I follow Charlton - Curbs leaving didn't stop me going and neither did the long years of decline under Pardew and Parkinson. So I'm a little surprised to hear people say they'll stop going if CP goes.
I follow Charlton - Curbs leaving didn't stop me going and neither did the long years of decline under Pardew and Parkinson. So I'm a little surprised to hear people say they'll stop going if CP goes.
all under completely different circumstances. what they are saying is the club wouldnt deserve their financial support if they sacked a man that got us promotion and mid table for non football reasons.
Saying that you would stop following Charlton if SCP goes sounds like nothing more than threat talk and just ridiculously over-dramatic. And probably wouldn't happen either.
Well I think football is a "people business" like a lot of other people businesses, and in all those other people businesses, this is what would happen;
If you've got one key manager on whom your business results depend, you'd sit down with him and say; Here's the budget. Can you deliver? and if he says 'yes' then you let him get on with the job, and evaluate the results after a suitable period of time. Probably, the end of the season. And if he delivers, let him know, let him feel good- before some competitor makes him a better offer.
Well in 12 months Chris Powell completely rebuilt the team, got it gelling from game 1 - to everyone's great surprise - it took the league by the neck in September and stayed top until May, finishing with 101 - one hundred and one- points.
Now if I was the chairman of any 'people business' I would very publicly say to my manager. "well done fella, you've delivered everything I asked of you".
At my previous consultancy firm the MD had to be managed very proactively to stop our best people leaving. It took our entire senior management team to prevent the damage he routinely caused to the business. Whether he understood it was a people business or not, he simply had no awareness about what made people tick and saw the whole area of people management as something for fluffy do-gooders. Ultimately he lost half his management team, two HR managers and when he managed to lose nearly half the entire consultancy practice one year his conclusion was simply "they were shit anyway". He managed to send a letter to one of my own team congratulating him on his outstanding contribution to the business, and then added a paragraph to tell him he didn't qualify for a salary increase or bonus - he never understood why that might cause us some problems because, when the guy left a couple of months later, "he was shit anyway". Ho hum.
(Ask me sometime about his approach to budgeting that routinely led him to cancel everyone's leave at the last minute, or a presentation that included expenses as reasons to work for the company).
My point is that not everyone sees the obvious when it comes to managing people businesses, but they carry on regardless because it's everyone else's fault when things don't go to plan. Especially if he feels safe in his position - our guy was best mates with the owner, and you might raise an eyebrow when I tell you that he was also called TJ and shared an uncanny resemblance to boot.
The thing is that my TJ imagined he was the best at everything and so losing someone was little more than an inconvenience. I wouldn't put it past Jimenez, like many chairmen, to imagine he could do the manager's job ("I've given you the best players, the tealady could win league one with them") and to miss the fact that it's Powell that led the team to break so many records last year.
Of course getting Paul Elliott to do any firing would be a smart move, but then I can't for one moment imagine PE's loyalty to be TJ over SCP, especially as PE is a true football man.
Do you support Powell or Charlton? I don't want to see Chris go (and I doubt he will yet) ... but I follow the club not an individual.
Agree but others have right to see it differently and withdraw their active support ie buying tickets.
Knowing both Kap and SA I doubt either would stop being fans or caring about the Club.
How did I get into this!!! ;-)
Funnily enough, as some know as a kid up to about 13 I was a chelski fan. One of the things that turned me away from them (amongst many others) was when eddie McCreadie got Chelsea promoted and was sacked. I thought that was so unjust and ruined his managerial career.
However, if CP were to be sacked depending on why and the manner of it, I would be disappointed but I would not support the club any less nor the team on the field.
I was a big supporter of Parkie (still am, Please don't pillory me for it) but I continued my devotion to the team and Club .. one team one club no man.
Doubt I would stop going but I would want my feelings made very clear to the board and if that meant missing a few weeks along with what I hope would be a few thousand others then I would be up for that.
Re not going if SCP was fired, it's unimaginable - but I will say this. Toward the end of Pardew's reign I found myself becoming almost apathetic at what was happening on the pitch. One game I couldn't bring myself to celebrate a goal because I could foresee the inevitable capitulation that followed. That shocked me.
Last year - and the season before actually - SCP reinvigorated my passion again. I got my Charlton back. Losing SCP would be a big blow to that.
Well this thread's taken a turn hasn't it? We've gone from a press report of PE joining us to the possibility of CP leaving.
Football and in particular club boards and chairman never cease to surprise or disappoint me in equal measures so never say never, etc but even if it were to happen I can't see anyone walking away and supporting aother club because CP is the manager. Which is the next logical step in the argument.
Well this thread's taken a turn hasn't it? We've gone from a press report of PE joining us to the possibility of CP leaving.
Football and in particular club boards and chairman never cease to surprise or disappoint me in equal measures so never say never, etc but even if it were to happen I can't see anyone walking away and supporting aother club because CP is the manager. Which is the next logical step in the argument.
Are people really saying that though ? If the unthinkable were to happen then surely the most obvious protest would be for a few matches voting with ones feet. Wouldn't want whoever fired SCP to think the fans were accepting. Won't happen though will it.
Some seem to be saying that if CP were to go they'd also walk away. Hopefully not those that were on his back during his first half season - now that would be too much!
Don't get me wrong I'd be as unhappy as the next person, assuming it's not Choice :-) but the thought of walking away from CAFC is well, unthinkable, to me.
I find all this talk of CP leaving as a bit disturbing, it's a bit like discussing how Charles will do on the throne , when his mother is not even dead.
Please can we stick to the here and now rather than hypothiosising what may not happen for a long long time.
I find all this talk of CP leaving as a bit disturbing, it's a bit like discussing how Charles will do on the throne , when his mother is not even dead.
Please can we stick to the here and now rather than hypothiosising what may not happen for a long long time.
Oh for goodness sake. This is a fans forum. All we ever do is hypothesise.
Haha your right SHG to a point, but sometimes it seems like we're never happy unless we've got something to worry about, can't we just enjoy the here and now , whatever that may be?
IF CP were to be sacked this season, I would take it as an act of betrayal by the Board similar to the move to Selhurst. For a couple of months I could not bring myself to go there. Of course I didn't think about supporting anyone else. The point was that I had lost 'my' Charlton.
Similarly as I have pointed out in another thread, the facts of CP's performance up to now, are such that to sack him now, even if we were in the bottom three at Christmas, would be so ridiculous that I'd feel I'd lost my Charlton all over again.
Some of you are saying that this is all hot air. Some of you wanted to believe it was hot air about Rick going and the circumstances surrounding PV and SK's departure. Well now you can read Rick's valedictory comment, and wonder whether perhaps the warning some of us have been making, are not just the products of our fevered imagination.
At the very least, don't you think it odd that neither Slater nor Jiminez publicly thanked or congratulated CP on his performance last season?
IF CP were to be sacked this season, I would take it as an act of betrayal by the Board similar to the move to Selhurst. For a couple of months I could not bring myself to go there. Of course I didn't think about supporting anyone else. The point was that I had lost 'my' Charlton.
Similarly as I have pointed out in another thread, the facts of CP's performance up to now, are such that to sack him now, even if we were in the bottom three at Christmas, would be so ridiculous that I'd feel I'd lost my Charlton all over again.
Some of you are saying that this is all hot air. Some of you wanted to believe it was hot air about Rick going and the circumstances surrounding PV and SK's departure. Well now you can read Rick's valedictory comment, and wonder whether perhaps the warning some of us have been making, are not just the products of our fevered imagination.
At the very least, don't you think it odd that neither Slater nor Jiminez publicly thanked or congratulated CP on his performance last season?
I'm sorry, have I missed something, who says CP is going to be sacked?
I will never cease to be amazed by the number of people who can seemingly read articles (eg from The Mirror or on S%y N€ws) then copy them into this sort of forum and type in their comments and opinions, all of which suggests capacity for literacy and motor function but with absolutely no internal filter for any of it being even tangentially plausible. For one thing if it's in the mirror or on any of murdoch's despicable organs it has to be open to question. Are they all utterly gullible or so ravenously obsessed by the opportunity to spout indignantly to fellow faceless posters that they are completely incapable of questioning how reasonable any story might be? The irony in this post is not lost on me - but I've put my internet tin hat on anyway.
IF CP were to be sacked this season, I would take it as an act of betrayal by the Board similar to the move to Selhurst. For a couple of months I could not bring myself to go there. Of course I didn't think about supporting anyone else. The point was that I had lost 'my' Charlton.
Similarly as I have pointed out in another thread, the facts of CP's performance up to now, are such that to sack him now, even if we were in the bottom three at Christmas, would be so ridiculous that I'd feel I'd lost my Charlton all over again.
Some of you are saying that this is all hot air. Some of you wanted to believe it was hot air about Rick going and the circumstances surrounding PV and SK's departure. Well now you can read Rick's valedictory comment, and wonder whether perhaps the warning some of us have been making, are not just the products of our fevered imagination.
At the very least, don't you think it odd that neither Slater nor Jiminez publicly thanked or congratulated CP on his performance last season?
I'm sorry, have I missed something, who says CP is going to be sacked?
No i dont believe that anyone has what people need to be aware of the fact that SCP may not have the full backing of those he would expect within the club
SCP is irrelevant to the story, but suppose we get relegated, 15 points below the 2nd bottom team, with massive splits in the team, playing terrible football. Would fans really walk out on Charlton if SCP was sacked in those circumstances?
everything about the Club saddens me at the moment EXCEPT what is happening on the pitch. Even if we were to be relegated, which we won't, I'd still want CP to stay. If he is sacked during the season I hope that for once we, as supporters, grow some balls and protest.
SCP is irrelevant to the story, but suppose we get relegated, 15 points below the 2nd bottom team, with massive splits in the team, playing terrible football. Would fans really walk out on Charlton if SCP was sacked in those circumstances?
No of course not.
Nor is that going to happen, so long as the Board let CP get on with managing, and with a budget that might be lets say the 14th highest in the division.
From infomation i have recived Elliott has been offered a job. I dont know for sure, but I believe this is a PR exercise. It is no supprise that Ricks exit has worried us all, and the timing couldn't be worse in my opinion. From my understanding Elliott is/was considoring the move. Again, I don't know for sure, but I I have a hunch he will/has turned the job down. Stuff is going on behind the scenes, I hope it comes out soon.
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Knowing both Kap and SA I doubt either would stop being fans or caring about the Club.
(Ask me sometime about his approach to budgeting that routinely led him to cancel everyone's leave at the last minute, or a presentation that included expenses as reasons to work for the company).
My point is that not everyone sees the obvious when it comes to managing people businesses, but they carry on regardless because it's everyone else's fault when things don't go to plan. Especially if he feels safe in his position - our guy was best mates with the owner, and you might raise an eyebrow when I tell you that he was also called TJ and shared an uncanny resemblance to boot.
The thing is that my TJ imagined he was the best at everything and so losing someone was little more than an inconvenience. I wouldn't put it past Jimenez, like many chairmen, to imagine he could do the manager's job ("I've given you the best players, the tealady could win league one with them") and to miss the fact that it's Powell that led the team to break so many records last year.
Of course getting Paul Elliott to do any firing would be a smart move, but then I can't for one moment imagine PE's loyalty to be TJ over SCP, especially as PE is a true football man.
Funnily enough, as some know as a kid up to about 13 I was a chelski fan. One of the things that turned me away from them (amongst many others) was when eddie McCreadie got Chelsea promoted and was sacked. I thought that was so unjust and ruined his managerial career.
However, if CP were to be sacked depending on why and the manner of it, I would be disappointed but I would not support the club any less nor the team on the field.
I was a big supporter of Parkie (still am, Please don't pillory me for it) but I continued my devotion to the team and Club .. one team one club no man.
Last year - and the season before actually - SCP reinvigorated my passion again. I got my Charlton back. Losing SCP would be a big blow to that.
Football and in particular club boards and chairman never cease to surprise or disappoint me in equal measures so never say never, etc but even if it were to happen I can't see anyone walking away and supporting aother club because CP is the manager. Which is the next logical step in the argument.
Don't get me wrong I'd be as unhappy as the next person, assuming it's not Choice :-) but the thought of walking away from CAFC is well, unthinkable, to me.
Please can we stick to the here and now rather than hypothiosising what may not happen for a long long time.
Similarly as I have pointed out in another thread, the facts of CP's performance up to now, are such that to sack him now, even if we were in the bottom three at Christmas, would be so ridiculous that I'd feel I'd lost my Charlton all over again.
Some of you are saying that this is all hot air. Some of you wanted to believe it was hot air about Rick going and the circumstances surrounding PV and SK's departure. Well now you can read Rick's valedictory comment, and wonder whether perhaps the warning some of us have been making, are not just the products of our fevered imagination.
At the very least, don't you think it odd that neither Slater nor Jiminez publicly thanked or congratulated CP on his performance last season?
Really?! He wasn't even the first black English player in Italy!
The irony in this post is not lost on me - but I've put my internet tin hat on anyway.
No i dont believe that anyone has what people need to be aware of the fact that SCP may not have the full backing of those he would expect within the club
Nor is that going to happen, so long as the Board let CP get on with managing, and with a budget that might be lets say the 14th highest in the division.
That really is the point.
Stuff is going on behind the scenes, I hope it comes out soon.