Like people have said Poyet probably said no to a few offers so rd has offered him the chance to go standard instead of losing him altogether that's if it's even true, after all the rumour started on Facebook from a 14 year old no one knows what Poyet is gonna say I personally don't believe it for one second.
Rumour is completely made up to wind us all up. Bloke posted in Facebook that he met Diego at a party in Saturday and received the story and then went on to say he has a signed kit to prove it. Why would Diego give that information to a complete stranger? Why would the bloke be carrying around a Diego jersey to a party? His picture of the jersey could have been signed at any time. Another " in the know conversation " made up so some anorak can flex his Facebook muscles
Hi sorry have i missed something, where did this come from or is this speculation from someone?
If true i am not surprised Poyet wanted to go. If not true i am also not surprised Poyet wanted to go because people see the big lights of the premier league and get excited. Still gutted he doesn't want to stay with us and feel very let down, but not surprised.
I remember when RD sacked Powell and there was a lot of anger towarss RD someone wrote to Poyet on twitter saying if you leave at the end of the season please don't sign for Standard Liege and he wrote back saying he won't.
Poyet, and any of the other young lads, should do what's best for them, I have no problem with them moving on or somebody else making them a better offer but there are always two things to remember by everybody ..1. Regular first team football for less money for a short time is better and more lucrative in the long term than no first team football for more money for an equally short time); and 2. what goes around, comes around...
I struggle to accept this as he reason he went, but purely from an objective point of view:
If we weren't owned by the same bloke and SL came in with 5m+ for Poyet, a figure we'd likely accept, would he have looked at it as a chance to get champs league experience? I think it's possible.
Without knowing the other clubs in for him, it is quite difficult to speculate. The Belgian league may not be much but SL are undoubtably a step up in stature - is it that hard to believe he'd have a season or so there, raise his value then be sold to a giant? Plenty suggest this is the 'RD way' after all. So why would this stop him from signing? Big corporations recruit all the time based on there being more routes to the top.
Either that, or move on as some continually, and sensibly suggest. The days of sentiment in football have gone and will not return - as much as we tap our keyboards!
Why do we all assume 'The Truth' refers to some sort of connection with S.L. Could be length of contract or pay. Maybe problems with the previous owners and his family. Having said that - offering him champion league football to keep him in the network seems likely.
Poyet is free to say what he wants, he's no longer under contract at all. Why not come out publically with it rather than telling some guy at a party? He has nothing to lose from it and would gain back the respect from a huge number of Charlton fans.
Have a feeling this is made up to offer ammunition to a particular agenda, would be willing to be proven otherwise.
Move on forget about Poyet, concentrate on those players that are at our club and joining our club - I'm feeling more positive now signings are being made, we've got some good times ahead. Hoping for a flirt with the playoffs but realistically mid table would be good progress. COYA
I don't imagine any player is being forced to move to Liege. We know from Standard players that it is an option available to them and they are entitled to turn it down. It wouldn't surprise me however, if RD is inserting a clause in a contracts around network moves. I highly doubt he would have loaned Poyet, an important first team player for Charlton, to Standard Liege, unless the new manager didn't rate him, which, again, is unlikely. It smacks of Poyet trying to claw back some dignity. If it's true, then Poyet turned down Champion's League football to go and sit in a reserve team somewhere else for a few years.
He played 20 odd games, did well passing the ball sideways .... got voted POTY (!!!!), realised that he could get a good signing on fee, weekly wage signing for another team. As indicated he was never going to sign for us.
He played 20 odd games, did well passing the ball sideways .... got voted POTY (!!!!), realised that he could get a good signing on fee, weekly wage signing for another team. As indicated he was never going to sign for us.
Our fault, as I thought. We should have slated him, then he wouldn't have thought he could do better.
It wouldn't surprise me however, if RD is inserting a clause in a contracts around network moves.
The contractual right for the home club to loan a player to another club is pretty much standard in Academy contracts. I have never, however, seen any such clause in a professional contract and I would not imagine any player (or his legal adviser) agreeing to such a clause. That doesn't mean that players cannot be loaned to other clubs (clearly they often are) but it would always be my mutual agreement on a case by case basis and never a contractual right.
I don't buy this. He is not the first of our promising youngplayers not to stay at Charlton. Sadly, we are not a premiership club and players will be lured, just like Scott Parker, Carl Jenkinson, Jon Jo Shelvey were, by clubs that offer a higher standard of play, facilities and training and above all a significant salary hike which would compromiose our financial fair play status.
And it's a big IF at this stage, that there is truth in the rumour that the Network wanted him to sign a contract and the ship him off to Liege...
What would your thoughts be about that ?
If our POTY was transferred to Liege, then we truly would be a feeder club. So, let's assume it wasn't true!
But if Poyet had indicated he didn't want to play for Charlton and Champions League football was what he wanted, loaning him to Liege while signing a new contract with Charlton would mean that we still got a transfer fee for him next summer. Either way the player wouldn't have played for Charlton. IF that was the offer made then RD was doing his best to secure a return for us.
Can't see how any negative spin can be put on it in terms of what RD would have been trying to achieve. I doubt he was happy seeing him walk for nothing, so I don't believe he would have offered 'its Liege or no contract at all'
Surprised at people's attitude to the original question.
Poyet is alleged to have stated that he is interested in moving abroad. I do not believe this for one minute, I have believed since February that he is off to Chelsea. But never mind. RD would want to keep him , of course he would. So RD would have wanted to say, OK Diego, what do you want from your career at this stage? Now if the 'abroad thing" came up then it would be perfectly reasonable for RD to say something like the following:
"Look Diego, I don't know if you believe AC Milan or someone like that are going to sign you, but if they are, you won't get any more game time than at Chelsea, and the Charlton fans will still believeyou just went for the money rather than to seriously develop. Now, if you sign a new contract you can spend next season at Standard, and there you will get serious UCL and Europa League game time, immediately. That;s because Standard have to play qualifying rounds, and that is a big strain on the squad. After that season you will be worth at least £5m, and you can then decide if you want to stay with Standard or return to Charlton. But at least the Charlton fans will see that you went for a win-win option, because we will have received a transfer fee which reflects the years of development"
Now if that was the way the conversation went, then I would be 100% behind RD. It's exactly how international businesses develop people's careers while getting the maximum return on their training and development.
Surprised at people's attitude to the original question.
Poyet is alleged to have stated that he is interested in moving abroad. I do not believe this for one minute, I have believed since February that he is off to Chelsea. But never mind. RD would want to keep him , of course he would. So RD would have wanted to say, OK Diego, what do you want from your career at this stage? Now if the 'abroad thing" came up then it would be perfectly reasonable for RD to say something like the following:
"Look Diego, I don't know if you believe AC Milan or someone like that are going to sign you, but if they are, you won't get any more game time than at Chelsea, and the Charlton fans will still believeyou just went for the money rather than to seriously develop. Now, if you sign a new contract you can spend next season at Standard, and there you will get serious UCL and Europa League game time, immediately. That;s because Standard have to play qualifying rounds, and that is a big strain on the squad. After that season you will be worth at least £5m, and you can then decide if you want to stay with Standard or return to Charlton. But at least the Charlton fans will see that you went for a win-win option, because we will have received a transfer fee which reflects the years of development"
Now if that was the way the conversation went, then I would be 100% behind RD. It's exactly how international businesses develop people's careers while getting the maximum return on their training and development.
Yep, although quite a few (including myself) are critical/sceptical of RD's personal man management skills and his apparent lack of emotional empathy, he's not an idiot at all. Offering a 'Liege or nothing' deal would be counter-intuitive and frankly pretty foolish. Now I can see RD or his reps offering Liege and European football as an attempted sweetener and Diego being young and headstrong THINKING it was an attempt to pack him off against his will... but the fault there would still not be RD's.
If Poyet has signed a contract with us, CAFC, RD could not have sent him on loan without DP agreeing to it.
The power is in RD's hands, look what he done to our previous two management set ups.. Poyet didn't take a liking to the new set up early on, I remember him tweeting there was no way he'd go to another team in the network.
I think the bottom line is that if Poyet had wanted to be playing for us next season, he would be playing for us next season. RD may be many things, but he isn't an idiot; as others have said, there's no way he would have made a 'Standard Liege or bye-bye' offer. Money (and daddy) talks unfortunately.
And it's a big IF at this stage, that there is truth in the rumour that the Network wanted him to sign a contract and the ship him off to Liege...
What would your thoughts be about that ?
If our POTY was transferred to Liege, then we truly would be a feeder club. So, let's assume it wasn't true!
But if Poyet had indicated he didn't want to play for Charlton and Champions League football was what he wanted, loaning him to Liege while signing a new contract with Charlton would mean that we still got a transfer fee for him next summer. Either way the player wouldn't have played for Charlton. IF that was the offer made then RD was doing his best to secure a return for us.
Can't see how any negative spin can be put on it in terms of what RD would have been trying to achieve. I doubt he was happy seeing him walk for nothing, so I don't believe he would have offered 'its Liege or no contract at all'
AFKA didn't mention anything about being loaned to Liege or, for that matter, being loaned back to us. Agree, if your scenario had of worked out it would have represented good business. However, the inevitable 'feeder' club tag that would have ensued, should Poyet had gone to Liege this summer, would have been very hard to swallow and would have been equally unwanted as the 'homeless' club one we wore for so many years!
Anyway, seems little point in arguing about something that didn't happen and might not have ever even been an option that was explored!
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If true i am not surprised Poyet wanted to go. If not true i am also not surprised Poyet wanted to go because people see the big lights of the premier league and get excited. Still gutted he doesn't want to stay with us and feel very let down, but not surprised.
So I blame that guy.
Btw, Yann897, in case you didn't realise, you are logged into your 'other' account...
If we weren't owned by the same bloke and SL came in with 5m+ for Poyet, a figure we'd likely accept, would he have looked at it as a chance to get champs league experience? I think it's possible.
Without knowing the other clubs in for him, it is quite difficult to speculate. The Belgian league may not be much but SL are undoubtably a step up in stature - is it that hard to believe he'd have a season or so there, raise his value then be sold to a giant? Plenty suggest this is the 'RD way' after all. So why would this stop him from signing? Big corporations recruit all the time based on there being more routes to the top.
Either that, or move on as some continually, and sensibly suggest. The days of sentiment in football have gone and will not return - as much as we tap our keyboards!
Poyet is free to say what he wants, he's no longer under contract at all. Why not come out publically with it rather than telling some guy at a party? He has nothing to lose from it and would gain back the respect from a huge number of Charlton fans.
Have a feeling this is made up to offer ammunition to a particular agenda, would be willing to be proven otherwise.
He wanted to go, he has gone. He could have easily signed a contract with us if he gave a hoot about the club, he didn't. Cheers Diego.
P.s. Your hair and bumfluff beard are crap.
#notbitter
Either way the player wouldn't have played for Charlton.
IF that was the offer made then RD was doing his best to secure a return for us.
Can't see how any negative spin can be put on it in terms of what RD would have been trying to achieve.
I doubt he was happy seeing him walk for nothing, so I don't believe he would have offered 'its Liege or no contract at all'
Poyet is alleged to have stated that he is interested in moving abroad. I do not believe this for one minute, I have believed since February that he is off to Chelsea. But never mind. RD would want to keep him , of course he would. So RD would have wanted to say, OK Diego, what do you want from your career at this stage? Now if the 'abroad thing" came up then it would be perfectly reasonable for RD to say something like the following:
"Look Diego, I don't know if you believe AC Milan or someone like that are going to sign you, but if they are, you won't get any more game time than at Chelsea, and the Charlton fans will still believeyou just went for the money rather than to seriously develop. Now, if you sign a new contract you can spend next season at Standard, and there you will get serious UCL and Europa League game time, immediately. That;s because Standard have to play qualifying rounds, and that is a big strain on the squad. After that season you will be worth at least £5m, and you can then decide if you want to stay with Standard or return to Charlton. But at least the Charlton fans will see that you went for a win-win option, because we will have received a transfer fee which reflects the years of development"
Now if that was the way the conversation went, then I would be 100% behind RD. It's exactly how international businesses develop people's careers while getting the maximum return on their training and development.
Anyway, seems little point in arguing about something that didn't happen and might not have ever even been an option that was explored!