My mate said to me 'You poke a Lion and it will bite back'. I said 'you stab a Lion with a sword and it dies'. Idle threats.
I hope you looked him straight in the eye and had some suitably dramatic music in the background when you said that.
Oh, somber panio I think, by text. This is friendly banter with Millwall mates, who i've known since school days, will be on the booze with them in a couple of weeks. Gonna wind them up some more, like how took over the toolbox on the 1st, should have them in fits.
A big well done to the players for not scoring a late winner imagine how provocative/irresponsible that would have been......the wrath of the Millwall hordes coming to lay waste to SE7 in March would have been multiplied beyond comprehension.
Whilst agreeing with the other "Ol' Gits" on here, I think that the seat/flare/smokebomb will still put CAFC in a "little trouble". MFC have reported these things to the FL, and, I think, that CAFC will pay the price by less seats next time & a financial penalty. No more worried than usual about the spanners in SE7 next March though.
Do you remember the pub on Blackheath last time P ?
Whilst agreeing with the other "Ol' Gits" on here, I think that the seat/flare/smokebomb will still put CAFC in a "little trouble". MFC have reported these things to the FL, and, I think, that CAFC will pay the price by less seats next time & a financial penalty. No more worried than usual about the spanners in SE7 next March though.
Do you remember the pub on Blackheath last time P ?
Yep....friendly blighters in the Standard wasn't they ? Oh how we laughed.......
I do not think the flare will result in any more trouble than there would have been anyway. I went to a pub full of Millwall fans afterwards and a lot of them enjoyed the fact we brought nearly 3500 vocal fans. Surprisingly a lot of Millwall fans are just normal people like the rest of us who go to football to let of some steam and have a laugh. They will bring 500 idiots intent on trouble but that was and will always be the case.
Quiet amusing that suddenly Palace are forgotten as being our biggest rivals ! Which has always been bollocks in my eyes. I've hated Millwall for 50 years, and by that I mean what they do and stand for, individually most of them same as us. Never missed games home or away when they were at the old den, and believe it or not there were actual toe to toe fights, in the car park outside alderton road after most games. So, can not imagine, the serious old firm getting out of bed for a flare, a seat and a flooded bog .
Plus they will get 3000 tickets, season ticket holders only, where are the once a year mob gonna get tickets ? Home areas ? Calm down everyone it's not the first time we have pissed them off, and assure you in the past it's been worse than sat. Perhaps just not as public.
The rankings on their forums are from dickhead wannabes ! Postings asking why the young uns from Pecham, New cross, lewishan, Bermondsey etc didn,t sort us. I thought these areas were controlled by young black males stabbing each other over a post code ! So the white Millwall young uns are not exactly even running things at home.
Move on. Brighton Saturday, same vocal support most welcome.
My opinion is: flares and smoke add the square root of fuck all to the atmosphere. That's not me being "miserable" or condemning others' attempts to improve it. I just fail to see a correlation between their use and a louder crowd.
I'm also not saying "don't bring them" - do what you want.
ramifications ????????????????? where the f++k have some of you been ? dont you remember the last home game where they said they would smash the valley and charlton to bits? or the "friendly at smallwall where they turned up at the valley at 8 pm put the windows through at the club shop and smashed a hairdressers up? as for beatings and stabbings by these c++ts dont you think thats happened before ????? where were u when they use to take the whole ground over and march round stomping on people they recognised ? where were you when they use to turn up at our games and steam in with the opposition ?? or they would turn up on peoples door steps-------------you wonder why some of us hate them ?? and we are supposed to be worried because some twat hrew a flare and a bog got smashed up FFS some of you need to get a life but better still LEARN the history.
I've been reading this thread with interest and didn't really intend to comment but if you want to talk about history, then as an "old-timer" you might want to bear this in mind.
In our 74/75 promotion season, I was a young man and went to a lot of away games. Charlton had quite a "lively" away support that season, frankly mis-behaved at quite a few away games and started to get quite a reputation. I can remember a lot of trouble at Aldershot and Brighton and the away trip to Walsall was one never to be forgotten - I remember arriving at Birmingham New Street and seeing Charlton's finest chase off Man Utd's Cockney reds- at the time one of the most feared bunch of supporters - with ease. That was the start of a never to be forgotten afternoon that even made the Birmingham evening newspapers! And when people talk about large away support, the trip for the last away game of the season to Chesterfield seldom gets mentioned which always surprises me because the special train that went that day was packed to the rafters with South London's finest!
The reason I mention this is I can remember a lot of people saying at the time that the next time we played Millwall it would be interesting. Well it was - but not in the way many imagined. The following season, Charlton played Millwall in an early pre-season friendly in the Kent County Cup and Millwall, who were obviously aware of what was going on at Charlton, came down in force to prove they were still South London's number 1. I have never seen fighting like it at the Valley as that evening as the Millwall scumbags ran riot both inside and outside the ground - after the game was particularly terrifying as anyone who looked even remotely like a Charlton fan got walloped in Floyd Road.
I hope history doesn't repeat itself again and I make no apologies for saying that if some of our fans want to give it large from the comparitive safety of the upper tier at Millwall, then just make sure you know where this can lead to. My fear is that if Millwall do decide to repeat history, then a lot of ordinary Charlton fans who want f**k all to do with this are going to be put in danger. And that frankly is unforgiveable.
Well said, Sir. I've got so much I could add to this but I don't want to be accused of scaremongering.
There will be damage in the Jimmy Seed Stand, there will be isolated incidents with them in home areas, some poor innocent sod will get a kicking for being a Charlton fan and there will be trouble in at least 1 pub in the local area. Will this occur because a flare was thrown on Saturday? Or will it happen because it happens everytime they visit.
Lets lets not try and hide behind Saturdays events as some sort of justification of what may or may not ocur in March.
On Saturday our support was fantastic (i.e getting behind the team) and it really gets me how because of the actions of 2 or 3 out of 3,600 we have all been accussed of shaming the club when the truth is the vast majority were a credit to our club.
I appreciate watching the professional game has changed over the years. I did not witness Saturdays' "trouble" but in terms of crowd behaviour in comparison to occurrences in the 70's & 80"s the events do appear modest in scale. Had the internet been available in that period I dread to think of the dialogue exchanged.
Improved facilities & crowd management have limited the opportunities of those wishing to "add an edge" to their tribal experience. With consequent improved crowd behaviour any incident(s) will always gain greater attention but there has always been elements attached to league clubs who seek to enhance their enjoyment of "the game" beyond the match being played out on the pitch.
No matter whose "colours" they wear the fact any "extra curricular activity" may impact on the safety, well being or enjoyment of others has never been and never will be considered by those who participate in such activities and for many (like some miscreant child) any indignant/ critical reposte seems to often affirm even heighten the "testosterone rush".
In truth I suspect many of us would have little problem with the nature of "a harder element" of support being provided for the team on the proviso it did not involve racial abuse, violence, vandalism and /or reckless behaviour.
The absence of such elements are values most of us live our lives by and there never has been and never will be a reason for such values to be thrown out the window in the name of supporting a football club.
Smashing stadium seating is vandalism. Unless it presented some life threatening impediment there can be no justification for such an action. Forget tribalism it was a cowardly anonymous act of base wanton self indulgence - no more - no less. To then dispatch the debris of such endeavours into a crowd of your OWN supporters merely reinforces the selfish recklessness of the action.
Taking a smokebomb or flare to a crowded football match is beyond foolish. Igniting such incendiary/ chemical devices and launching them indiscriminately inside a crowded stadia with the inherent potential for panic is criminal endangerment.
The events at Millwall have, for the time being, passed without apparently any serious consequence but that has has nothing to do with perpetrators.
Whatever response such events generate in the future we will have to see.
It is probably time to move on but I suspect there will be many who will be watching with a closer interest as to whether Saturday was a one off or the start of a changing dynamic within the support for the club. I do wonder what any potential future investors may conclude.
However as we move on can we please do away with the false bravado such incidents seem to generate. It is complete and utter b****cks. As anyone who witnessed the excesses of the 70"s and 80's knows only to well such events display anything but bravado being normally perpetated by mobs seizing on any (normally completely innocent) individual they can get their hands on.
Those who seem happy to endorse such actions should think again. There are elements who will feel empowered by your "tacit" support and who will seek to escalate such behaviour. Next time may not end without injury and sadly it is more often than not the innocent bystander that suffers the consequences.
Finally can we please do away with all the pathetic insults to those members who have expressed their grave concerns at the events of the weekend. For most it is not a question of personal safety or fear it is quite simply the wish to position the pastime that they so greatly enjoy on a personal and often shared family basis in line with the same values they live the rest of their lives by.
On what possible basis do people think they have the right to impact that?
I appreciate watching the professional game has changed over the years. I did not witness Saturdays' "trouble" but in terms of crowd behaviour in comparison to occurrences in the 70's & 80"s the events do appear modest in scale. Had the internet been available in that period I dread to think of the dialogue exchanged.
Improved facilities & crowd management have limited the opportunities of those wishing to "add an edge" to their tribal experience. With consequent improved crowd behaviour any incident(s) will always gain greater attention but there has always been elements attached to league clubs who seek to enhance their enjoyment of "the game" beyond the match being played out on the pitch.
No matter whose "colours" they wear the fact any "extra curricular activity" may impact on the safety, well being or enjoyment of others has never been and never will be considered by those who participate in such activities and for many (like some miscreant child) any indignant/ critical reposte seems to often affirm even heighten the "testosterone rush".
In truth I suspect many of us would have little problem with the nature of "a harder element" of support being provided for the team on the proviso it did not involve racial abuse, violence, vandalism and /or reckless behaviour.
The absence of such elements are values most of us live our lives by and there never has been and never will be a reason for such values to be thrown out the window in the name of supporting a football club.
Smashing stadium seating is vandalism. Unless it presented some life threatening impediment there can be no justification for such an action. Forget tribalism it was a cowardly anonymous act of base wanton self indulgence - no more - no less. To then dispatch the debris of such endeavours into a crowd of your OWN supporters merely reinforces the selfish recklessness of the action.
Taking a smokebomb or flare to a crowded football match is beyond foolish. Igniting such incendiary/ chemical devices and launching them indiscriminately inside a crowded stadia with the inherent potential for panic is criminal endangerment.
The events at Millwall have, for the time being, passed without apparently any serious consequence but that has has nothing to do with perpetrators.
Whatever response such events generate in the future we will have to see.
It is probably time to move on but I suspect there will be many who will be watching with a closer interest as to whether Saturday was a one off or the start of a changing dynamic within the support for the club. I do wonder what any potential future investors may conclude.
However as we move on can we please do away with the false bravado such incidents seem to generate. It is complete and utter b****cks. As anyone who witnessed the excesses of the 70"s and 80's knows only to well such events display anything but bravado being normally perpetated by mobs seizing on any (normally completely innocent) individual they can get their hands on.
Those who seem happy to endorse such actions should think again. There are elements who will feel empowered by your "tacit" support and who will seek to escalate such behaviour. Next time may not end without injury and sadly it is more often than not the innocent bystander that suffers the consequences.
Finally can we please do away with all the pathetic insults to those members who have expressed their grave concerns at the events of the weekend. For most it is not a question of personal safety or fear it is quite simply the wish to position the pastime that they so greatly enjoy on a personal and often shared family basis in line with the same values they live the rest of their lives by.
On what possible basis do people think they have the right to impact that?
Aaarrrrrrrgggghh the over reactions are hurting me now
Fair one if flares are not for you and throwing seats is stupid but don't be scared of those morons and don't let it put you off the home game. If anything let it encourage you to go. I hate millwall and everything about them and how they behaved afterwards didn't surprise me in the slightest, we have fans who do the same though on Floyd road where it's safe and a copper is there to tell you to shut your mouth. They are bullies simple as and for once they did not bully us.
And for all of this nonsense about financial penalties for the club, if we get a more severe punishment for throwing a flare and seat than they will for the racial abuse given out to our players and remarked about, or for them having to have a cage from the train platform to the away end because they can't behave themselves then that proves how cowardly the fa are.
They will always turn up and create at the valley because it is what they do and will always do because nothing is done about them, the two fat old blokes outside the ground on Saturday could have had a swipe at anyone they wanted to and were picking on people knowing that if they got given a thump whatever charlton fan did it would have 20 millwall fans jumping on their heads and the old bill were there, it was bullying and they know it. Fucks sake these blokes were in their forties or fifties, trust me our support is not going all millwall. Standing up to them maybe but not turning into them by any stretch
"Leftie" isnt an insult Colt its a statement .They all need burning of course and a possible use for a spare flare.
Grapevine why do you and others think that the small issues at Smallwall would make any difference to the way that scum act at Charlton ? they have done it for decades.
Why on earth would anyone wish to cower behind your sofas two days after the game in fear of what may happen months away ? just because a bunch of bollox is spouted in some cyber hoolie land . get hold of your gonads !
not commented as yet but I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this thread.
The singing to wind them up was good although I'm not sure whether the Jeremy Kyle song inspires the team or not but flares, smoke bombs, throwing seats, smashing up bogs etc isn't something I want our Club associated with. We chant 'no-one likes you cause you're scum' but carry on as we did Saturday and someone will be singing it to us.
PL 54 maybe we should say sorry ? its Christmas after all------send em some pince pies ? maybe a few apples for their horses and a bottle or two of widowlean to do the caravan windows ?-------its the thought that counts.
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Have you seen them reported anywhere else than here
Plus they will get 3000 tickets, season ticket holders only, where are the once a year mob gonna get tickets ? Home areas ? Calm down everyone it's not the first time we have pissed them off, and assure you in the past it's been worse than sat. Perhaps just not as public.
The rankings on their forums are from dickhead wannabes ! Postings asking why the young uns from Pecham, New cross, lewishan, Bermondsey etc didn,t sort us. I thought these areas were controlled by young black males stabbing each other over a post code ! So the white Millwall young uns are not exactly even running things at home.
Move on. Brighton Saturday, same vocal support most welcome.
My opinion is: flares and smoke add the square root of fuck all to the atmosphere. That's not me being "miserable" or condemning others' attempts to improve it. I just fail to see a correlation between their use and a louder crowd.
I'm also not saying "don't bring them" - do what you want.
Lets lets not try and hide behind Saturdays events as some sort of justification of what may or may not ocur in March.
On Saturday our support was fantastic (i.e getting behind the team) and it really gets me how because of the actions of 2 or 3 out of 3,600 we have all been accussed of shaming the club when the truth is the vast majority were a credit to our club.
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Improved facilities & crowd management have limited the opportunities of those wishing to "add an edge" to their tribal experience. With consequent improved crowd behaviour any incident(s) will always gain greater attention but there has always been elements attached to league clubs who seek to enhance their enjoyment of "the game" beyond the match being played out on the pitch.
No matter whose "colours" they wear the fact any "extra curricular activity" may impact on the safety, well being or enjoyment of others has never been and never will be considered by those who participate in such activities and for many (like some miscreant child) any indignant/ critical reposte seems to often affirm even heighten the "testosterone rush".
In truth I suspect many of us would have little problem with the nature of "a harder element" of support being provided for the team on the proviso it did not involve racial abuse, violence, vandalism and /or reckless behaviour.
The absence of such elements are values most of us live our lives by and there never has been and never will be a reason for such values to be thrown out the window in the name of supporting a football club.
Smashing stadium seating is vandalism. Unless it presented some life threatening impediment there can be no justification for such an action. Forget tribalism it was a cowardly anonymous act of base wanton self indulgence - no more - no less. To then dispatch the debris of such endeavours into a crowd of your OWN supporters merely reinforces the selfish recklessness of the action.
Taking a smokebomb or flare to a crowded football match is beyond foolish. Igniting such incendiary/ chemical devices and launching them indiscriminately inside a crowded stadia with the inherent potential for panic is criminal endangerment.
The events at Millwall have, for the time being, passed without apparently any serious consequence but that has has nothing to do with perpetrators.
Whatever response such events generate in the future we will have to see.
It is probably time to move on but I suspect there will be many who will be watching with a closer interest as to whether Saturday was a one off or the start of a changing dynamic within the support for the club. I do wonder what any potential future investors may conclude.
However as we move on can we please do away with the false bravado such incidents seem to generate. It is complete and utter b****cks. As anyone who witnessed the excesses of the 70"s and 80's knows only to well such events display anything but bravado being normally perpetated by mobs seizing on any (normally completely innocent) individual they can get their hands on.
Those who seem happy to endorse such actions should think again. There are elements who will feel empowered by your "tacit" support and who will seek to escalate such behaviour. Next time may not end without injury and sadly it is more often than not the innocent bystander that suffers the consequences.
Finally can we please do away with all the pathetic insults to those members who have expressed their grave concerns at the events of the weekend. For most it is not a question of personal safety or fear it is quite simply the wish to position the pastime that they so greatly enjoy on a personal and often shared family basis in line with the same values they live the rest of their lives by.
On what possible basis do people think they have the right to impact that?
Grapevine49
Fair one if flares are not for you and throwing seats is stupid but don't be scared of those morons and don't let it put you off the home game. If anything let it encourage you to go. I hate millwall and everything about them and how they behaved afterwards didn't surprise me in the slightest, we have fans who do the same though on Floyd road where it's safe and a copper is there to tell you to shut your mouth. They are bullies simple as and for once they did not bully us.
And for all of this nonsense about financial penalties for the club, if we get a more severe punishment for throwing a flare and seat than they will for the racial abuse given out to our players and remarked about, or for them having to have a cage from the train platform to the away end because they can't behave themselves then that proves how cowardly the fa are.
They will always turn up and create at the valley because it is what they do and will always do because nothing is done about them, the two fat old blokes outside the ground on Saturday could have had a swipe at anyone they wanted to and were picking on people knowing that if they got given a thump whatever charlton fan did it would have 20 millwall fans jumping on their heads and the old bill were there, it was bullying and they know it. Fucks sake these blokes were in their forties or fifties, trust me our support is not going all millwall. Standing up to them maybe but not turning into them by any stretch
Grapevine why do you and others think that the small issues at Smallwall would make any difference to the way that scum act at Charlton ? they have done it for decades.
Why on earth would anyone wish to cower behind your sofas two days after the game in fear of what may happen months away ? just because a bunch of bollox is spouted in some cyber hoolie land . get hold of your gonads !
The singing to wind them up was good although I'm not sure whether the Jeremy Kyle song inspires the team or not but flares, smoke bombs, throwing seats, smashing up bogs etc isn't something I want our Club associated with. We chant 'no-one likes you cause you're scum' but carry on as we did Saturday and someone will be singing it to us.
All in all a bad day in my opinion.