"We lose Powell, we go down" is a very good phrase to explain our position. He's a really good young manager whose still learning and yes he makes mistakes, but I think everyones forgetting than in his two full seasons we won League 1 with triple figure points and last season finished in the top half of the table with a team barely changed from League 1. Give him time to do his magic and I believe he'll pull us through.
Excellent post. I would still support the guy even if we went down. Do not have rose tinted glasses but have got to look at the limited funds he has to work with.
Completely agree, I wrote elsewhere that I disagree that Powell should go.
We have absolutely no money so who exactly can we attract given that a) they'd be working almost pro bono and b) they'd have very little scope to bring in their own players/coaching staff.
I think Powell is the one man who can get enough out of these players to keep us up, fire him and I think you increase our chances of relegation manifold times.
There's no excuse for yesterday but in general I think the contract situation is playing on the players minds (indeed this was pretty much stated by Yann at the Eltham Addicks meeting) - its hard to ask for commitment from players when we're offering none in return.
"We lose Powell, we go down" is a very good phrase to explain our position. He's a really good young manager whose still learning and yes he makes mistakes, but I think everyones forgetting than in his two full seasons we won League 1 with triple figure points and last season finished in the top half of the table with a team barely changed from League 1. Give him time to do his magic and I believe he'll pull us through.
Excellent post. I would still support the guy even if we went down. Do not have rose tinted glasses but have got to look at the limited funds he has to work with.
Completely agree, I wrote elsewhere that I disagree that Powell should go.
We have absolutely no money so who exactly can we attract given that a) they'd be working almost pro bono and b) they'd have very little scope to bring in their own players/coaching staff.
I think Powell is the one man who can get enough out of these players to keep us up, fire him and I think you increase our chances of relegation manifold times.
There's no excuse for yesterday but in general I think the contract situation is playing on the players minds (indeed this was pretty much stated by Yann at the Eltham Addicks meeting) - its hard to ask for commitment from players when we're offering none in return.
Do you think Powell should stay even if performances and results do not improve. As for the contract situation the results against Leicester, Watford and Huddersfield would support your views
"We lose Powell, we go down" is a very good phrase to explain our position. He's a really good young manager whose still learning and yes he makes mistakes, but I think everyones forgetting than in his two full seasons we won League 1 with triple figure points and last season finished in the top half of the table with a team barely changed from League 1. Give him time to do his magic and I believe he'll pull us through.
Excellent post. I would still support the guy even if we went down. Do not have rose tinted glasses but have got to look at the limited funds he has to work with.
Completely agree, I wrote elsewhere that I disagree that Powell should go.
We have absolutely no money so who exactly can we attract given that a) they'd be working almost pro bono and b) they'd have very little scope to bring in their own players/coaching staff.
I think Powell is the one man who can get enough out of these players to keep us up, fire him and I think you increase our chances of relegation manifold times.
There's no excuse for yesterday but in general I think the contract situation is playing on the players minds (indeed this was pretty much stated by Yann at the Eltham Addicks meeting) - its hard to ask for commitment from players when we're offering none in return.
Do you think Powell should stay even if performances and results do not improve. As for the contract situation the results against Leicester, Watford and Huddersfield would support your views
I just think that we've been down this road before. There is no point sacking a manager without a viable alternative. If someone can suggest an alternative that is willing to work within our constraints then I'm all ears but realistically what manager of good enough calibre to improve us is going to be attracted to this job ?
He still has my 100% backing and unlike last night I say that as a sober man. (Apologies to the various Lifers I abused and insulted yesterday.)
Whilst I accept and respect your views... We are playing long ball football, picking wrong formations, playing players in the wrong positions and who aren't showing great form plus the fight has disappeared- are you sure your backing shouldn't be lower? remember that CP has chosen the loanees and picks a side to win plus does the training and tactics. I think he needs some help. The above tells me we are going backwards. I can't give him my total backing but I do want him to improve and succeed - the club is bigger than any individual.
I think the manager needs some help - Dyer offers nothing as a number 2 - Paul Hart should be around on match days - I don't see it as a weakness to receive experience!
How can you possibly know that Dyer doesn't offer anything ? Ridiculous comment from a fan without a clue.
Tell me what he does? He never challenges CP does he? I never see encouragement or animation? Why is he there?
Genuinely,I'd like to know what you'd expect to see because I don't think in all my years watching football I've seen a no.2 doing theatrics that may satisfy what you want . What ever he did in the previous two seasons worked didn't it and as normal I didn't really notice much from our no.2 a bit like when we had those horrible times with big merv as our no.2
I think the manager needs some help - Dyer offers nothing as a number 2 - Paul Hart should be around on match days - I don't see it as a weakness to receive experience!
How can you possibly know that Dyer doesn't offer anything ? Ridiculous comment from a fan without a clue.
Just seen this and you have just won yourself the clueless poster of the month award! You only have to compare our dead ball moves with, for example, Eddie Howe's at the Cherries to see that we are sorely lacking when it comes to attacking coaching which should be Dyer's brief as a former attacking player.
Big Andy makes a valid comment as mentoring is an extremely important part of a learning process which in itself may explain why CP has not developed as some would have liked. Why do I make this statement? The selection of Hughesy and Gower as twin CMs at Dean Court was the most amazing selections given that Howe always sets his team up with drive and movement in the midfield area to which the gaffer selects a pair with a combined age of 71.
I think the manager needs some help - Dyer offers nothing as a number 2 - Paul Hart should be around on match days - I don't see it as a weakness to receive experience!
How can you possibly know that Dyer doesn't offer anything ? Ridiculous comment from a fan without a clue.
Tell me what he does? He never challenges CP does he? I never see encouragement or animation? Why is he there?
Genuinely,I'd like to know what you'd expect to see because I don't think in all my years watching football I've seen a no.2 doing theatrics that may satisfy what you want . What ever he did in the previous two seasons worked didn't it and as normal I didn't really notice much from our no.2 a bit like when we had those horrible times with big merv as our no.2
I'm probably wrong but I feel that CP is very much on his own - they should be a team and be seen to be a team. A coach should get involved in my opinion, that's all. When the chips are down, he should be getting more involved...
"We lose Powell, we go down" is a very good phrase to explain our position. He's a really good young manager whose still learning and yes he makes mistakes, but I think everyones forgetting than in his two full seasons we won League 1 with triple figure points and last season finished in the top half of the table with a team barely changed from League 1. Give him time to do his magic and I believe he'll pull us through.
Excellent post. I would still support the guy even if we went down. Do not have rose tinted glasses but have got to look at the limited funds he has to work with.
Completely agree, I wrote elsewhere that I disagree that Powell should go.
We have absolutely no money so who exactly can we attract given that a) they'd be working almost pro bono and b) they'd have very little scope to bring in their own players/coaching staff.
I think Powell is the one man who can get enough out of these players to keep us up, fire him and I think you increase our chances of relegation manifold times.
There's no excuse for yesterday but in general I think the contract situation is playing on the players minds (indeed this was pretty much stated by Yann at the Eltham Addicks meeting) - its hard to ask for commitment from players when we're offering none in return.
Do you think Powell should stay even if performances and results do not improve. As for the contract situation the results against Leicester, Watford and Huddersfield would support your views
I just think that we've been down this road before. There is no point sacking a manager without a viable alternative. If someone can suggest an alternative that is willing to work within our constraints then I'm all ears but realistically what manager of good enough calibre to improve us is going to be attracted to this job ?
The owners wanna sell at a (ridiculous) price and in extra quick time. If successful the new owners will undoubtedly bring in their own man to spend any money allocated to player acquisition. On this basis the current board will not rock the boat as others will terminate and replace soon enough IF a deal can be brokered.
But if this is just wishful thinking on my behalf then you can't keep a failing employee in place as it will only accelerate the decline of the business. Now that is something I am qualified in commenting upon!
"We lose Powell, we go down" is a very good phrase to explain our position. He's a really good young manager whose still learning and yes he makes mistakes, but I think everyones forgetting than in his two full seasons we won League 1 with triple figure points and last season finished in the top half of the table with a team barely changed from League 1. Give him time to do his magic and I believe he'll pull us through.
Excellent post. I would still support the guy even if we went down. Do not have rose tinted glasses but have got to look at the limited funds he has to work with.
No one individual is greater than the club - if he is quality then why have we not read of interest from bigger clubs seeking a younger up and coming manager?
I think the manager needs some help - Dyer offers nothing as a number 2 - Paul Hart should be around on match days - I don't see it as a weakness to receive experience!
How can you possibly know that Dyer doesn't offer anything ? Ridiculous comment from a fan without a clue.
Just seen this and you have just won yourself the clueless poster of the month award! You only have to compare our dead ball moves with, for example, Eddie Howe's at the Cherries to see that we are sorely lacking when it comes to attacking coaching which should be Dyer's brief as a former attacking player.
Big Andy makes a valid comment as mentoring is an extremely important part of a learning process which in itself may explain why CP has not developed as some would have liked. Why do I make this statement? The selection of Hughesy and Gower as twin CMs at Dean Court was the most amazing selections given that Howe always sets his team up with drive and movement in the midfield area to which the gaffer selects a pair with a combined age of 71.
In my opinion you owe Big Andy an apology!
Thank you - your back up is appreciated. Too much has gone wrong so far - the Leicester result disguised much of it.
Paul Hart is an excellent youth set up manager. You would not want anyone other to manage the youth set up than him. If / when we get new owners who want to invest in the youth set up, I would want Paul Hart as the man to oversee the investment which would bring the Academy to a category A investment.
As a manager for the main team, there is no evidence from his record that he can manage the team. Forest had an excellent youth set up under Paul Hart but dismal first team under his management. It is not fair to Paul Hart to ask him to consider that job.
Lets hope that we get to a point of investment with no owners and that Paul Hart can help the Charlton Academy to Category A status.
Excellent post! It's all about horses for courses and PH has great quality in his field. You have to say fair play to the current owners for bringing him in to help progress the Academy - it's been said that they have been concerned that the manager needs to bring in the young uns but the inclusion of JP yesterday clearly demonstrates the potential problems of introducing Academy graduates in a tough tier 2!
"We lose Powell, we go down" is a very good phrase to explain our position. He's a really good young manager whose still learning and yes he makes mistakes, but I think everyones forgetting than in his two full seasons we won League 1 with triple figure points and last season finished in the top half of the table with a team barely changed from League 1. Give him time to do his magic and I believe he'll pull us through.
Excellent post. I would still support the guy even if we went down. Do not have rose tinted glasses but have got to look at the limited funds he has to work with.
Completely agree, I wrote elsewhere that I disagree that Powell should go.
We have absolutely no money so who exactly can we attract given that a) they'd be working almost pro bono and b) they'd have very little scope to bring in their own players/coaching staff.
I think Powell is the one man who can get enough out of these players to keep us up, fire him and I think you increase our chances of relegation manifold times.
There's no excuse for yesterday but in general I think the contract situation is playing on the players minds (indeed this was pretty much stated by Yann at the Eltham Addicks meeting) - its hard to ask for commitment from players when we're offering none in return.
Do you think Powell should stay even if performances and results do not improve. As for the contract situation the results against Leicester, Watford and Huddersfield would support your views
I just think that we've been down this road before. There is no point sacking a manager without a viable alternative. If someone can suggest an alternative that is willing to work within our constraints then I'm all ears but realistically what manager of good enough calibre to improve us is going to be attracted to this job ?
The owners wanna sell at a (ridiculous) price and in extra quick time. If successful the new owners will undoubtedly bring in their own man to spend any money allocated to player acquisition. On this basis the current board will not rock the boat as others will terminate and replace soon enough IF a deal can be brokered.
But if this is just wishful thinking on my behalf then you can't keep a failing employee in place as it will only accelerate the decline of the business. Now that is something I am qualified in commenting upon!
This old chestnut about new owners bringing in their own man....I'll ask you the same question then.
The new owners are suddenly installed next week. How can they possibly have "their own man" ? Who would it be? It really has to be somebody unemployed. Somebody good, in their current job, is not going to be able to just down tools and come to Charlton, because of something called a contract.
So who is this amazing unemployed manager who is going to take over with these new owners then? Give me some names.
As for keeping "failing" employees in place, you say you are qualified to comment. Well I reckon I am too. So I'm interested to hear what analogy you are going to bring from (presumably) the business world.
"We lose Powell, we go down" is a very good phrase to explain our position. He's a really good young manager whose still learning and yes he makes mistakes, but I think everyones forgetting than in his two full seasons we won League 1 with triple figure points and last season finished in the top half of the table with a team barely changed from League 1. Give him time to do his magic and I believe he'll pull us through.
Excellent post. I would still support the guy even if we went down. Do not have rose tinted glasses but have got to look at the limited funds he has to work with.
Completely agree, I wrote elsewhere that I disagree that Powell should go.
We have absolutely no money so who exactly can we attract given that a) they'd be working almost pro bono and b) they'd have very little scope to bring in their own players/coaching staff.
I think Powell is the one man who can get enough out of these players to keep us up, fire him and I think you increase our chances of relegation manifold times.
There's no excuse for yesterday but in general I think the contract situation is playing on the players minds (indeed this was pretty much stated by Yann at the Eltham Addicks meeting) - its hard to ask for commitment from players when we're offering none in return.
Do you think Powell should stay even if performances and results do not improve. As for the contract situation the results against Leicester, Watford and Huddersfield would support your views
I just think that we've been down this road before. There is no point sacking a manager without a viable alternative. If someone can suggest an alternative that is willing to work within our constraints then I'm all ears but realistically what manager of good enough calibre to improve us is going to be attracted to this job ?
The owners wanna sell at a (ridiculous) price and in extra quick time. If successful the new owners will undoubtedly bring in their own man to spend any money allocated to player acquisition. On this basis the current board will not rock the boat as others will terminate and replace soon enough IF a deal can be brokered.
But if this is just wishful thinking on my behalf then you can't keep a failing employee in place as it will only accelerate the decline of the business. Now that is something I am qualified in commenting upon!
This old chestnut about new owners bringing in their own man....I'll ask you the same question then.
The new owners are suddenly installed next week. How can they possibly have "their own man" ? Who would it be? It really has to be somebody unemployed. Somebody good, in their current job, is not going to be able to just down tools and come to Charlton, because of something called a contract.
So who is this amazing unemployed manager who is going to take over with these new owners then? Give me some names.
As for keeping "failing" employees in place, you say you are qualified to comment. Well I reckon I am too. So I'm interested to hear what analogy you are going to bring from (presumably) the business world.
Gus Poyet, Roberto di Matteo, Neil Warnock are all available as far as I know
"We lose Powell, we go down" is a very good phrase to explain our position. He's a really good young manager whose still learning and yes he makes mistakes, but I think everyones forgetting than in his two full seasons we won League 1 with triple figure points and last season finished in the top half of the table with a team barely changed from League 1. Give him time to do his magic and I believe he'll pull us through.
Excellent post. I would still support the guy even if we went down. Do not have rose tinted glasses but have got to look at the limited funds he has to work with.
No one individual is greater than the club - if he is quality then why have we not read of interest from bigger clubs seeking a younger up and coming manager?
You seem to be a big fan of Eddie Howe. I think he has some qualities too, but if you are off to Burnley next week perhaps you should seek their views on him. Similarly eighteen months ago Gus Poyet was supposed to be hot property. Which bigger clubs are chasing him now, when he's available? I am not convinced that either Howe ( who was rumored to be first choice) or Poyet would have done a better job than Powell has done so far. If you do, I wonder what your evidence would be.
"We lose Powell, we go down" is a very good phrase to explain our position. He's a really good young manager whose still learning and yes he makes mistakes, but I think everyones forgetting than in his two full seasons we won League 1 with triple figure points and last season finished in the top half of the table with a team barely changed from League 1. Give him time to do his magic and I believe he'll pull us through.
Excellent post. I would still support the guy even if we went down. Do not have rose tinted glasses but have got to look at the limited funds he has to work with.
Completely agree, I wrote elsewhere that I disagree that Powell should go.
We have absolutely no money so who exactly can we attract given that a) they'd be working almost pro bono and b) they'd have very little scope to bring in their own players/coaching staff.
I think Powell is the one man who can get enough out of these players to keep us up, fire him and I think you increase our chances of relegation manifold times.
There's no excuse for yesterday but in general I think the contract situation is playing on the players minds (indeed this was pretty much stated by Yann at the Eltham Addicks meeting) - its hard to ask for commitment from players when we're offering none in return.
Do you think Powell should stay even if performances and results do not improve. As for the contract situation the results against Leicester, Watford and Huddersfield would support your views
I just think that we've been down this road before. There is no point sacking a manager without a viable alternative. If someone can suggest an alternative that is willing to work within our constraints then I'm all ears but realistically what manager of good enough calibre to improve us is going to be attracted to this job ?
The owners wanna sell at a (ridiculous) price and in extra quick time. If successful the new owners will undoubtedly bring in their own man to spend any money allocated to player acquisition. On this basis the current board will not rock the boat as others will terminate and replace soon enough IF a deal can be brokered.
But if this is just wishful thinking on my behalf then you can't keep a failing employee in place as it will only accelerate the decline of the business. Now that is something I am qualified in commenting upon!
This old chestnut about new owners bringing in their own man....I'll ask you the same question then.
The new owners are suddenly installed next week. How can they possibly have "their own man" ? Who would it be? It really has to be somebody unemployed. Somebody good, in their current job, is not going to be able to just down tools and come to Charlton, because of something called a contract.
So who is this amazing unemployed manager who is going to take over with these new owners then? Give me some names.
As for keeping "failing" employees in place, you say you are qualified to comment. Well I reckon I am too. So I'm interested to hear what analogy you are going to bring from (presumably) the business world.
Calm down! It's an observation based on what I have seen happen on numerous occasions in the business world and given the propensity for owners to make/lose money in the modern day football business, a new owner will be extremely careful in deciding as to whom they would entrust their player acquisition to.
If I was in their position - and no I would not be so silly to get anywhere near the footy business - this would be the decision that I would consider with the greatest amount of care once I signed the completion document and see the funds electronically whizz out of my bank account!
But of course time will be the judge in this instance - the current mob indicate they wish to sell and assuming they do we will see if I am wrong and you are correct. Fair okay to you if the latter for this is a fans forum where all opinions are surely welcome ;-)))
And what about everything else Dyer does that we don't know about? Must have got plenty of things right in the last two seasons.
Don't be too sure of that - we bought a squad to get promoted and only achieved 9th last year because of a run of results out of the blue - how much did Dyer contribute, I don't know. Now it's harder, I don't see him getting involved on match days - that's all I'm saying.
Well sure opinions are welcome but you must also expect them to be challenged. I have no problem with thinking in business terms, but the point is that football managers are generally on longer contracts/notice than CEO's of businesses, if that is how you are thinking. So the " bring their own man" idea, which several people have come out with, doesn't seem to me to be feasible. Unless of course you want Sven Goran Eriksson
But I would love for him to have someone like Tony Pulis by his side. Someone who can kick things into shape when CP is too much of a nice guy. And I'm pretty sure a TP coached/bollocked team wouldn't roll over quite as easily as our boys did yesterday.
Ah now you are getting the hang of things. Now if I am not mistaken the current owners came in and took a look and (rightly or wrongly) dispensed with Parky's services.
Now they didn't have a pre - determined replacement albeit some say that Eddie Howe was always their número uno target, but they had decided that they didn't want parky to be at the helm of their new 'project'.
Business is about people and relationships and in my humble opinion I don't see CP surviving a change of ownership as the style of play is hardly 'sexy football' and new owners appear to have this high on their agendas even when it seldom achieves overriding objectives that have been set.
Right off to bed for me as an early start in the morning!
C'mon if PV hadn't been at the Club then CP wouldn't be our Manager. If the current lot took control now they wouldnt appoint CP. A few more bad results and it wouldn't surprise me if CP went. He hasn't long on his contract and its not as if paying him off will cost the earth. The Board will probably find someone to do the job on less money too so I don't think finance will play a big part. Lets also not kid ourselves that CP has as much backing in the wider Charlton support as he does on here. I know numerous fans, none of whom post on any Internet forum, that are less than happy with CP and wouldn't shed too many tears if CP went.
Hasn't got mine. He hasn't a clue how to use the players we've got. And he's coaching has failed to push on players like Stephens and wiggins who showed so much promise but haven't really pushed on. His decision making regarding subs is terrible to the point where we the fans had to let him know to change it. Yesterday was his last chance for me an he blew it, wouldn't be sad to see him go.
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We have absolutely no money so who exactly can we attract given that a) they'd be working almost pro bono and b) they'd have very little scope to bring in their own players/coaching staff.
I think Powell is the one man who can get enough out of these players to keep us up, fire him and I think you increase our chances of relegation manifold times.
There's no excuse for yesterday but in general I think the contract situation is playing on the players minds (indeed this was pretty much stated by Yann at the Eltham Addicks meeting) - its hard to ask for commitment from players when we're offering none in return.
As for the contract situation the results against Leicester, Watford and Huddersfield would support your views
You only have to compare our dead ball moves with, for example, Eddie Howe's at the Cherries to see that we are sorely lacking when it comes to attacking coaching which should be Dyer's brief as a former attacking player.
Big Andy makes a valid comment as mentoring is an extremely important part of a learning process which in itself may explain why CP has not developed as some would have liked. Why do I make this statement? The selection of Hughesy and Gower as twin CMs at Dean Court was the most amazing selections given that Howe always sets his team up with drive and movement in the midfield area to which the gaffer selects a pair with a combined age of 71.
In my opinion you owe Big Andy an apology!
But if this is just wishful thinking on my behalf then you can't keep a failing employee in place as it will only accelerate the decline of the business. Now that is something I am qualified in commenting upon!
The new owners are suddenly installed next week. How can they possibly have "their own man" ? Who would it be? It really has to be somebody unemployed. Somebody good, in their current job, is not going to be able to just down tools and come to Charlton, because of something called a contract.
So who is this amazing unemployed manager who is going to take over with these new owners then? Give me some names.
As for keeping "failing" employees in place, you say you are qualified to comment. Well I reckon I am too. So I'm interested to hear what analogy you are going to bring from (presumably) the business world.
If I was in their position - and no I would not be so silly to get anywhere near the footy business - this would be the decision that I would consider with the greatest amount of care once I signed the completion document and see the funds electronically whizz out of my bank account!
But of course time will be the judge in this instance - the current mob indicate they wish to sell and assuming they do we will see if I am wrong and you are correct. Fair okay to you if the latter for this is a fans forum where all opinions are surely welcome ;-)))
But I would love for him to have someone like Tony Pulis by his side. Someone who can kick things into shape when CP is too much of a nice guy. And I'm pretty sure a TP coached/bollocked team wouldn't roll over quite as easily as our boys did yesterday.
Now they didn't have a pre - determined replacement albeit some say that Eddie Howe was always their número uno target, but they had decided that they didn't want parky to be at the helm of their new 'project'.
Business is about people and relationships and in my humble opinion I don't see CP surviving a change of ownership as the style of play is hardly 'sexy football' and new owners appear to have this high on their agendas even when it seldom achieves overriding objectives that have been set.
Right off to bed for me as an early start in the morning!
I like Powell, as a man, not as a manager.