Staying up = good season. Mid table = great season. Anything more = CP manager of the year.
CP was the right man to take us up, and if we went down he would be the right man to take us up again. Clubs, including ours, have shown in the past that sticking with a manager is the best thing in the long term. Especially when you have a good one, which we do.
We are all in it together and our job is to support our manager and our players through thick and thin. This does not mean that you cannot pull anyone up if they do not give 100% or make poor decisions.
All said and done, I would rather have CP than just another journey man manager doing the rounds. Mainly because it does of course mean he has failed at several clubs already! They would also not understand our club and our history.
We should be singing his name at every game whatever. The owners need to know we do not want a changeof manager, just a couple of new players to freshen things up.
Well said, Redrobo.
We need leadership both on & OFF the pitch, starting at Leics on Tuesday night.
Should the owners be wavering , especially in the light of the numerous departures from our league so far this season, then we have to persuade them that SCP IS the man for us, longterm. Anything else would be a gamble that they can ill afford to take and which would alienate the faithful big time. With season tickets coming on sale, this could hammer a further nail in the you know what.
Fanny, were you sitting about six rows from the front, on the end of the block nearest the Hull fans to the left? Think I may have been sat in front of you, black body warmer, grey beanie, red hoodie. If it was you, you come out with some funny stuff )
We are in free fall, much of our own making, and home form is abysmal. Expect nothing from Leicester or from a Billy Davis inspired Notts Forest. Future looks bleak and I will be pleasantly surprised if we stay up.
The free fall started against Wednesday and its been a catalogue of errors and bad decisions since.
With Powell I feel that in a way he cant get it right at the moment, he doesnt make subs or change formations when he should and it costs us and when he does make changes it costs us too, the better managers don't tend to attract that sort of bad luck.
Hamers cock up yesterday didnt help him but overall Powell went for 0-0 and we just didn't have the quality to turn the game around which is hardly surprising considering we didn't register a shot on target until the final stages, poor.
Going on Tuesday but feel we need to be more positive and try and win the game, if we can go to places like Watford and get a result against a decent footballing team then we should be able to get one at Leicester. They're thumping win against Birmingham yesterday shows what a poor side we failed to beat last week.
Interesting you should mention Billy Davies, always thought he would have been a good manager for us when he was at Preston.
Yesterday Hull were 1-0 and up holding out for 3 points.
In the last 20 minutes did Steve Bruce change the formation and stick 10 players in their own half desperately defending the lead - NO, At Charlton corners did he have all 11 Hull players in their own penalty area with no outlet, so if the ball was cleared it would come straight back in - NO Did Steve Bruce take forwards and wide players off, and replace them with defenders - NO
What Steve Bruce did was to continue playing normally looking to score a second goal. And surprise, surprise Charlton didn't become encamped in the Hull penalty area with Hull defending for their lives. In fact Charlton barely had a shot on goal.
The moral of this story (in my opinion) is that Chris Powell is tactically flawed. All season he has tried to defend one goal leads by playing deeper and deeper and packing the defence. Yet this has never worked we have conceded so many goals in the last 10 minutes that everyone connected with Charlton apart from Chris Powell knows that this tactic does not work. You would think that Powell would learn his lesson but NO, every game he continues with this absurd tactic.
Football under Chris Powell is not good. Our home record is appalling, and the football that the team now plays is so negative that even some die hard fans I know are becoming critical. Sadly I believe that Powell has taken Charlton as far as he can. If he remains in charge playing these tactics and this style of football we are in serious danger of getting relegated. Even if we survive I believe that season ticket sales next season will drop, as a direct result of only 4 wins out of 16, or 4 wins out of 18 if you include the cup competitions.
This dire football and absurd tactics cannot continue. Something has to change!
Fanny, were you sitting about six rows from the front, on the end of the block nearest the Hull fans to the left? Think I may have been sat in front of you, black body warmer, grey beanie, red hoodie. If it was you, you come out with some funny stuff )
Not me, ADN.
A beanie & hoodie would look pretty silly on me !
Seriously, we were in row Z a few rows back from Airman.
And I was all out of humourous quips yesterday , I'm afraid.
We are far too good to go down. This bad run is the result of the ludicrous decision by Powell to not change things after 70 mins against Sheff Weds. Had we won that we'd have won four in a row and confidence would have been sky high going into the Palace game. 451 is what works best for us, but we need the work rate of both Pritchard and Waggy in the midfield. Fuller and Kermy are too similar to play together and neither has great pace. One needs to start, with the other coming on to replace the other after 65/70 minutes.
Incredible comment. Powell not making subs when we were 1-0 against Sheff Wed and the players went to sleep is the reason we lost subsequent games. Nothing to do with the players dropping leads by dropping too deep and playing without any nous. And you're right of course, every team on a four game run necessarily wins the match after that. It's science. Fuller and Yann worked fine against Birmingham before the defence stopped doing their jobs as well.
But yes, all the 90 minute games we have lost have been lost entirely due to one tactical decision several weeks ago by a man who wasn't on the pitch. Bravo.
Jesus. What do some of you expect ? Apart from Fuller this is the a League 1 team with a very low average age and little or no experience of Championship football.
Someone previously mentioned that Powell called us inexperienced in his post match comments. We are exactly that - including the manager in his role. Yes we have Fuller and Cort but the majority of the rest are youngsters. I think after last season, we tend to forget how young some of them are.
We'll stay up but we as a crowd need to get behind them. The 1 time we did, we beat the league leaders.
Maybe our saving grace with Leicester is that Powelly knows Nigel Pearson's game plans inside out as he was assistant to him. Could that work in our favour?
I think it's been a long time since those days, but I do know this team has the ability to dig in, bounce back from defeat and surprise opposition who make the mistake of writing us off. I also know we beat Leicester at the start of the season at the Valley, and that we play better away from home. 2-0 victory.
Football under Chris Powell is not good. Our home record is appalling, and the football that the team now plays is so negative that even some die hard fans I know are becoming critical. Sadly I believe that Powell has taken Charlton as far as he can. If he remains in charge playing these tactics and this style of football we are in serious danger of getting relegated. Even if we survive I believe that season ticket sales next season will drop, as a direct result of only 4 wins out of 16, or 4 wins out of 18 if you include the cup competitions.
This dire football and absurd tactics cannot continue. Something has to change!
So two years into his career as a manager he cannot learn and improve?
After his first half a season in charge I said we should give him time, let him bring in his own players and then see what he can do. We need to do the same again - as said this is the team that won League 1 plus Fuller and Wilson (who was playing in League 1 himself). It was clear in the summer that if we were to push on we needed 3/4 better players and that's still the case now.
We should stay up and if we do I hope the board can sort out a decent budget in the summer for Powell to improve this squad.
fannyfanackapan.I agree with you.If [and is a huge if] we are relegated CP has proved beyond all reasonable doubt that he would be the right man to bring us back.Did anyone say we should sack curbs in 1999 as he got us relegated.Thankfully no or we would have missed our most successful spell for over half a century.
The stupidest words any football supporter will ever speak"xyz"has taken us as far as he can Sam Allardyce"has taken Backburn as far as he can"2010 Martin Oneil has taken us as far as he can Aston Villa 2009 Alan Curbishley has taken us as far as he can Charlton Athletic 2007 O'driscoll forest 2013 etc etc etc etc
Yesterday Hull were 1-0 and up holding out for 3 points.
In the last 20 minutes did Steve Bruce change the formation and stick 10 players in their own half desperately defending the lead - NO, At Charlton corners did he have all 11 Hull players in their own penalty area with no outlet, so if the ball was cleared it would come straight back in - NO Did Steve Bruce take forwards and wide players off, and replace them with defenders - NO
What Steve Bruce did was to continue playing normally looking to score a second goal. And surprise, surprise Charlton didn't become encamped in the Hull penalty area with Hull defending for their lives. In fact Charlton barely had a shot on goal.
The moral of this story (in my opinion) is that Chris Powell is tactically flawed. All season he has tried to defend one goal leads by playing deeper and deeper and packing the defence. Yet this has never worked we have conceded so many goals in the last 10 minutes that everyone connected with Charlton apart from Chris Powell knows that this tactic does not work. You would think that Powell would learn his lesson but NO, every game he continues with this absurd tactic.
Football under Chris Powell is not good. Our home record is appalling, and the football that the team now plays is so negative that even some die hard fans I know are becoming critical. Sadly I believe that Powell has taken Charlton as far as he can. If he remains in charge playing these tactics and this style of football we are in serious danger of getting relegated. Even if we survive I believe that season ticket sales next season will drop, as a direct result of only 4 wins out of 16, or 4 wins out of 18 if you include the cup competitions.
This dire football and absurd tactics cannot continue. Something has to change!
Oh behave. You make many points, that may well be valid & that I probably agree with. But to say that Powell has taken Charlton as far as he can, when nearly all the other teams have better squads is nonsense. Yes, on the current squad you may just have a point, but who would do better ? Everyone knows that stability is usually the best option. Keep the faith.
Yesterday Hull were 1-0 and up holding out for 3 points.
In the last 20 minutes did Steve Bruce change the formation and stick 10 players in their own half desperately defending the lead - NO, At Charlton corners did he have all 11 Hull players in their own penalty area with no outlet, so if the ball was cleared it would come straight back in - NO Did Steve Bruce take forwards and wide players off, and replace them with defenders - NO
What Steve Bruce did was to continue playing normally looking to score a second goal. And surprise, surprise Charlton didn't become encamped in the Hull penalty area with Hull defending for their lives. In fact Charlton barely had a shot on goal.
The moral of this story (in my opinion) is that Chris Powell is tactically flawed. All season he has tried to defend one goal leads by playing deeper and deeper and packing the defence. Yet this has never worked we have conceded so many goals in the last 10 minutes that everyone connected with Charlton apart from Chris Powell knows that this tactic does not work. You would think that Powell would learn his lesson but NO, every game he continues with this absurd tactic.
Football under Chris Powell is not good. Our home record is appalling, and the football that the team now plays is so negative that even some die hard fans I know are becoming critical. Sadly I believe that Powell has taken Charlton as far as he can. If he remains in charge playing these tactics and this style of football we are in serious danger of getting relegated. Even if we survive I believe that season ticket sales next season will drop, as a direct result of only 4 wins out of 16, or 4 wins out of 18 if you include the cup competitions.
This dire football and absurd tactics cannot continue. Something has to change!
add to that lack of investment from the owners,stripping of experienced charlton staff etc and i expect season tickets to fall anyway. cant see that we will invest for next season either with this mob whoever they are,in charge.If they were commited to seeing us progress they would of brought at least 3 first team players in pre season or when we were 7 points off a playoff place in jan when they had a golden oppotunity to push on from there,i fear it will be a long time before we see us 7 points from a playoff place in jan again,really hope im wrong though.
"This mob" being the mob who brought CP to the Valley, brought BWP to the Valley (we liked that, didn't we?) and the rest of the best of league 1 and got us back into the championship in 18 months?
I have no idea why Waggy was left out , the only thing I can think of is we need him to supply the winning cross for Yann on Tuesday night , for his last minute bullet header winner against the Foxes , COYR!!!
weve got 1 point from our last 4 games have shown hollands bwp and green that there surplus to requirements but still managed to not unload them off the wage bill and brought no one in except ricardo fuller who's hardly ever completely fit
weve got 1 point from our last 4 games have shown hollands bwp and green that there surplus to requirements but still managed to not unload them off the wage bill and brought no one in except ricardo fuller who's hardly ever completely fit
Which is major progress from before "this mob" came in and pretty much every player in the squad were inadequate for our requirements.
If you're only going to base our progress on the last 4 games (conveniently the time period since we last won), then it just sounds to me like you're trying to build a case to have a moan rather than look at the bigger picture.
Agreed with Ticket. Some have extremely short memories. I couldn't bear to bring myself on here last night because I knew how some of the reactionary lot would have responded to the result.
weve got 1 point from our last 4 games have shown hollands bwp and green that there surplus to requirements but still managed to not unload them off the wage bill and brought no one in except ricardo fuller who's hardly ever completely fit
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We need leadership both on & OFF the pitch, starting at Leics on Tuesday night.
Should the owners be wavering , especially in the light of the numerous departures from our league so far this season, then we have to persuade them that SCP IS the man for us, longterm. Anything else would be a gamble that they can ill afford to take and which would alienate the faithful big time. With season tickets coming on sale, this could hammer a further nail in the you know what.
Your Club needs YOU now !!!!
With Powell I feel that in a way he cant get it right at the moment, he doesnt make subs or change formations when he should and it costs us and when he does make changes it costs us too, the better managers don't tend to attract that sort of bad luck.
Hamers cock up yesterday didnt help him but overall Powell went for 0-0 and we just didn't have the quality to turn the game around which is hardly surprising considering we didn't register a shot on target until the final stages, poor.
Going on Tuesday but feel we need to be more positive and try and win the game, if we can go to places like Watford and get a result against a decent footballing team then we should be able to get one at Leicester. They're thumping win against Birmingham yesterday shows what a poor side we failed to beat last week.
Interesting you should mention Billy Davies, always thought he would have been a good manager for us when he was at Preston.
In the last 20 minutes did Steve Bruce change the formation and stick 10 players in their own half desperately defending the lead - NO,
At Charlton corners did he have all 11 Hull players in their own penalty area with no outlet, so if the ball was cleared it would come straight back in - NO
Did Steve Bruce take forwards and wide players off, and replace them with defenders - NO
What Steve Bruce did was to continue playing normally looking to score a second goal. And surprise, surprise Charlton didn't become encamped in the Hull penalty area with Hull defending for their lives. In fact Charlton barely had a shot on goal.
The moral of this story (in my opinion) is that Chris Powell is tactically flawed. All season he has tried to defend one goal leads by playing deeper and deeper and packing the defence. Yet this has never worked we have conceded so many goals in the last 10 minutes that everyone connected with Charlton apart from Chris Powell knows that this tactic does not work. You would think that Powell would learn his lesson but NO, every game he continues with this absurd tactic.
Football under Chris Powell is not good. Our home record is appalling, and the football that the team now plays is so negative that even some die hard fans I know are becoming critical. Sadly I believe that Powell has taken Charlton as far as he can. If he remains in charge playing these tactics and this style of football we are in serious danger of getting relegated. Even if we survive I believe that season ticket sales next season will drop, as a direct result of only 4 wins out of 16, or 4 wins out of 18 if you include the cup competitions.
This dire football and absurd tactics cannot continue. Something has to change!
A beanie & hoodie would look pretty silly on me !
Seriously, we were in row Z a few rows back from Airman.
And I was all out of humourous quips yesterday , I'm afraid.
But yes, all the 90 minute games we have lost have been lost entirely due to one tactical decision several weeks ago by a man who wasn't on the pitch. Bravo.
Someone previously mentioned that Powell called us inexperienced in his post match comments. We are exactly that - including the manager in his role.
Yes we have Fuller and Cort but the majority of the rest are youngsters. I think after last season, we tend to forget how young some of them are.
We'll stay up but we as a crowd need to get behind them. The 1 time we did, we beat the league leaders.
After his first half a season in charge I said we should give him time, let him bring in his own players and then see what he can do. We need to do the same again - as said this is the team that won League 1 plus Fuller and Wilson (who was playing in League 1 himself). It was clear in the summer that if we were to push on we needed 3/4 better players and that's still the case now.
We should stay up and if we do I hope the board can sort out a decent budget in the summer for Powell to improve this squad.
Sam Allardyce"has taken Backburn as far as he can"2010
Martin Oneil has taken us as far as he can Aston Villa 2009
Alan Curbishley has taken us as far as he can Charlton Athletic 2007
O'driscoll forest 2013
etc etc etc etc
Yes, on the current squad you may just have a point, but who would do better ?
Everyone knows that stability is usually the best option. Keep the faith.
We got no new players in, which must have dented morale
We have 2 players who thought they were going out, and presumably feel unwanted
add to that lack of investment from the owners,stripping of experienced charlton staff etc and i expect season tickets to fall anyway. cant see that we will invest for next season either with this mob whoever they are,in charge.If they were commited to seeing us progress they would of brought at least 3 first team players in pre season or when we were 7 points off a playoff place in jan when they had a golden oppotunity to push on from there,i fear it will be a long time before we see us 7 points from a playoff place in jan again,really hope im wrong though.
"This mob" being the mob who brought CP to the Valley, brought BWP to the Valley (we liked that, didn't we?) and the rest of the best of league 1 and got us back into the championship in 18 months?
Short, short memories.
If you're only going to base our progress on the last 4 games (conveniently the time period since we last won), then it just sounds to me like you're trying to build a case to have a moan rather than look at the bigger picture.
Agreed with Ticket. Some have extremely short memories. I couldn't bear to bring myself on here last night because I knew how some of the reactionary lot would have responded to the result.
Elliot, Francis, Fry, Doherty, Dailly, McCormack, Racon, Semedo, Jackson, Abbot, Benson.
Yes, I think we've made progress.