The bottom line is that we should not have sold Yann unless we had a nailed on replacement ready to take his place, like Becchio or someone else of that proven Championship quality.
RD gambled that Reza and others could fill the gap left by Yann and they have utterly failed to do so as our appalling goal scoring record shows.
If no replacement was available then we should have played hardball with Yann and refused to sell him and let him go on a free in the summer.
A total clusterfuck and the truth is that if we do stay up that it will owe a lot more to the very poor teams around us - take a bow Blackpool - than our own performances and quality.
I agree that a replacement should have been found. The issue appears to be around playing hardball with Kermorgant... it appears that Kermorgant was prepared to feign injury to avoid more appearances and the extension clause kicking in. So he was simply going to sit at Sparrows lane picking up the cash.
And we are indeed fortunate that we are not facing the table from this time last year where teams went down on 51 points.
It appears that Kermorgant (and Fuller) command £6-700K pa as injury prone 30 something strikers who can put the ball away. I hope that Duchatelet has a solution over the summer to sign some serious strikers as the rest of the squad look OK.
The bottom line is that we should not have sold Yann unless we had a nailed on replacement ready to take his place, like Becchio or someone else of that proven Championship quality.
RD gambled that Reza and others could fill the gap left by Yann and they have utterly failed to do so as our appalling goal scoring record shows.
If no replacement was available then we should have played hardball with Yann and refused to sell him and let him go on a free in the summer.
A total clusterfuck and the truth is that if we do stay up that it will owe a lot more to the very poor teams around us - take a bow Blackpool - than our own performances and quality.
I agree that a replacement should have been found. The issue appears to be around playing hardball with Kermorgant... it appears that Kermorgant was prepared to feign injury to avoid more appearances and the extension clause kicking in. So he was simply going to sit at Sparrows lane picking up the cash.
And we are indeed fortunate that we are not facing the table from this time last year where teams went down on 51 points.
It appears that Kermorgant (and Fuller) command £6-700K pa as injury prone 30 something strikers who can put the ball away. I hope that Duchatelet has a solution over the summer to sign some serious strikers as the rest of the squad look OK.
Absolute conjecture. Weird how this line is peddled as the truth. His departure was a total error of judgement, and bearing in mind the 'replacements' too, it becomes a farce.
How the board handled it was insulting to a player who had given so much to the club and wanted to continue doing so, insulting to the fans who had such a connection with him, and insulting to the playing/management staff who've been left so embarrassingly short in that department.
The bottom line is that we should not have sold Yann unless we had a nailed on replacement ready to take his place, like Becchio or someone else of that proven Championship quality.
RD gambled that Reza and others could fill the gap left by Yann and they have utterly failed to do so as our appalling goal scoring record shows.
If no replacement was available then we should have played hardball with Yann and refused to sell him and let him go on a free in the summer.
A total clusterfuck and the truth is that if we do stay up that it will owe a lot more to the very poor teams around us - take a bow Blackpool - than our own performances and quality.
I agree that a replacement should have been found. The issue appears to be around playing hardball with Kermorgant... it appears that Kermorgant was prepared to feign injury to avoid more appearances and the extension clause kicking in. So he was simply going to sit at Sparrows lane picking up the cash.
And we are indeed fortunate that we are not facing the table from this time last year where teams went down on 51 points.
It appears that Kermorgant (and Fuller) command £6-700K pa as injury prone 30 something strikers who can put the ball away. I hope that Duchatelet has a solution over the summer to sign some serious strikers as the rest of the squad look OK.
Oh really? To whom exactly did this "appear"?
NLA has repeatedly asserted this on here... I have a different source which corroborates this and convinces me that Kermorgant was heading to Bournemouth. It is unfortunate that some cheer on ex players, call Duchatelet names and of course put money on Charlton getting relegated!
For me many things in life are about loyalty not short term gain and positioning.
The bottom line is that we should not have sold Yann unless we had a nailed on replacement ready to take his place, like Becchio or someone else of that proven Championship quality.
RD gambled that Reza and others could fill the gap left by Yann and they have utterly failed to do so as our appalling goal scoring record shows.
If no replacement was available then we should have played hardball with Yann and refused to sell him and let him go on a free in the summer.
A total clusterfuck and the truth is that if we do stay up that it will owe a lot more to the very poor teams around us - take a bow Blackpool - than our own performances and quality.
I agree that a replacement should have been found. The issue appears to be around playing hardball with Kermorgant... it appears that Kermorgant was prepared to feign injury to avoid more appearances and the extension clause kicking in. So he was simply going to sit at Sparrows lane picking up the cash.
And we are indeed fortunate that we are not facing the table from this time last year where teams went down on 51 points.
It appears that Kermorgant (and Fuller) command £6-700K pa as injury prone 30 something strikers who can put the ball away. I hope that Duchatelet has a solution over the summer to sign some serious strikers as the rest of the squad look OK.
Absolute conjecture. Weird how this line is peddled as the truth. His departure was a total error of judgement, and bearing in mind the 'replacements' too, it becomes a farce.
How the board handled it was insulting to a player who had given so much to the club and wanted to continue doing so, insulting to the fans who had such a connection with him, and insulting to the playing/management staff who've been left so embarrassingly short in that department.
I would suggest that the club needs to be very clear going forwards on its policies about acquiring and retaining talent and what is the ambition - if the answer is none or insincere then the club will slowly die for we are at a crossroads where only top 30 clubs matter. As the club gained from Yann's performances over the last three years so did he and that is as it should be...a win:win between players and club (&fans). I firmly believe that the current owners are better suited to deliver than any previous owners / management since 2006 and that is eight years! I would have kept him but it is important for the club to build a sustainable future. Could say more but it's late!
It's very hard to get over it when we're inept in front of goal while he keeps scoring for another team. Unless we find a real replacement in the summer (about which I have some serious doubts), it will always come back to haunt us.
I have this photo in the slideshow screensaver on my office computer. Don't know if and when I'll take it down. I listened to the Brighton game on Boxing Day and looking back it's one of my best memories about this season. I wonder if we'll ever score a free kick goal again. No disrespect but even a dozen of Reza's, Obika's or Polish Pete's can't compare with a single Yann Kermorgant. Shame the owner had a different opinion.
I'm still obsessed with him and Chris Powell because I still believe Powell would have got us out of it and Yann is a bit better than Reza
On the basis that we probably make at least £1 a programme I would rather we lumped that £15k on Yanns signing on fee to get the deal done rather than piss the money away on pointless gimmicks
Prague yann was not prepared to stay here for less than what Bournemouth offered
Because he left when we offered less
Where in the league were we when yann left
No one can say that we would be better off with him here as yann every season here had at least 2 good lengths of injury
We have scored 7 goals less as a team than when he was here I think someone posted above
I said when he left yann a scorer of great goals not a great goal scorer
Prague you know I am right about yann refusing to play at hudds
There are other posters here one who has good links to the coaching staff especially when powelly was here and a very staunch and rightly so Powell fan
Who knows it happened also
I won't call him out by name but he and I spoke about it in pm
Also a person close to a true charlton legend and the ground staff knows it happened
So come on let's not be naive enough to think that this is a non starter or hear say
You know who the first person was to say it and in what context
I then got it verified by someone who would know and the effect it had on certain people
And this person I trust implicitly as they have no reason to lie no agenda
It's very hard to get over it when we're inept in front of goal while he keeps scoring for another team. Unless we find a real replacement in the summer (about which I have some serious doubts), it will always come back to haunt us.
I have this photo in the slideshow screensaver on my office computer. Don't know if and when I'll take it down. I listened to the Brighton game on Boxing Day and looking back it's one of my best memories about this season. I wonder if we'll ever score a free kick goal again. No disrespect but even a dozen of Reza's, Obika's or Polish Pete's can't compare with a single Yann Kermorgant. Shame the owner had a different opinion.
The bloke celebrating with him has been a big loss as well.
It's very hard to get over it when we're inept in front of goal while he keeps scoring for another team. Unless we find a real replacement in the summer (about which I have some serious doubts), it will always come back to haunt us.
I have this photo in the slideshow screensaver on my office computer. Don't know if and when I'll take it down. I listened to the Brighton game on Boxing Day and looking back it's one of my best memories about this season. I wonder if we'll ever score a free kick goal again. No disrespect but even a dozen of Reza's, Obika's or Polish Pete's can't compare with a single Yann Kermorgant. Shame the owner had a different opinion.
The bloke celebrating with him has been a big loss as well.
Yes I miss them both. They were my favourite players. I didn't mention Stephens only because we discovered our best youngster in a long time in Diego Poyet, after Stephens left, which has been a huge consolation. That said, Stephens' goals are sorely missed.
Prague yann was not prepared to stay here for less than what Bournemouth offered
Because he left when we offered less
Where in the league were we when yann left
No one can say that we would be better off with him here as yann every season here had at least 2 good lengths of injury
We have scored 7 goals less as a team than when he was here I think someone posted above
I said when he left yann a scorer of great goals not a great goal scorer
Prague you know I am right about yann refusing to play at hudds
There are other posters here one who has good links to the coaching staff especially when powelly was here and a very staunch and rightly so Powell fan
Who knows it happened also
I won't call him out by name but he and I spoke about it in pm
Also a person close to a true charlton legend and the ground staff knows it happened
So come on let's not be naive enough to think that this is a non starter or hear say
You know who the first person was to say it and in what context
I then got it verified by someone who would know and the effect it had on certain people
And this person I trust implicitly as they have no reason to lie no agenda
Mate. Who really cares if he was after a bit more dough. We're owned by one off belgiums richest people. This was probably pocket money. I understand the sustainability bit, but we were and still very much are at code red. It's not just about the goals either. The man is a huge presence and will always give a back line something to think about as opposed to thinking that they are on their jollies when they see cafc on the fixture list ,as they do now.
Prague yann was not prepared to stay here for less than what Bournemouth offered
Because he left when we offered less
Where in the league were we when yann left
No one can say that we would be better off with him here as yann every season here had at least 2 good lengths of injury
We have scored 7 goals less as a team than when he was here I think someone posted above
I said when he left yann a scorer of great goals not a great goal scorer
Prague you know I am right about yann refusing to play at hudds
There are other posters here one who has good links to the coaching staff especially when powelly was here and a very staunch and rightly so Powell fan
Who knows it happened also
I won't call him out by name but he and I spoke about it in pm
Also a person close to a true charlton legend and the ground staff knows it happened
So come on let's not be naive enough to think that this is a non starter or hear say
You know who the first person was to say it and in what context
I then got it verified by someone who would know and the effect it had on certain people
And this person I trust implicitly as they have no reason to lie no agenda
What gets me is Yann was happy to sign his original contract with a one year extension clause on the same money which triggered after a certain amount of games. In January RD comes in and all of a sudden that extension clause doesn't want to be triggered by Yann as he wants a better deal. He gets offered a 2yr deal at AFCB on £15,000 (prem money). He would of stayed for less ? Really ? He was offered a two yr deal on less but would of still been our top earner. Just bought a house in Greenwich, family settled but he left. A serious question to you all. If u just bought a football club languishing in the relegation places and a week later your striker comes in asking for a new better deal, then drops out of a game allegedly through injury so not to trigger his extension then gets offered £15,000 a week elsewhere, then asks you to get somewhere near it. What would you do ?
It's a simple matter of Kermo doing what was best for him and his family , if it meant dropping his shoulder , feigning injury , not wishing to trigger a clause that would affect a bigger contract elsewhere then so be it
I don't give a fig that he done whatever he did to get the best deal possible for himself , what I do give a fig about is that we didn't get amongst it and meet his demands because he would have scored and provided more goals than Polish frigging Pete , Reza, Obika , Church , Piggott and any other fucktard forward we've got on our books and add up what it costs for them lot and over the two seasons of his contract and I know where the right value for money is He's already played/scored/assisted and affected enough games at Bournemouth to have proved that fitness wise he'd have done ok for us this season
Goals are what this team are missing and someone for the ball to stick with , Kermo provided us with a massive outlet And would have been a better gamble than the upwards of £700k we paid for Polish Pete Kermo would have signed for us if we'd pushed the boat out , we minged about it and spent the dough elsewhere Still we bid £1m for Max Gradel and didn't get him so a bit of that dough on Kermos contract would surely have made sense
RD or whoever it is making the big footballing decisions has made a few balls ups and all the best intentions in the world are no good without the footballing acumen to implement them
I'd do some proper research about said player and listen to views of management and fans. I'd then sit down with and listen to the player. On hearing (and perhaps seeing on videos) what he had to offer, I would seriously consider offering £3-4k per week more over two years - a total cost of c £400k for a talismanic centre forward....
Yann screwed up too, but it is very difficult when you love your job but feel undervalued by your employer - can understand how this leads to rash decisions.
I would feel less sore about the whole thing if it was clear that proper negotiations took place - from what I have heard, they never did - RD simply thought 32 year old, had a few injuries, no investment value, get rid.
Not forgetting the presence of Kermo defensively who for us made so many defensive clearances aerially and would drop in to midfield to help hem out in battles
Answering NWCorners question I'd have pulled him in with my footballing advisers and manager and sorted things out , rather than asking my gopher to be the inbetween of it all
It's very hard to get over it when we're inept in front of goal while he keeps scoring for another team. Unless we find a real replacement in the summer (about which I have some serious doubts), it will always come back to haunt us.
I have this photo in the slideshow screensaver on my office computer. Don't know if and when I'll take it down. I listened to the Brighton game on Boxing Day and looking back it's one of my best memories about this season. I wonder if we'll ever score a free kick goal again. No disrespect but even a dozen of Reza's, Obika's or Polish Pete's can't compare with a single Yann Kermorgant. Shame the owner had a different opinion.
The bloke celebrating with him has been a big loss as well.
Yes I miss them both. They were my favourite players. I didn't mention Stephens only because we discovered our best youngster in a long time in Diego Poyet, after Stephens left, which has been a huge consolation. That said, Stephens' goals are sorely missed.
And his creativity and attack minded play. As good as Poyet is he's not quite doing that enough yet.
Aren't we all actually all in agreement and simply following the Charlton tradition of finding a squabble even in agreement.
Is there anyone who does not believe that we would be better off if RD had either kept kermogant or if we felt his requirements were not acceptable for whatever reason a qualify replacement should have been brought in?
We all agree RD cocked up and whoever it is, we should have a decent striker and we haven't.
Prague yann was not prepared to stay here for less than what Bournemouth offered
Because he left when we offered less
Where in the league were we when yann left
No one can say that we would be better off with him here as yann every season here had at least 2 good lengths of injury
We have scored 7 goals less as a team than when he was here I think someone posted above
I said when he left yann a scorer of great goals not a great goal scorer
Prague you know I am right about yann refusing to play at hudds
There are other posters here one who has good links to the coaching staff especially when powelly was here and a very staunch and rightly so Powell fan
Who knows it happened also
I won't call him out by name but he and I spoke about it in pm
Also a person close to a true charlton legend and the ground staff knows it happened
So come on let's not be naive enough to think that this is a non starter or hear say
You know who the first person was to say it and in what context
I then got it verified by someone who would know and the effect it had on certain people
And this person I trust implicitly as they have no reason to lie no agenda
A serious question to you all. If u just bought a football club languishing in the relegation places and a week later your striker comes in asking for a new better deal, then drops out of a game allegedly through injury so not to trigger his extension then gets offered £15,000 a week elsewhere, then asks you to get somewhere near it. What would you do ?
If I bought a languishing football club the week before the transfer window opened, the first thing I would do is check on how secure my prize assets are. When I would be told that nearly all of them are out of contract in the summer, I would pause for a minute to wonder at the incompetence of the people I have bought from; and then i would immediately call in the manager and other senior playing side management and establish who the priorities are to keep , in order to meet the most important goal - avoiding relegation. I would also make sure I had a table of benchmark salaries for each playing position in this league, so that I can see who is most vulnerable to an offer. Just like I would do if I was running any other business in a competitive market.
Only once I have secured the key assets would I start to discuss with existing management whether my exciting new strategy of reinforcing the squad through my 'network' could be used to help the club out of its extremely dangerous situation.
In other words, sort YK out before he even has the chance to feel more insecure or his agent starts to wind him up.
Prague yann was not prepared to stay here for less than what Bournemouth offered
Because he left when we offered less
Where in the league were we when yann left
No one can say that we would be better off with him here as yann every season here had at least 2 good lengths of injury
We have scored 7 goals less as a team than when he was here I think someone posted above
I said when he left yann a scorer of great goals not a great goal scorer
Prague you know I am right about yann refusing to play at hudds
There are other posters here one who has good links to the coaching staff especially when powelly was here and a very staunch and rightly so Powell fan
Who knows it happened also
I won't call him out by name but he and I spoke about it in pm
Also a person close to a true charlton legend and the ground staff knows it happened
So come on let's not be naive enough to think that this is a non starter or hear say
You know who the first person was to say it and in what context
I then got it verified by someone who would know and the effect it had on certain people
And this person I trust implicitly as they have no reason to lie no agenda
A serious question to you all. If u just bought a football club languishing in the relegation places and a week later your striker comes in asking for a new better deal, then drops out of a game allegedly through injury so not to trigger his extension then gets offered £15,000 a week elsewhere, then asks you to get somewhere near it. What would you do ?
If I bought a languishing football club the week before the transfer window opened, the first thing I would do is check on how secure my prize assets are. When I would be told that nearly all of them are out of contract in the summer, I would pause for a minute to sonde at the incompetence of the people I have bought from; and then i would immediately call in the manager and other senior playing side management and establish who the priorities are to keep , in order to meet the most important goal - avoiding relegation. I would also make sure I had a table of benchmark salaries for each playing position in this league, so that I can see who is most vulnerable to an offer. Just like I would do if I was running any other business in a competitive market.
Only once I have secured the key assets would I start to discuss with existing management whether my exciting new strategy of reinforcing the squad through my 'network' could be used to help the club out of its extremely dangerous situation.
In other words, sort YK out before he even has the chance to feel more insecure or his agent starts to wind him up.
Prague yann was not prepared to stay here for less than what Bournemouth offered
Because he left when we offered less
Where in the league were we when yann left
No one can say that we would be better off with him here as yann every season here had at least 2 good lengths of injury
We have scored 7 goals less as a team than when he was here I think someone posted above
I said when he left yann a scorer of great goals not a great goal scorer
Prague you know I am right about yann refusing to play at hudds
There are other posters here one who has good links to the coaching staff especially when powelly was here and a very staunch and rightly so Powell fan
Who knows it happened also
I won't call him out by name but he and I spoke about it in pm
Also a person close to a true charlton legend and the ground staff knows it happened
So come on let's not be naive enough to think that this is a non starter or hear say
You know who the first person was to say it and in what context
I then got it verified by someone who would know and the effect it had on certain people
And this person I trust implicitly as they have no reason to lie no agenda
Mate. Who really cares if he was after a bit more dough. We're owned by one off belgiums richest people. This was probably pocket money. I understand the sustainability bit, but we were and still very much are at code red. It's not just about the goals either. The man is a huge presence and will always give a back line something to think about as opposed to thinking that they are on their jollies when they see cafc on the fixture list ,as they do now.
This, all bloody day long. One like is not enough.
Can we also remember that we are talking about footballers here. Yann's obviously better educated than most of them, but still, he is expected to discuss all these things in a second language. How many of you could work in France, and carefully and diplomatically negotiate a wage increase in French?
Not forgetting the presence of Kermo defensively who for us made so many defensive clearances aerially and would drop in to midfield to help hem out in battles
Answering NWCorners question I'd have pulled him in with my footballing advisers and manager and sorted things out , rather than asking my gopher to be the inbetween of it all
But they did get him in on the Thursday, after he had spoke to AFCB, after the twitter storm and it wasn't KM doin the dealing it was Martin Protheroe. Yann was asked what he wanted, more money ? Player/Manager assurances ? Security for your family ? Yanns answer was security. MP offered him a 2yr deal from this Summer on decent money, not Bournemouth money. Yann threw his arms in the air and walked out. The rest is history. I thought he was a great player ! Rightly or wrongly he has gone ! Have we replaced him ? No Were we pulling up trees with him in the side ? Not really Would he of kept us up ? Who knows. He might of got injured next game ! Mistakes have been made but hopefully the club/owners will learn from it, learn how tough our leagues are, we can stay up and then build from there.
You know who the first person was to say it and in what context
Well my friend you at least have indicated sources, my respect to you for that, as so often.
However, this person you refer to. Indeed, he told me that, in a phone call.
Now the thing is, I am frequently called out for believing him too readily. Airman, AFKA, even you, I am sure I would find such remarks from you. Mouthpiece, somebody called me.
Well it doesn't matter who the person is, I always try to weigh up what they say, put it in context, ask myself how close they are to what we are discussing. On this occasion I decided I didn't fully believe what he was saying. My reasoning was that firstly he himself wasn't in the key role re players that he used to be. Secondly, he wasn't sure what his own role was under RD, but was trying very hard to show RD that he could help keep the fans 'onside', as he used to do so well. I just felt he was over-stating something. Hardly a crime, people in business often overstate an individual issue in order to win an overall argument.
So when I'm over next week I will try to meet him personally, look him in the eye and ask him to tell me exactly what happened. If that's possible, and he convinces me, I will come back here and apologise to you.
So simply put we didn't match Bournemouths offer and spent/didn't spend the money elsewhere
Part time Protheroe was the gopher and whoever the footballing advisers are no fuck all about value or Championship football when they do €2m on Thuram and £700k+ on polish Pete and won't push the boat out for Yann , clueless
So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants? Thankfully none if you run our football club!
I'd do some proper research about said player and listen to views of management and fans. I'd then sit down with and listen to the player. On hearing (and perhaps seeing on videos) what he had to offer, I would seriously consider offering £3-4k per week more over two years - a total cost of c £400k for a talismanic centre forward....
Yann screwed up too, but it is very difficult when you love your job but feel undervalued by your employer - can understand how this leads to rash decisions.
I would feel less sore about the whole thing if it was clear that proper negotiations took place - from what I have heard, they never did - RD simply thought 32 year old, had a few injuries, no investment value, get rid.
So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants? Thankfully none if you run our football club!
The point is that we don't believe it. We think it's an urban myth. A lot of people say a lot of things when it comes to money and work, and most of it is hot air. Good management is all about working out the real threat from within all the hot air.
@kap10, I think there are a number of people on here who are defending RD's decision.
Reading through the thread I don't think anyone is defending the decision in total, ie arguing that kermogant should be sold and not be replaced.
Because these discussions become confrontational as they go along different posters get entrenched in parts of their argument, but if you go through the initial postings most posters are saying If not kermogant someone else should have been brought in.
I don't have a problem with RD's decision of selling Kermogant but the overall decision was blatantly wrong.
So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants? Thankfully none if you run our football club!
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How the board handled it was insulting to a player who had given so much to the club and wanted to continue doing so, insulting to the fans who had such a connection with him, and insulting to the playing/management staff who've been left so embarrassingly short in that department.
I have a different source which corroborates this and convinces me that Kermorgant was heading to Bournemouth.
It is unfortunate that some cheer on ex players, call Duchatelet names and of course put money on Charlton getting relegated!
For me many things in life are about loyalty not short term gain and positioning.
As the club gained from Yann's performances over the last three years so did he and that is as it should be...a win:win between players and club (&fans). I firmly believe that the current owners are better suited to deliver than any previous owners / management since 2006 and that is eight years!
I would have kept him but it is important for the club to build a sustainable future. Could say more but it's late!
I have this photo in the slideshow screensaver on my office computer. Don't know if and when I'll take it down. I listened to the Brighton game on Boxing Day and looking back it's one of my best memories about this season. I wonder if we'll ever score a free kick goal again. No disrespect but even a dozen of Reza's, Obika's or Polish Pete's can't compare with a single Yann Kermorgant. Shame the owner had a different opinion.
On the basis that we probably make at least £1 a programme I would rather we lumped that £15k on Yanns signing on fee to get the deal done rather than piss the money away on pointless gimmicks
Because he left when we offered less
Where in the league were we when yann left
No one can say that we would be better off with him here as yann every season here had at least 2 good lengths of injury
We have scored 7 goals less as a team than when he was here I think someone posted above
I said when he left yann a scorer of great goals not a great goal scorer
Prague you know I am right about yann refusing to play at hudds
There are other posters here one who has good links to the coaching staff especially when powelly was here and a very staunch and rightly so Powell fan
Who knows it happened also
I won't call him out by name but he and I spoke about it in pm
Also a person close to a true charlton legend and the ground staff knows it happened
So come on let's not be naive enough to think that this is a non starter or hear say
You know who the first person was to say it and in what context
I then got it verified by someone who would know and the effect it had on certain people
And this person I trust implicitly as they have no reason to lie no agenda
It's not just about the goals either. The man is a huge presence and will always give a back line something to think about as opposed to thinking that they are on their jollies when they see cafc on the fixture list ,as they do now.
He would of stayed for less ? Really ?
He was offered a two yr deal on less but would of still been our top earner. Just bought a house in Greenwich, family settled but he left.
A serious question to you all.
If u just bought a football club languishing in the relegation places and a week later your striker comes in asking for a new better deal, then drops out of a game allegedly through injury so not to trigger his extension then gets offered £15,000 a week elsewhere, then asks you to get somewhere near it. What would you do ?
I don't give a fig that he done whatever he did to get the best deal possible for himself , what I do give a fig about is that we didn't get amongst it and meet his demands because he would have scored and provided more goals than Polish frigging Pete , Reza, Obika , Church , Piggott and any other fucktard forward we've got on our books and add up what it costs for them lot and over the two seasons of his contract and I know where the right value for money is
He's already played/scored/assisted and affected enough games at Bournemouth to have proved that fitness wise he'd have done ok for us this season
Goals are what this team are missing and someone for the ball to stick with , Kermo provided us with a massive outlet
And would have been a better gamble than the upwards of £700k we paid for Polish Pete
Kermo would have signed for us if we'd pushed the boat out , we minged about it and spent the dough elsewhere
Still we bid £1m for Max Gradel and didn't get him so a bit of that dough on Kermos contract would surely have made sense
RD or whoever it is making the big footballing decisions has made a few balls ups and all the best intentions in the world are no good without the footballing acumen to implement them
Yann screwed up too, but it is very difficult when you love your job but feel undervalued by your employer - can understand how this leads to rash decisions.
I would feel less sore about the whole thing if it was clear that proper negotiations took place - from what I have heard, they never did - RD simply thought 32 year old, had a few injuries, no investment value, get rid.
Answering NWCorners question I'd have pulled him in with my footballing advisers and manager and sorted things out , rather than asking my gopher to be the inbetween of it all
Is there anyone who does not believe that we would be better off if RD had either kept kermogant or if we felt his requirements were not acceptable for whatever reason a qualify replacement should have been brought in?
We all agree RD cocked up and whoever it is, we should have a decent striker and we haven't.
Only once I have secured the key assets would I start to discuss with existing management whether my exciting new strategy of reinforcing the squad through my 'network' could be used to help the club out of its extremely dangerous situation.
In other words, sort YK out before he even has the chance to feel more insecure or his agent starts to wind him up.
Can we also remember that we are talking about footballers here. Yann's obviously better educated than most of them, but still, he is expected to discuss all these things in a second language. How many of you could work in France, and carefully and diplomatically negotiate a wage increase in French?
Protheroe. Yann was asked what he wanted, more money ? Player/Manager assurances ? Security for your family ?
Yanns answer was security. MP offered him a 2yr deal from this Summer on decent money, not Bournemouth money. Yann threw his arms in the air and walked out. The rest is history.
I thought he was a great player !
Rightly or wrongly he has gone !
Have we replaced him ? No
Were we pulling up trees with him in the side ? Not really
Would he of kept us up ? Who knows. He might of got injured next game !
Mistakes have been made but hopefully the club/owners will learn from it, learn how tough our leagues are, we can stay up and then build from there.
However, this person you refer to. Indeed, he told me that, in a phone call.
Now the thing is, I am frequently called out for believing him too readily. Airman, AFKA, even you, I am sure I would find such remarks from you. Mouthpiece, somebody called me.
Well it doesn't matter who the person is, I always try to weigh up what they say, put it in context, ask myself how close they are to what we are discussing. On this occasion I decided I didn't fully believe what he was saying. My reasoning was that firstly he himself wasn't in the key role re players that he used to be. Secondly, he wasn't sure what his own role was under RD, but was trying very hard to show RD that he could help keep the fans 'onside', as he used to do so well. I just felt he was over-stating something. Hardly a crime, people in business often overstate an individual issue in order to win an overall argument.
So when I'm over next week I will try to meet him personally, look him in the eye and ask him to tell me exactly what happened. If that's possible, and he convinces me, I will come back here and apologise to you.
Part time Protheroe was the gopher and whoever the footballing advisers are no fuck all about value or Championship football when they do €2m on Thuram and £700k+ on polish Pete and won't push the boat out for Yann , clueless
Thankfully none if you run our football club!
Because these discussions become confrontational as they go along different posters get entrenched in parts of their argument, but if you go through the initial postings most posters are saying If not kermogant someone else should have been brought in.
I don't have a problem with RD's decision of selling Kermogant but the overall decision was blatantly wrong.