I hope this deal happens and I hope that in a few years we have the luxury to be able to chew the cudd over whether to stay at The Valley or move to a new state of the Art stadium.
'State of the Art'. My concern exactly.
Why?????
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
As I have written earlier on this thread (and referenced Brighton too), I can give you several 'good reasons'. No not the AMEX, but Colchester, The Toolbox, The Riverside, The Emirates, St Marys, and others. When you say 'state of the art' that is exactly it, the 'art'. Some kind of functional prefabricated soulless anonymous stadium would, for me, be awful. If on the other hand a true 'artist' of a football architect were involved, and could persuade us, then it may be another matter. I went to the AMEX last season, and was impressed by the proximity of Falmer, the seats, and the Vegetarian pie. I knew it was Brighton and Hove Albion because everything was blue, maybe if everything had been red I would have thought I was in Southampton.
And the Valley is different at every turn is it?!
Sorry there is no argument buried in your statement, just some vague dislike for modern stadiums. A matter of taste rather than logic.
Oh I would say that my dislike is more precise than vague.
I have contributed above on this thread, even cited Simon Inglis in order to inform the discussion. You may not be able to see an 'argument' 'buried' in my statement because I am not arguing against a stadium that isn't proposed, I will bide my time on that.
Yes indeed it is about taste, logic doesn't come into it. Being a Charlton Athletic supporter suits my taste, if it were logic then maybe I should choose Manchester United as so many others do as they're, errrm, logically the team to support. liking Charlton, liking the Valley is a matter of taste, very good taste actually.
Architectural artistic design is about the harmony of taste and functionality, and in our case the harmony has to take into account the sport, and our history. Any ground we play at has to be beautiful and tasteful for me, even if that isn't logical. It isn't logical that Arsenal painted that backdrop, it isn't logical that Kent replaced the Lime tree at Canterbury.
If you think my position doesn't hold water in some way because of the lack of logic, or numbers I disagree with you. To end with your first point, well actually The Valley is different at every turn, it is unmistakeably the Valley and all the better for that.
Pompous vacuous waffle
No need for that. You asked him for an explanation and he gave you one.
If you don't like it then fair enough, but lay off the insults.
I hope this deal happens and I hope that in a few years we have the luxury to be able to chew the cudd over whether to stay at The Valley or move to a new state of the Art stadium.
'State of the Art'. My concern exactly.
Why?????
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
As I have written earlier on this thread (and referenced Brighton too), I can give you several 'good reasons'. No not the AMEX, but Colchester, The Toolbox, The Riverside, The Emirates, St Marys, and others. When you say 'state of the art' that is exactly it, the 'art'. Some kind of functional prefabricated soulless anonymous stadium would, for me, be awful. If on the other hand a true 'artist' of a football architect were involved, and could persuade us, then it may be another matter. I went to the AMEX last season, and was impressed by the proximity of Falmer, the seats, and the Vegetarian pie. I knew it was Brighton and Hove Albion because everything was blue, maybe if everything had been red I would have thought I was in Southampton.
And the Valley is different at every turn is it?!
Sorry there is no argument buried in your statement, just some vague dislike for modern stadiums. A matter of taste rather than logic.
Oh I would say that my dislike is more precise than vague.
I have contributed above on this thread, even cited Simon Inglis in order to inform the discussion. You may not be able to see an 'argument' 'buried' in my statement because I am not arguing against a stadium that isn't proposed, I will bide my time on that.
Yes indeed it is about taste, logic doesn't come into it. Being a Charlton Athletic supporter suits my taste, if it were logic then maybe I should choose Manchester United as so many others do as they're, errrm, logically the team to support. liking Charlton, liking the Valley is a matter of taste, very good taste actually.
Architectural artistic design is about the harmony of taste and functionality, and in our case the harmony has to take into account the sport, and our history. Any ground we play at has to be beautiful and tasteful for me, even if that isn't logical. It isn't logical that Arsenal painted that backdrop, it isn't logical that Kent replaced the Lime tree at Canterbury.
If you think my position doesn't hold water in some way because of the lack of logic, or numbers I disagree with you. To end with your first point, well actually The Valley is different at every turn, it is unmistakeably the Valley and all the better for that.
Pompous vacuous waffle
Would you care to explain why?
I have been detailed in my posts and you have dismissed them without engaging. Perhaps you can't sustain a discussion initiated by you when you used the phrase 'state of the art', and you resort to snide generalisation instead.
State of the art means the most advanced available.
Your initial post was patronising since you implied that only people who liked uniformity or were taken in by things shiny would like a new stadium. You set the snide tone, not me!
All you have said is that you don't like modern stadiums because you find them soulless. That is a matter of opinion.
I like modern stadiums and think atmosphere and soul are to do with the crowd and club , crucially the football being played.
Not agreeing with your opinion does not constitute failure to engage.
I think you'll find it was me who said that some people like new stadiums because of the uniformity and the fact that they're new, whilst constrasting that view with the fact that some people hate them for exactly that same reason.
Wish this would just get done and dusted, uncertainty about contracts etc cant be doing us any good , personally i think its an absolute fking shambles.
from reams on ITV : Hope so because I have had it confirmed this morning that there is a late problem with the one that news broke of this week.
Oh please. Can we stop giving him the oxygen by linking that board on here when all he does is slag this place off and threaten just about anyone and everyone.
Quote PJWT State of the art means the most advanced available.
Your initial post was patronising since you implied that only people who liked uniformity or were taken in by things shiny would like a new stadium. You set the snide tone, not me!
All you have said is that you don't like modern stadiums because you find them soulless. That is a matter of opinion.
I like modern stadiums and think atmosphere and soul are to do with the crowd and club , crucially the football being played.
Not agreeing with your opinion does not constitute failure to engage.
End quote.
This was my initial post:
Property Company says bad news to me. I don't want to move from The Valley yet again. IF we had to move (and please please god don't let it be true) then the conditions for me would be: In the Borough with a station 2 minutes away, good other transport links FROM THE TRADITIONAL AREAS OF SUPPORT and lots of available parking within 10 minutes walk, mainly free! A stadium designed for football, no running track and so on, with a German Style safe standing area, and a capacity of 35,000 and seats like Brighton's! The actual stadium design should be quirky, anachronistic, distinctive, unusual and obviously US, even when seen on the telly. Acoustic experts are employed so home areas are enhanced, or at least the sound doesn't escape as it does now, the away area in a corner. Concourses, toilets etc are better than the best, and include a corralled smoking cages just outside the stadium, but linked, for those who want to smoke. Home made vegetarian pies no more than £2.50! All Valley memorabilia to be transferred, including flagstones and Addicks place. The garden of remembrance to be gently and respectfully dug up. and moved specially to an area in the stadium in sight of the pitch, the earth and ashes ceremonially resettled. Sam's Statue to be moved there obviously. The above is just for starters. Or stay at the Valley!
Where is the 'patronising'? Where is ('you implied that only people who liked uniformity or were taken in by things shiny would like a new stadium') the implication? Where is the snide started by me? Where is the request that others (you) should agree with my opinion in a post peppered by 'I want'?
You say 'State of the art means the most advanced available.' This is the wrong definition in my view, which incidentally is what my posts have mainly been about. To me state of the art is about many of the things I have already posted regarding a thoughtful and creative approach to any new stadium.
If the most advanced possible (at the time) means Croydon, Thamesmead, The Elephant and Castle, The Ferrier, then I am glad that we have a concept of listed buildings, and a respect for the character of places. If there were to be a new stadium at the peninsula the opportunity would be there to design with some flair and imagination, as well as modern facilities. Otherwise yes, I do think a lot of the stadiums I have mentioned previously to be soulless and devoid of individuality.
My friend made a good point today(Not often he does) although my previous statement saying I would rather we was league 2 at The Valley than Prem at the Peninsula still is true, If Greenwich are definitely going to build a ground there and we don't take it and Millwall or some other team do how long till we go out of business, So the choice is now Prem at the Peninsular or a phoenix club at Greenwich park then you have to say the first option.
Quote PJWT State of the art means the most advanced available.
Your initial post was patronising since you implied that only people who liked uniformity or were taken in by things shiny would like a new stadium. You set the snide tone, not me!
All you have said is that you don't like modern stadiums because you find them soulless. That is a matter of opinion.
I like modern stadiums and think atmosphere and soul are to do with the crowd and club , crucially the football being played.
Not agreeing with your opinion does not constitute failure to engage.
End quote.
This was my initial post:
Property Company says bad news to me. I don't want to move from The Valley yet again. IF we had to move (and please please god don't let it be true) then the conditions for me would be: In the Borough with a station 2 minutes away, good other transport links FROM THE TRADITIONAL AREAS OF SUPPORT and lots of available parking within 10 minutes walk, mainly free! A stadium designed for football, no running track and so on, with a German Style safe standing area, and a capacity of 35,000 and seats like Brighton's! The actual stadium design should be quirky, anachronistic, distinctive, unusual and obviously US, even when seen on the telly. Acoustic experts are employed so home areas are enhanced, or at least the sound doesn't escape as it does now, the away area in a corner. Concourses, toilets etc are better than the best, and include a corralled smoking cages just outside the stadium, but linked, for those who want to smoke. Home made vegetarian pies no more than £2.50! All Valley memorabilia to be transferred, including flagstones and Addicks place. The garden of remembrance to be gently and respectfully dug up. and moved specially to an area in the stadium in sight of the pitch, the earth and ashes ceremonially resettled. Sam's Statue to be moved there obviously. The above is just for starters. Or stay at the Valley!
Where is the 'patronising'? Where is ('you implied that only people who liked uniformity or were taken in by things shiny would like a new stadium') the implication? Where is the snide started by me? Where is the request that others (you) should agree with my opinion in a post peppered by 'I want'?
You say 'State of the art means the most advanced available.' This is the wrong definition in my view, which incidentally is what my posts have mainly been about. To me state of the art is about many of the things I have already posted regarding a thoughtful and creative approach to any new stadium.
If the most advanced possible (at the time) means Croydon, Thamesmead, The Elephant and Castle, The Ferrier, then I am glad that we have a concept of listed buildings, and a respect for the character of places. If there were to be a new stadium at the peninsula the opportunity would be there to design with some flair and imagination, as well as modern facilities. Otherwise yes, I do think a lot of the stadiums I have mentioned previously to be soulless and devoid of individuality.
Actually I missed this post - much of what you say is valid and I have to say has made me think.
I also got your post mixed up with someone else's who assures me that there was no intention to be patronising.
Sorry guys but the valley as had its day .... We have to move to move on as a club the council won't give us anymore planning permission for the valley because they want us to move as well ...... The Valley once a great stadium but it's old and tired and would cost more money to get it up to today's standard ..... The move is the right thing ... The club can't survive at the valley
I find this astonishing!
Anyone at QPR today will testify that The Valley is like a modern day cathedral in comparison. Not perfect by any means, but "old and tired"?
Sorry guys but the valley as had its day .... We have to move to move on as a club the council won't give us anymore planning permission for the valley because they want us to move as well ...... The Valley once a great stadium but it's old and tired and would cost more money to get it up to today's standard ..... The move is the right thing ... The club can't survive at the valley
Lots of vague generalisations, but no explanation or discussion. D- Must try harder.
Sorry guys but the valley as had its day .... We have to move to move on as a club the council won't give us anymore planning permission for the valley because they want us to move as well ...... The Valley once a great stadium but it's old and tired and would cost more money to get it up to today's standard ..... The move is the right thing ... The club can't survive at the valley
unless I am very much mistaken, you are Colin Sams, a veteran of Glynne's mailing list. Sorry Mr Sams (alias bexley boy), but you are talking out of your arse. Which is par for the course since you were constantly calling for Curbs' head for five years before you got what you wanted.
Tell us what exactly you mean by "today's standard" and tell us what stops it being built into the Valley.
I understand you've got a coaching badge, but I didn't realise you were a chartered surveyor and property developer too.
Apologies to everybody else, especially admin, but sometimes enough is enough.
Whoever Colin is he only turns up when we lose not a word when we kept it tight fora few games and didn't lose ..... Weird
I agree He has made some strange points on other thread including only giving Pritch a 3 today although he was not great how someone can give a player a 3 is beyond me but i suppose everyone has there own opinion and he also said kermo offered very little
The Valley is fit for FAPL football. It is not the Valley's fault that it no longer hosts it. Could you explain to me what the Valley does not have that Carrow road, the Hawthorns or Craven Cottage, does? How would you like to see the Valley improved to your satisfaction?
Actually I like the The Valley - if there were a choice I would opt for expanding what is there. However if a new stadium was on offer in the peninsula there could be many advantages in pursuing it . Personally I don't have a problem with more modern stadium designs and I do not thnk that a move would be a betrayal of Charltons heritage.
The reality is this would be a way down the line anyway and there are lots more bridges to be crossed, eg survival, building a squad, pushing for promotion, staying up if we were promoted etc etc.
Fair enough. There is scope to expand the Valley, particularly with what it most needs; more executive boxes and entertainment venues. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise without a very clear detailed argument to back it up.
NSS
For decent lager, you'll just have to come out here or to Germany.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I would like to know what the scope is to expand the Valley? Is a 27,000 plus capacity sufficient and if not would the Council give permission for further expansion at all and if they were to give permission, would they tag on requirements to invest in the infrastructure? You mention executive boxes what would be needed to develop these at the Valley? What are the commercial advantages of staying at the Valley vis a vis any proposed or not proposed move?
I'll admit, I am not tethered to the Valley nor am I jumping up and down in anticipation of a new ground. I went to Selhurst, I went to Upton Park .. I'll go where my team play, I just hope that its where is nest for the long term future of the club.
Hi Kap
Of course I cannot provide you with detailed plans, but according to two different sources whom I described in an earlier post, further development of the Valley remains perfectly possible. The sale of Lansdowne Mews complicates the previous East Stand development which had previously been planned, but it remains possible, according to a source whose personal interest might be oriented to a "property play" re the Valley.
Overall, the important issue is revenue earning potential. It's been explained to me that in this respect, executive boxes and lounges are way, way more important than overall capacity. Furthermore, because we are a London club, this importance is even greater than at, say, Middlesbrough. If we have the boxes, we can charge far more for them. Everyone is fixated on overall capacity but its a red herring. A 32,000 capacity Valley with executive boxes to rival, say, the Amex, would be very competitive. You'll find that at West Ham, the pornography barons are not excited by the 54,000 capacity, but by the 5,000 capacity in boxes.
So what we want to see are the relative costs of upgrading the prawn sandwich capability at the Valley, versus moving to a new gaff. And it is down those who want to move, to show us the figures.
I think football crowds in general are on a downturn through saturation and general apathy towards the ridiculous sums of money involved at the top of the game.
Even if we were promoted to the prem we'd struggle to sell out the home areas of 24k IMO after the initial excitement of a season or two and to fill a 40k stadium would require us challenging regularly for the Champions League spots , so IMO it would be completely pointless in reality to go to a big new stadium
CAFC can become more viable at the Valley in the championship but that is for another day - there is a detailed and relevant discussion to be had about upgrading the Valley. Right now there are 8,000 empty seats every game and there are only three ways to fill them: get promoted, heavy discounting or long term promotion and marketing alongside development of the matday experience. The Valley has many years shelf life left in it but it needs facility improvement and TLC together with a plan...bigger picture is that CAFC needs a plan to survive and move onwards...that's all for now
Sorry guys but the valley as had its day .... We have to move to move on as a club the council won't give us anymore planning permission for the valley because they want us to move as well ...... The Valley once a great stadium but it's old and tired and would cost more money to get it up to today's standard ..... The move is the right thing ... The club can't survive at the valley
unless I am very much mistaken, you are Colin Sams, a veteran of Glynne's mailing list. Sorry Mr Sams (alias bexley boy), but you are talking out of your arse. Which is par for the course since you were constantly calling for Curbs' head for five years before you got what you wanted.
Tell us what exactly you mean by "today's standard" and tell us what stops it being built into the Valley.
I understand you've got a coaching badge, but I didn't realise you were a chartered surveyor and property developer too.
Apologies to everybody else, especially admin, but sometimes enough is enough.
Well Mr Sams?
The Valley with all it's faults, and yes there are some, is still our home, and one that could be sustainable in the coming years. Perhaps not in the Championship, but in the PL with a revised ground improvement, and a new set of plans for the Jimmy Seed end I think this may well be a starting point. Of course the other contracts such as catering, hospitality, and the shop would have to be renegotiated, but I am sure that it not beyond the bounds of imagination. Perhaps the 'template', and acceptance of defeat of turning the Valley around as a viable business could be re-evaluated, who knows with a creative mind and some imagination we could have our 'club back' playing attractive football, and making a profit, or is that proposal not permitted on a football forum? Not going to say it is easy, but worth a consideration, before some of us write the valley off, from previous attempts. You know it might not be possible? but are we so gutless as to even try?....... just a consideration
Why people would want to stay at the Valley and not move to a new stadium in GREENWICH is beyond me - football has changed and you have to see the bigger picture - i was there in the town hall that night punching the air in delight when Alwen announced the move back but now i would very much welcome a new stadium in GREENWICH watching decent football in prem. IMHO if Charlton moved to a 40000 - 50000 stadium and were playing in the prem with realistic ticket prices and a half decent team the ground would be full, maybe not all hardcore Charlton fans but nether the less full.
Whoever Colin is he only turns up when we lose not a word when we kept it tight fora few games and didn't lose ..... Weird
I agree He has made some strange points on other thread including only giving Pritch a 3 today although he was not great how someone can give a player a 3 is beyond me but i suppose everyone has there own opinion and he also said kermo offered very little
Check on the post match thread to see whether he confirms he was actually there. It may seem unbelievable, but he has form. Several times on the mailing list, when challenged, he admitted his player marks were based on listening on the radio! Seriously, if this didn't concern football,, you'd hope he seeks professional advice!
Or do we not want the fans to come who want to watch the likes of Hazard - Mata - Ozil - etc - sometimes i think some of you old school fans ......think..... or whatever i aint posted for a while so i'll go back just reading instead.
Comments
If you don't like it then fair enough, but lay off the insults.
Nothing snidey in that.
Heading in to manchester right now boxing the winner let's hope it aint off by the time I get in
Surely we need to know the answer to this and other similarly vital questions...
Pathetic.
Quote PJWT
State of the art means the most advanced available.
Your initial post was patronising since you implied that only people who liked uniformity or were taken in by things shiny would like a new stadium. You set the snide tone, not me!
All you have said is that you don't like modern stadiums because you find them soulless. That is a matter of opinion.
I like modern stadiums and think atmosphere and soul are to do with the crowd and club , crucially the football being played.
Not agreeing with your opinion does not constitute failure to engage.
End quote.
This was my initial post:
Property Company says bad news to me.
I don't want to move from The Valley yet again.
IF we had to move (and please please god don't let it be true) then the conditions for me would be:
In the Borough with a station 2 minutes away, good other transport links FROM THE TRADITIONAL AREAS OF SUPPORT and lots of available parking within 10 minutes walk, mainly free!
A stadium designed for football, no running track and so on, with a German Style safe standing area, and a capacity of 35,000 and seats like Brighton's! The actual stadium design should be quirky, anachronistic, distinctive, unusual and obviously US, even when seen on the telly.
Acoustic experts are employed so home areas are enhanced, or at least the sound doesn't escape as it does now, the away area in a corner.
Concourses, toilets etc are better than the best, and include a corralled smoking cages just outside the stadium, but linked, for those who want to smoke.
Home made vegetarian pies no more than £2.50!
All Valley memorabilia to be transferred, including flagstones and Addicks place.
The garden of remembrance to be gently and respectfully dug up. and moved specially to an area in the stadium in sight of the pitch, the earth and ashes ceremonially resettled.
Sam's Statue to be moved there obviously.
The above is just for starters.
Or stay at the Valley!
Where is the 'patronising'? Where is ('you implied that only people who liked uniformity or were taken in by things shiny would like a new stadium') the implication? Where is the snide started by me? Where is the request that others (you) should agree with my opinion in a post peppered by 'I want'?
You say 'State of the art means the most advanced available.' This is the wrong definition in my view, which incidentally is what my posts have mainly been about. To me state of the art is about many of the things I have already posted regarding a thoughtful and creative approach to any new stadium.
If the most advanced possible (at the time) means Croydon, Thamesmead, The Elephant and Castle, The Ferrier, then I am glad that we have a concept of listed buildings, and a respect for the character of places. If there were to be a new stadium at the peninsula the opportunity would be there to design with some flair and imagination, as well as modern facilities. Otherwise yes, I do think a lot of the stadiums I have mentioned previously to be soulless and devoid of individuality.
Quote PJWT
State of the art means the most advanced available.
Your initial post was patronising since you implied that only people who liked uniformity or were taken in by things shiny would like a new stadium. You set the snide tone, not me!
All you have said is that you don't like modern stadiums because you find them soulless. That is a matter of opinion.
I like modern stadiums and think atmosphere and soul are to do with the crowd and club , crucially the football being played.
Not agreeing with your opinion does not constitute failure to engage.
End quote.
This was my initial post:
Property Company says bad news to me.
I don't want to move from The Valley yet again.
IF we had to move (and please please god don't let it be true) then the conditions for me would be:
In the Borough with a station 2 minutes away, good other transport links FROM THE TRADITIONAL AREAS OF SUPPORT and lots of available parking within 10 minutes walk, mainly free!
A stadium designed for football, no running track and so on, with a German Style safe standing area, and a capacity of 35,000 and seats like Brighton's! The actual stadium design should be quirky, anachronistic, distinctive, unusual and obviously US, even when seen on the telly.
Acoustic experts are employed so home areas are enhanced, or at least the sound doesn't escape as it does now, the away area in a corner.
Concourses, toilets etc are better than the best, and include a corralled smoking cages just outside the stadium, but linked, for those who want to smoke.
Home made vegetarian pies no more than £2.50!
All Valley memorabilia to be transferred, including flagstones and Addicks place.
The garden of remembrance to be gently and respectfully dug up. and moved specially to an area in the stadium in sight of the pitch, the earth and ashes ceremonially resettled.
Sam's Statue to be moved there obviously.
The above is just for starters.
Or stay at the Valley!
Where is the 'patronising'? Where is ('you implied that only people who liked uniformity or were taken in by things shiny would like a new stadium') the implication? Where is the snide started by me? Where is the request that others (you) should agree with my opinion in a post peppered by 'I want'?
You say 'State of the art means the most advanced available.' This is the wrong definition in my view, which incidentally is what my posts have mainly been about. To me state of the art is about many of the things I have already posted regarding a thoughtful and creative approach to any new stadium.
If the most advanced possible (at the time) means Croydon, Thamesmead, The Elephant and Castle, The Ferrier, then I am glad that we have a concept of listed buildings, and a respect for the character of places. If there were to be a new stadium at the peninsula the opportunity would be there to design with some flair and imagination, as well as modern facilities. Otherwise yes, I do think a lot of the stadiums I have mentioned previously to be soulless and devoid of individuality.
Actually I missed this post - much of what you say is valid and I have to say has made me think.
I also got your post mixed up with someone else's who assures me that there was no intention to be patronising.
I therefore apologise to both of you.
Anyone at QPR today will testify that The Valley is like a modern day cathedral in comparison. Not perfect by any means, but "old and tired"?
D-
Must try harder.
Tell us what exactly you mean by "today's standard" and tell us what stops it being built into the Valley.
I understand you've got a coaching badge, but I didn't realise you were a chartered surveyor and property developer too.
Apologies to everybody else, especially admin, but sometimes enough is enough.
Well Mr Sams?
Of course I cannot provide you with detailed plans, but according to two different sources whom I described in an earlier post, further development of the Valley remains perfectly possible. The sale of Lansdowne Mews complicates the previous East Stand development which had previously been planned, but it remains possible, according to a source whose personal interest might be oriented to a "property play" re the Valley.
Overall, the important issue is revenue earning potential. It's been explained to me that in this respect, executive boxes and lounges are way, way more important than overall capacity. Furthermore, because we are a London club, this importance is even greater than at, say, Middlesbrough. If we have the boxes, we can charge far more for them. Everyone is fixated on overall capacity but its a red herring. A 32,000 capacity Valley with executive boxes to rival, say, the Amex, would be very competitive. You'll find that at West Ham, the pornography barons are not excited by the 54,000 capacity, but by the 5,000 capacity in boxes.
So what we want to see are the relative costs of upgrading the prawn sandwich capability at the Valley, versus moving to a new gaff. And it is down those who want to move, to show us the figures.
Even if we were promoted to the prem we'd struggle to sell out the home areas of 24k IMO after the initial excitement of a season or two
and to fill a 40k stadium would require us challenging regularly for the Champions League spots , so IMO it would be completely pointless in reality to go to a big new stadium
The Valley has many years shelf life left in it but it needs facility improvement and TLC together with a plan...bigger picture is that CAFC needs a plan to survive and move onwards...that's all for now
Perhaps not in the Championship, but in the PL with a revised ground improvement, and a new set of plans for the Jimmy Seed end I think this may well be a starting point.
Of course the other contracts such as catering, hospitality, and the shop would have to be renegotiated, but I am sure that it not beyond the bounds of imagination.
Perhaps the 'template', and acceptance of defeat of turning the Valley around as a viable business could be re-evaluated, who knows with a creative mind and some imagination
we could have our 'club back' playing attractive football, and making a profit, or is that proposal not permitted on a football forum?
Not going to say it is easy, but worth a consideration, before some of us write the valley off, from previous attempts.
You know it might not be possible? but are we so gutless as to even try?....... just a consideration