Golfaddick, fair play but I think CP has done alright with a Leaque 1 team this season, one that is punching above its weight for sure. Feel sorry for the owners as I'm sure they would rather give CP £7m for transfers rather than having to keep the ship afloat.
The negative guys wanted Powell out should be careful what they wish for ... He's had a difficult last couple of games as we all have... And this is his learning curve, right here, right now ... He's come incredibly far in a very short time and this is the next stumbling block ...
He will get there ... And if you lot havnt got the patience for it maybe you should "ship out"
So we lost. I'm gutted but it's not the first time and won't be the last. Rarely does one side have dominance for 90 minutes. I doubt changes would have made a difference. When we were dominant we only scored 1 goal, they managed 2. Improving our finishing costs money. You could say we were unlucky and the team played really well today. COYR's.
If people can recall, how we started games away at the beginning of the season and the tactic to beat us was to go at us - Derby- Forest because we sat back too much. It is now our weakness in the final quarter of games when we have something to defend. Chrissy sorted the first issue out and our away record is excellent. I would say, he is learning the division still. That doesn't mean he should be sacked!!!
The thing is though, it is the same problem- you have to carry a threat. Why doesn't every side start with effectively 5 up front - simples- because it is a suicidal formation that can be picked apart. But when you are losing and not looking like you can get back into it, it is the only way to go, especially if your opponents want to hold what they have. It's like saying, I dare you to open up a bit and counter this. When you are one up with 20 minutes to go, it is tempting not to do this, but it gives a formation with inherent weaknesses strength if you fail to do so,
Despite, what was a commanding first half performance- I feared this would happen. I knew Holloway would do this and early - as I know he is that sort of manager and I knew Powell wouldn't respond as I know he is that sort of manager too. But those comments about them being better - that is rubbish -we haven't bossed a team like we did in the first half away for some time. Credit to Powell for getting the starting tactics right.
Powell has put a very good side together, we have won our last two then thrown the game away and won the three before that.The jump between us being a top six side is very small IMO. The suggestion he should be replaced by Paul Hart is rubbish, but maybe he should sit down with Paul Hart, Keith Peacock and discuss the tactics. He is a young manager and I believe he will be a great manager. I have seen the evidence that Chrissy learns from his mistakes, and sometimes you need to make them to learn from them. I think he is the man to take us back to the promised land - yes I was critical of him today but I don't want anybody else in charge, and nor should any other right thinking fan.
Just seen the goals. They were of the similar ilk to last week where their defence had no pressure and could lump balls in half dangerous areas. That's what we need to cut out,by creating pressure on them.
just sat down again at my laptop again after deciding to give up reading this for a few hours. After reading the many comments & views on here I have come up with these views.
Too many "in CP we trust" for my liking............they said that about the captain of the Titanic and looked what happened there !
strikers generally win games & we had more strikers on the bench than in the starting 11 - you don't win too many games that way
sod 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 or 4-3-3......... this is football & not netball - all 11 men can run anywhere at any time, so just get the ball to the men furthest forward more often.
football is an easy game - all you have to do is score more goals than the opposition. That being the case why stop at 1 after 20 mins when you have another 70 mins to play. Score 3 goals in a game and the chances of losing are fairly small.
CP may be "learning" as a manager, but he doesn;t seem to be learning fast enough. I don't want my club to be a learning ground for incompetent managers, so a meassage to CP -either learn fast or ship out and go learn your trade elsewhere.
And who would have done a better job than Powell. Was given a new squad and made us champions, this season was all about consolidation.
just sat down again at my laptop again after deciding to give up reading this for a few hours. After reading the many comments & views on here I have come up with these views.
Too many "in CP we trust" for my liking............they said that about the captain of the Titanic and looked what happened there !
strikers generally win games & we had more strikers on the bench than in the starting 11 - you don't win too many games that way
sod 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 or 4-3-3......... this is football & not netball - all 11 men can run anywhere at any time, so just get the ball to the men furthest forward more often.
football is an easy game - all you have to do is score more goals than the opposition. That being the case why stop at 1 after 20 mins when you have another 70 mins to play. Score 3 goals in a game and the chances of losing are fairly small.
CP may be "learning" as a manager, but he doesn;t seem to be learning fast enough. I don't want my club to be a learning ground for incompetent managers, so a meassage to CP -either learn fast or ship out and go learn your trade elsewhere.
The manager and players we have are all in my opinion hurting just as much as we are after yesterday. It's not often we can say that. They will want to bounce straight back and I genuinely think we will on Saturday.
Palarse have 12 more points than us, they are a better team and they beat us,our team and manager are still learning and will improve as they have done during this season, but we aren't a promotion team and probably not a relegation team, lets be satisfied with what we have which is a mid table Championship team, we'll win some and loose some, Ok it is against Palarse and it hurts but it is only one game, we will come back stronger and better next season (I hope)
Yesterday's loss wasn't down to Powell's tactical failings. Why is it that Powell gets the pelters for our players' tendency to give up on their jobs? If Holloway changed his formation to a gung-ho attacking one then our 4-1-4-1 should have been more than capable of exploting the space left behind when they attacked. We had a centre half in the holding role, two wingers capable of getting box-to-box repeatedly and pacy full backs who can cross. Add to that Fuller's ability on the ball and the players should have been switched on enough to be filling those spaces and generating more chances. You don't want your manager always changing things to accomodate the opposition's tactics - remember Stevenage away - instead you want the players to show some nous on the pitch. We had enough hardworking players to soak up some pressure and then attack with pace and overload them. We didn't though, we let them charge on and sat deeper and deeper and basically invited them to score. If we can't take our chances and the players fall apart tactically under pressure then we may as well have Mourinho for all the difference it would make. I don't think Powell's infallible but I also think that due to the reverse-Charlton effect (also inflicted on Waggy) he sometimes gets more criticism than he deserves based on people thinking he gets a free ride for being one of ours. Which is a madness you can only get on here
Yesterday's loss wasn't down to Powell's tactical failings. Why is it that Powell gets the pelters for our players' tendency to give up on their jobs? If Holloway changed his formation to a gung-ho attacking one then our 4-1-4-1 should have been more than capable of exploting the space left behind when they attacked. We had a centre half in the holding role, two wingers capable of getting box-to-box repeatedly and pacy full backs who can cross. Add to that Fuller's ability on the ball and the players should have been switched on enough to be filling those spaces and generating more chances. You don't want your manager always changing things to accomodate the opposition's tactics - remember Stevenage away - instead you want the players to show some nous on the pitch. We had enough hardworking players to soak up some pressure and then attack with pace and overload them. We didn't though, we let them charge on and sat deeper and deeper and basically invited them to score. If we can't take our chances and the players fall apart tactically under pressure then we may as well have Mourinho for all the difference it would make. I don't think Powell's infallible but I also think that due to the reverse-Charlton effect (also inflicted on Waggy) he sometimes gets more criticism than he deserves based on people thinking he gets a free ride for being one of ours. Which is a madness you can only get on here
The story of our season yesterday, we've missed so many chances and could make games so much easier for ourselves. It happened so many times this season and probably will continue to give away points till the end of the season. Not blaming Powell but ffs can we stop throwing away leads. Most worrying is two weeks in a row we've conceded and we've fallen to pieces straight away and they've gone and taken the lead about 4 minutes after the first goal. Is that a sign of low confidence or something else but we can't keep allowing this to happen.
Yesterday's loss wasn't down to Powell's tactical failings. Why is it that Powell gets the pelters for our players' tendency to give up on their jobs? If Holloway changed his formation to a gung-ho attacking one then our 4-1-4-1 should have been more than capable of exploting the space left behind when they attacked. We had a centre half in the holding role, two wingers capable of getting box-to-box repeatedly and pacy full backs who can cross. Add to that Fuller's ability on the ball and the players should have been switched on enough to be filling those spaces and generating more chances. You don't want your manager always changing things to accomodate the opposition's tactics - remember Stevenage away - instead you want the players to show some nous on the pitch. We had enough hardworking players to soak up some pressure and then attack with pace and overload them. We didn't though, we let them charge on and sat deeper and deeper and basically invited them to score. If we can't take our chances and the players fall apart tactically under pressure then we may as well have Mourinho for all the difference it would make. I don't think Powell's infallible but I also think that due to the reverse-Charlton effect (also inflicted on Waggy) he sometimes gets more criticism than he deserves based on people thinking he gets a free ride for being one of ours. Which is a madness you can only get on here
We did exactly the same against Wednesday. Invited them onto us and got punished. We got away with that tactic last season because we had more quality than most opposition. In this league it's different. Great post btw.
Interesting observation from a friend of mine who is a Palace season ticket holder was that Hamer's tactics of trying to slow the game helped Palace get back int0 the match and it got the crowd behind their team. He was impressed, as so he should be, by Solley particularly in his handling of Zaha in the first half
Thought we were comfortable for 60 mins and if we had taken 1 of our chances b4 they got back in it then would have been all over . Hamer was unlucky to slip at the vital moment . Was very pissed off at the end but that's life we pick ourselves off the floor and move on . 3 more wins to confirm safety then see wot happens in the summer
For the record - I love CP, I want him to succeed, I am willing him to succeed, I am willing to give him as much time as he needs, I do not want him sacked.
Unfortunately I don't own the Club. I am not sure those at the top will give him either the time he needs or the necessary financial backing he needs. Just my opinion mind.
Yesterday's loss wasn't down to Powell's tactical failings. Why is it that Powell gets the pelters for our players' tendency to give up on their jobs? If Holloway changed his formation to a gung-ho attacking one then our 4-1-4-1 should have been more than capable of exploting the space left behind when they attacked. We had a centre half in the holding role, two wingers capable of getting box-to-box repeatedly and pacy full backs who can cross. Add to that Fuller's ability on the ball and the players should have been switched on enough to be filling those spaces and generating more chances. You don't want your manager always changing things to accomodate the opposition's tactics - remember Stevenage away - instead you want the players to show some nous on the pitch. We had enough hardworking players to soak up some pressure and then attack with pace and overload them. We didn't though, we let them charge on and sat deeper and deeper and basically invited them to score. If we can't take our chances and the players fall apart tactically under pressure then we may as well have Mourinho for all the difference it would make. I don't think Powell's infallible but I also think that due to the reverse-Charlton effect (also inflicted on Waggy) he sometimes gets more criticism than he deserves based on people thinking he gets a free ride for being one of ours. Which is a madness you can only get on here
I thought it was a bad dream, but no we did get beat.
Haven't read most other views so probably a repeat of others but got to get this out as part of the healing process.
First half there was no doubt we were excellent. Palace are a team where if you give them space and time to play the ball their quick wingers will get behind players and will be making the opposition eat their dust. We were hustling every palace player on the ball so there were no easy passes for them to play. Bolasie and Zaha tried switching flanks to see if they would have any more luck and no, Evina and Solly were superb. I was hoping we would come out in the second half with the idea of more the same, play keep ball and press them up the pitch as Murray is a dangerous in the box striker.
So why straight from the start of the second did we sit back like it was the last 5-10 minutes of a game? Straight away letting them run at us.
Like the Wednesday game you could see which players were tired, but no sub.... I love Pritch but said to my mate he needs to come off as their 20 came on and was running at him and past him for fun. He was shattered.
Hard to take because our first half performance warranted at least a point.
I totally agreed with the guy next to me when he said "It's worse as no one stands out as having a bad game". Lapses in concentration are costing us big goals.
100% back Powell. However the last two games have shown he needs help in recognising how to counter the oppositions change in tactics. This season is a big learning curve for him with the better quality players and managers he is coming up against and so far he has done a great job.
just sat down again at my laptop again after deciding to give up reading this for a few hours. After reading the many comments & views on here I have come up with these views.
Too many "in CP we trust" for my liking............they said that about the captain of the Titanic and looked what happened there !
strikers generally win games & we had more strikers on the bench than in the starting 11 - you don't win too many games that way
sod 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 or 4-3-3......... this is football & not netball - all 11 men can run anywhere at any time, so just get the ball to the men furthest forward more often.
football is an easy game - all you have to do is score more goals than the opposition. That being the case why stop at 1 after 20 mins when you have another 70 mins to play. Score 3 goals in a game and the chances of losing are fairly small.
CP may be "learning" as a manager, but he doesn;t seem to be learning fast enough. I don't want my club to be a learning ground for incompetent managers, so a meassage to CP -either learn fast or ship out and go learn your trade elsewhere.
Never managed a team then Golfie!
No, but played in a fair few up until the age of 30 so know something about the game.
Also, reading more posts on here about how we have thrown away games after going 1-0 up I have a suggestion.................why don't we let the first goal in and then we chase the game - CP will then have to abandon his defensive formation, go 4 up top ala David Jones & Ian Holloway and snatch victory in the last minute !!!!
I've learnt the Curbishley way. Don't let highs be too high, and lows be too low. It's not worth it. It's all short term emotions. If we win next week people will start talking about an outside chance of the play offs. Relax and have a curry.
You could have been 3 nil up in the first half. I was sure we were going to lose. Glad I was proved wrong and taking 6 points off you guys is sweet.
Nice to see you sell out your allocation for once, that what the loudest I've ever heard you guys sing, so well done (though your red and white army song which you sung over and over and over again is a copy of our red & blue army.....) For long periods after you were 1 nil up you seemed quiet to me? Slipping back into old ways I guess, as you lot arent known for your noise.
If people can recall, how we started games away at the beginning of the season and the tactic to beat us was to go at us - Derby- Forest because we sat back too much. It is now our weakness in the final quarter of games when we have something to defend. Chrissy sorted the first issue out and our away record is excellent. I would say, he is learning the division still. That doesn't mean he should be sacked!!!
The thing is though, it is the same problem- you have to carry a threat. Why doesn't every side start with effectively 5 up front - simples- because it is a suicidal formation that can be picked apart. But when you are losing and not looking like you can get back into it, it is the only way to go, especially if your opponents want to hold what they have. It's like saying, I dare you to open up a bit and counter this. When you are one up with 20 minutes to go, it is tempting not to do this, but it gives a formation with inherent weaknesses strength if you fail to do so,
Despite, what was a commanding first half performance- I feared this would happen. I knew Holloway would do this and early - as I know he is that sort of manager and I knew Powell wouldn't respond as I know he is that sort of manager too. But those comments about them being better - that is rubbish -we haven't bossed a team like we did in the first half away for some time. Credit to Powell for getting the starting tactics right.
Powell has put a very good side together, we have won our last two then thrown the game away and won the three before that.The jump between us being a top six side is very small IMO. The suggestion he should be replaced by Paul Hart is rubbish, but maybe he should sit down with Paul Hart, Keith Peacock and discuss the tactics. He is a young manager and I believe he will be a great manager. I have seen the evidence that Chrissy learns from his mistakes, and sometimes you need to make them to learn from them. I think he is the man to take us back to the promised land - yes I was critical of him today but I don't want anybody else in charge, and nor should any other right thinking fan.
Good post, Muttley.
Those who have merely "watched the goals" will have a skewed view of the game as a whole and should pay some attention to those who actually made the trip.
However, as Muttley inferred, surely the best form of defence is attack and this is my one criticism of the gaffer as I posted last night . Danny Haynes running at their defenders for the last 15 mins makes my mouth water !
Was staggered how quiet they were, even after the equaliser. 15,000 home fans when chasing promotion is small time. Never seen such a large police operation, but, no problem - as long as the ultras forked out for it - mooched along to Norwod Junction, got on train, fine, couple of beers at All Bar One
Pre match bevvies in The Portmanor - was ok half a dozen of us keeping quiet and watching footie on moody foreign stream (Market Porter shut at 11.50 ??).
Gutted we lost, bossed first hour and should of been couple of goals up by ht
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He will get there ... And if you lot havnt got the patience for it maybe you should "ship out"
Rarely does one side have dominance for 90 minutes. I doubt changes would have made a difference.
When we were dominant we only scored 1 goal, they managed 2. Improving our finishing costs money.
You could say we were unlucky and the team played really well today.
COYR's.
The thing is though, it is the same problem- you have to carry a threat. Why doesn't every side start with effectively 5 up front - simples- because it is a suicidal formation that can be picked apart. But when you are losing and not looking like you can get back into it, it is the only way to go, especially if your opponents want to hold what they have. It's like saying, I dare you to open up a bit and counter this. When you are one up with 20 minutes to go, it is tempting not to do this, but it gives a formation with inherent weaknesses strength if you fail to do so,
Despite, what was a commanding first half performance- I feared this would happen. I knew Holloway would do this and early - as I know he is that sort of manager and I knew Powell wouldn't respond as I know he is that sort of manager too. But those comments about them being better - that is rubbish -we haven't bossed a team like we did in the first half away for some time. Credit to Powell for getting the starting tactics right.
Powell has put a very good side together, we have won our last two then thrown the game away and won the three before that.The jump between us being a top six side is very small IMO. The suggestion he should be replaced by Paul Hart is rubbish, but maybe he should sit down with Paul Hart, Keith Peacock and discuss the tactics. He is a young manager and I believe he will be a great manager. I have seen the evidence that Chrissy learns from his mistakes, and sometimes you need to make them to learn from them. I think he is the man to take us back to the promised land - yes I was critical of him today but I don't want anybody else in charge, and nor should any other right thinking fan.
Was given a new squad and made us champions, this season was all about consolidation.
We did exactly the same against Wednesday. Invited them onto us and got punished. We got away with that tactic last season because we had more quality than most opposition. In this league it's different. Great post btw.
Unfortunately I don't own the Club. I am not sure those at the top will give him either the time he needs or the necessary financial backing he needs. Just my opinion mind.
Now, is that understood?
Haven't read most other views so probably a repeat of others but got to get this out as part of the healing process.
First half there was no doubt we were excellent. Palace are a team where if you give them space and time to play the ball their quick wingers will get behind players and will be making the opposition eat their dust. We were hustling every palace player on the ball so there were no easy passes for them to play. Bolasie and Zaha tried switching flanks to see if they would have any more luck and no, Evina and Solly were superb. I was hoping we would come out in the second half with the idea of more the same, play keep ball and press them up the pitch as Murray is a dangerous in the box striker.
So why straight from the start of the second did we sit back like it was the last 5-10 minutes of a game? Straight away letting them run at us.
Like the Wednesday game you could see which players were tired, but no sub.... I love Pritch but said to my mate he needs to come off as their 20 came on and was running at him and past him for fun. He was shattered.
Hard to take because our first half performance warranted at least a point.
I totally agreed with the guy next to me when he said "It's worse as no one stands out as having a bad game". Lapses in concentration are costing us big goals.
100% back Powell. However the last two games have shown he needs help in recognising how to counter the oppositions change in tactics. This season is a big learning curve for him with the better quality players and managers he is coming up against and so far he has done a great job.
No, but played in a fair few up until the age of 30 so know something about the game.
Also, reading more posts on here about how we have thrown away games after going 1-0 up I have a suggestion.................why don't we let the first goal in and then we chase the game - CP will then have to abandon his defensive formation, go 4 up top ala David Jones & Ian Holloway and snatch victory in the last minute !!!!
Nice to see you sell out your allocation for once, that what the loudest I've ever heard you guys sing, so well done (though your red and white army song which you sung over and over and over again is a copy of our red & blue army.....) For long periods after you were 1 nil up you seemed quiet to me? Slipping back into old ways I guess, as you lot arent known for your noise.
The smokes and flare looked good.
Those who have merely "watched the goals" will have a skewed view of the game as a whole and should pay some attention to those who actually made the trip.
However, as Muttley inferred, surely the best form of defence is attack and this is my one criticism of the gaffer as I posted last night . Danny Haynes running at their defenders for the last 15 mins makes my mouth water !
Apart from that - yes, Golfie, in SCP I trust.
Pre match bevvies in The Portmanor - was ok half a dozen of us keeping quiet and watching footie on moody foreign stream (Market Porter shut at 11.50 ??).
Gutted we lost, bossed first hour and should of been couple of goals up by ht