I am trying to understand the current state of the Takeover. Is there any news ?
(This thread should get a different name - Takeover and Valley speculation / prospects).
Regarding the Takeover figures. I understand that there is£4 million debt on the Valley with £7 million debt to directors payable on getting back to the Premiership. I understand from ITtV and this thread that the sale price is £18 million. This appears to be a significant drop in price from the £40 million asked for previously. This sounds like a positive move.
The leaking of the bid, I understand may be an attempt by TJ / MS to flush out a yeah or a neigh from another potential bidder so TJ / MS can get a bit more money ?
I understand, but there is no confirmation that the current bidder is a property company that is reported to be British but it is unclear and that it may an American company (or one that is linked with the Ebbsfleet theme park development).
Regarding this takeover. I do feel like a fractious kid in the back of a car, stuck in traffic, on a long car journey to a summer holiday in Cornwall to a place you are going to for the first time.
Will the destination be any good ? Are we there yet ?
The Valley has been our home on and off since 1919. Players,managers and supporters have come and gone. The one constant apart from a brief spell at Catford and the forgetful ground sharing with Palace and West Ham has been the Valley and long may it remain so. Any move away from the Valley would be a betrayal to all those good folk who gave so much time and effort to make our return to the Valley in 1992 such an emotional occasion. No 'state of the art' stadium for me thanks.
What if they redeveloped the valley so it was unrecognisable and was a state of the art stadium. But it was in the same place and was still called The Valley? Would that be ok?
It reminds me of the only fools and horses moment 'this broom has had 17 new heads and 14 handles'. 'Well how the hell is it the same broom then?'
I should have added away from the valley to 'State of the art'. Obviously the ground looks a very different and better place to the 1938 valley. I admit to being a dinosaur and would need to be convinced that property developers would have the best interest of the fans if a new stadium was proposed away from the Valley.
The Valley has been our home on and off since 1919. Players,managers and supporters have come and gone. The one constant apart from a brief spell at Catford and the forgetful ground sharing with Palace and West Ham has been the Valley and long may it remain so. Any move away from the Valley would be a betrayal to all those good folk who gave so much time and effort to make our return to the Valley in 1992 such an emotional occasion. No 'state of the art' stadium for me thanks.
Taking this example to its logical conclusion you were against any changes to the Valley and the the development of the current ground and any future changes?
We are Charlton now - not long dead fans from 1919 - and we make our own heritage to pass on. If moving to a new stadium allows Charlton to flourish for another hundred years then it has my vote any day.
It's not as if the Peninsula is a long way from where we are and what the hell is wrong with a modern stadium??
I hope this deal happens and I hope that in a few years we have the luxury to be able to chew the cudd over whether to stay at The Valley or move to a new state of the Art stadium.
'State of the Art'. My concern exactly.
Why?????
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
So admin but keep valley, or plastic gloryboydom(e) is the choice?
Not at all. This Pensinsular talk is pie in the sky and is actually irrelevant to any talk of a takeover - the possibility will be there whatever happens. If we get taken over by ambitious owners with loads of money then yes it is a more likely scenario than when we are broke and have our whole squad out of contract in 6 months, but I know which I would rather. All that we know is we need a takeover as the current owners cannot take us any further.
Put simply - a takeover is no guarantee of a move to the peninsular, just as one not happening is no guarantee that we will stay at the Valley. The club desperately needs new owners (for a whole host of reasons). The argument about moving is completely separate to this and for another day.
I hope this deal happens and I hope that in a few years we have the luxury to be able to chew the cudd over whether to stay at The Valley or move to a new state of the Art stadium.
'State of the Art'. My concern exactly.
Why?????
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
Modern stadiums are often identikit looking bowls with identical looking stands and no individual features.
To some that's great because they like the uniformity and everything shiny and new, but to others that's souless, bland and lacking in any character.
I've been going to the valley since the early 60's and the valley we all call home today aint the same one, even the location is different, this one is near a tube line and I get the train to it instead of walking. A night out at wembley last tuesday just convinced me even more that we need to knock the 4 stands down and start again if we want to survive long term. If that means moving to the peninsular then so be it. I'll still go...
The way I see it all of this talk is somewhat irrelevant. They haven't lowered the price they're asking for the club out of generosity, it can only be because the time is arriving when they simply HAVE to sell.
I think what we should be really concerned about is what if the takeover doesn't go through. I have no confidence that there is plan for that scenario, like others have said the SLP story is clearly a plant and there are some pretty clear indications from the content of the article who has planted it. If the banks and previous directors accept any deal then that's enough for me, and all of this concern about the ground etc will simply have to wait.
Very good points.
I wouldnt say the move talk is irrelevent, maybe just a little preimature but as you say "what if there isn't a takeover?"
Halving the price does certainly seems to indicate that they are keen to sell ASAP.
The Valley has been our home on and off since 1919. Players,managers and supporters have come and gone. The one constant apart from a brief spell at Catford and the forgetful ground sharing with Palace and West Ham has been the Valley and long may it remain so. Any move away from the Valley would be a betrayal to all those good folk who gave so much time and effort to make our return to the Valley in 1992 such an emotional occasion. No 'state of the art' stadium for me thanks.
What if they redeveloped the valley so it was unrecognisable and was a state of the art stadium. But it was in the same place and was still called The Valley? Would that be ok?
It reminds me of the only fools and horses moment 'this broom has had 17 new heads and 14 handles'. 'Well how the hell is it the same broom then?'
I should have added away from the valley to 'State of the art'. Obviously the ground looks a very different and better place to the 1938 valley. I admit to being a dinosaur and would need to be convinced that property developers would have the best interest of the fans if a new stadium was proposed away from the Valley.
my friend, there is nothing dinosaur -like about wanting to be convinced that a move away is in the best interests of CAFC , and therefore its fans. When the issue becomes real, the same people who gave time and effort to the return, will devote as much effort to establishing and making public the real business case for a move. There is nothing nostalgic, luddite, or anti-commercial about such a stance. But a nice little photoshop of a new stadium will not be sufficient.
On ITtV, I have found this post about progress of the takeover. No idea if its true but I find it vaguely reassuring. Sufficient for me to concentrate on the match against QPR.
That will do for me for the minute, short of any concrete developments or proposals.
Yes things have been progressing well, but still a way to go I would suggest.
I wouldn't like to call them vultures, but it is starting to fall into place for a group who have been patiently waiting for the grip to loosen on the clubs owners. Owners who's hands,it would seem,appear to be forced further open as each day passes.
If they are successful,I think it would provide a much more stable and progressive future for the club.
I hope this deal happens and I hope that in a few years we have the luxury to be able to chew the cudd over whether to stay at The Valley or move to a new state of the Art stadium.
'State of the Art'. My concern exactly.
Why?????
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
Modern stadiums are often identikit looking bowls with identical looking stands and no individual features.
To some that's great because they like the uniformity and everything shiny and new, but to others that's souless, bland and lacking in any character.
The football, fans and drama are what add atmosphere - Valley is very similar all over.
The way I see it all of this talk is somewhat irrelevant. They haven't lowered the price they're asking for the club out of generosity, it can only be because the time is arriving when they simply HAVE to sell.
I think what we should be really concerned about is what if the takeover doesn't go through. I have no confidence that there is plan for that scenario, like others have said the SLP story is clearly a plant and there are some pretty clear indications from the content of the article who has planted it. If the banks and previous directors accept any deal then that's enough for me, and all of this concern about the ground etc will simply have to wait.
Very good points.
I wouldnt say the move talk is irrelevent, maybe just a little preimature but as you say "what if there isn't a takeover?"
Halving the price does certainly seems to indicate that they are keen to sell ASAP.
Yeah I didn't word it that well in my first post - what I want to get across is that the potential for us to move is going to be there until it is decided there is no ground on the peninsular or someone takes it. Especially considering the situation the club currently finds itself in, talk of a move is a discussion for the medium-long term. By far the most pressing thing now is getting owners who can afford to fund the club from 2014.
The way I see it all of this talk is somewhat irrelevant. They haven't lowered the price they're asking for the club out of generosity, it can only be because the time is arriving when they simply HAVE to sell.
I think what we should be really concerned about is what if the takeover doesn't go through. I have no confidence that there is plan for that scenario, like others have said the SLP story is clearly a plant and there are some pretty clear indications from the content of the article who has planted it. If the banks and previous directors accept any deal then that's enough for me, and all of this concern about the ground etc will simply have to wait.
Very good points.
I wouldnt say the move talk is irrelevent, maybe just a little preimature but as you say "what if there isn't a takeover?"
Halving the price does certainly seems to indicate that they are keen to sell ASAP.
Yeah I didn't word it that well in my first post - what I want to get across is that the potential for us to move is going to be there until it is decided there is no ground on the peninsular or someone takes it. Especially considering the situation the club currently finds itself in, talk of a move is a discussion for the medium-long term. By far the most pressing thing now is getting owners who can afford to fund the club from 2014.
Agree. Hope that the proposed owners have the funds because it doesn't seem the current lot have either the means or the will to do more than keep us ticking over.
But as and when a takeover comes the ground question needs to be asked if for month other reasons than to allay fears
I hope this deal happens and I hope that in a few years we have the luxury to be able to chew the cudd over whether to stay at The Valley or move to a new state of the Art stadium.
'State of the Art'. My concern exactly.
Why?????
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
As I have written earlier on this thread (and referenced Brighton too), I can give you several 'good reasons'. No not the AMEX, but Colchester, The Toolbox, The Riverside, The Emirates, St Marys, and others. When you say 'state of the art' that is exactly it, the 'art'. Some kind of functional prefabricated soulless anonymous stadium would, for me, be awful. If on the other hand a true 'artist' of a football architect were involved, and could persuade us, then it may be another matter. I went to the AMEX last season, and was impressed by the proximity of Falmer, the seats, and the Vegetarian pie. I knew it was Brighton and Hove Albion because everything was blue, maybe if everything had been red I would have thought I was in Southampton.
I hope this deal happens and I hope that in a few years we have the luxury to be able to chew the cudd over whether to stay at The Valley or move to a new state of the Art stadium.
'State of the Art'. My concern exactly.
Why?????
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
Modern stadiums are often identikit looking bowls with identical looking stands and no individual features.
To some that's great because they like the uniformity and everything shiny and new, but to others that's souless, bland and lacking in any character.
The football, fans and drama are what add atmosphere - Valley is very similar all over.
I hope this deal happens and I hope that in a few years we have the luxury to be able to chew the cudd over whether to stay at The Valley or move to a new state of the Art stadium.
'State of the Art'. My concern exactly.
Why?????
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
As I have written earlier on this thread (and referenced Brighton too), I can give you several 'good reasons'. No not the AMEX, but Colchester, The Toolbox, The Riverside, The Emirates, St Marys, and others. When you say 'state of the art' that is exactly it, the 'art'. Some kind of functional prefabricated soulless anonymous stadium would, for me, be awful. If on the other hand a true 'artist' of a football architect were involved, and could persuade us, then it may be another matter. I went to the AMEX last season, and was impressed by the proximity of Falmer, the seats, and the Vegetarian pie. I knew it was Brighton and Hove Albion because everything was blue, maybe if everything had been red I would have thought I was in Southampton.
And the Valley is different at every turn is it?!
Sorry there is no argument buried in your statement, just some vague dislike for modern stadiums. A matter of taste rather than logic.
I hope this deal happens and I hope that in a few years we have the luxury to be able to chew the cudd over whether to stay at The Valley or move to a new state of the Art stadium.
'State of the Art'. My concern exactly.
Why?????
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
Modern stadiums are often identikit looking bowls with identical looking stands and no individual features.
To some that's great because they like the uniformity and everything shiny and new, but to others that's souless, bland and lacking in any character.
The football, fans and drama are what add atmosphere - Valley is very similar all over.
Comments
(This thread should get a different name - Takeover and Valley speculation / prospects).
Regarding the Takeover figures. I understand that there is£4 million debt on the Valley with £7 million debt to directors payable on getting back to the Premiership. I understand from ITtV and this thread that the sale price is £18 million. This appears to be a significant drop in price from the £40 million asked for previously. This sounds like a positive move.
The leaking of the bid, I understand may be an attempt by TJ / MS to flush out a yeah or a neigh from another potential bidder so TJ / MS can get a bit more money ?
I understand, but there is no confirmation that the current bidder is a property company that is reported to be British but it is unclear and that it may an American company (or one that is linked with the Ebbsfleet theme park development).
Is that about the state of play ?
Will the destination be any good ? Are we there yet ?
14 pages condensed into one line.
I admit to being a dinosaur and would need to be convinced that property developers would have the best interest of the fans if a new stadium was proposed away from the Valley.
We are Charlton now - not long dead fans from 1919 - and we make our own heritage to pass on. If moving to a new stadium allows Charlton to flourish for another hundred years then it has my vote any day.
It's not as if the Peninsula is a long way from where we are and what the hell is wrong with a modern stadium??
Give me one good reason a modern stadium very near where we are is such a bad idea? I would snatch anyone's hands off for a Stadium like Brighton, for instance?!
Put simply - a takeover is no guarantee of a move to the peninsular, just as one not happening is no guarantee that we will stay at the Valley. The club desperately needs new owners (for a whole host of reasons). The argument about moving is completely separate to this and for another day.
To some that's great because they like the uniformity and everything shiny and new, but to others that's souless, bland and lacking in any character.
I wouldnt say the move talk is irrelevent, maybe just a little preimature but as you say "what if there isn't a takeover?"
Halving the price does certainly seems to indicate that they are keen to sell ASAP.
That will do for me for the minute, short of any concrete developments or proposals.
http://intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/14261/slp-on-takeover?page=3
Angeldust
Yes things have been progressing well, but still a way to go I would suggest.
I wouldn't like to call them vultures, but it is starting to fall into place for a group who have been patiently waiting for the grip to loosen on the clubs owners. Owners who's hands,it would seem,appear to be forced further open as each day passes.
If they are successful,I think it would provide a much more stable and progressive future for the club.
I wish you well.
Never noticed any lack of atmosphere at Wembly!
But as and when a takeover comes the ground question needs to be asked if for month other reasons than to allay fears
When you say 'state of the art' that is exactly it, the 'art'.
Some kind of functional prefabricated soulless anonymous stadium would, for me, be awful. If on the other hand a true 'artist' of a football architect were involved, and could persuade us, then it may be another matter.
I went to the AMEX last season, and was impressed by the proximity of Falmer, the seats, and the Vegetarian pie. I knew it was Brighton and Hove Albion because everything was blue, maybe if everything had been red I would have thought I was in Southampton.
Sorry there is no argument buried in your statement, just some vague dislike for modern stadiums. A matter of taste rather than logic.