So the it is more likely that Slater is lying because he said nice things about a bloke he works with in his capacity in the community trust than it is that the Daily Mirror is lying? Slater denied it because, unlike other rumours, it is easily deniable. He said nice things about Elliott because he works with him and is not professonally threatened by him. The Daily Mirror makes stuff upp. Agents feed stories about people they want to secure work for.
And as for the last irony according to this site rumours are true because they are denied and rumours are true because they are not denied.
What not go the whole hog and just start indepth discussion amongst ourselves about stuff that we have completely made up ourselves?
Don't bring logic into this. Paul Elliot will be the new Chariman by Christmas and he will sell solly to West Ham in the transfer window come january and I'll just be happy to complete the season based on these FACTS.
I would say I would be concerned if it happened, I do not know much about PE since he quit football but one of the last people I expect to see at the club as Chairman is an ex player.
Whilst an ex player might wear his heart on his sleeve and do his best for a club he loves it does not make him a good business man or capable of making good business decisions.
I am hoping Slater's staement is correct and this does not happen, I would much prefer to take my chances with business people, not ex players.
I keep reading the title of this thread and thinking it says Paul Ellison to be new Charlton Chairman.
If he is reading this, it should make him smile! :-)
Yep me too! I read the whole thing as referring to him the first time, it was only when they started talking about him being black that I went back and started again!
Only just gone through from the beginning but going back to Slater's statement it can be absolutely correct without it being a denial that there is any truth in the article.
Slater didn't exactly deny what the Mirror said which was "Charlton WANT Elliott..." .
Mirror piece also said "should Charlton land Elliott.." so wasn't suggesting anything formal had been agreed or was on the table. Why wouldn't a made-up piece go the whole hog and say Charlton had offered Elliott the position then withdrew it or Elliott turned it down.
Slater simply denied that Elliott had been OFFERED anything, something the Mirror article hadn't actually claimed. Slater could have denied there was any truth whatsoever, he could have said it hasn't even been discussed, he could have said a lot more to rubbish it, but he didn't. Words which don't stop a later statement confirming Elliott has been offered a position and accepted it.
If Elliott becomes Chairman it will be because in the eyes of those who call the shots he has something very special, if not unique, to strengthen the board and to advance the interests of the club as its representative. Dismissing him because he is not a business man or not wealthy is pretty shortsighted. The business decisions are controlled by the board, not the chairman if he is not a controlling shareholder. The director calling the shots and taking business decisions in this scenario would not be the chairman.
When my nephew became a young pro Elliott was his agent and always looked after him well. He would be respected by the players and he knows the football jungle. There cannot be many chairmen who could relate to their manager and represent the manager's views on the board as well as he could. If it happened it would only strengthen SCP's position and be an inspired move in my opinion.
What @Dippenhall said makes sense to me. I think he would be a great addition to the club. Keeps in line with the old Charlton way, to have people who know the club and what we've been through. A shrewd move if correct.
We can't keep employing people on the past we must look forward
We don't need to forget the past or not learn from it
But we need forward and progressive thinking not reflective and nostalgic
If PE was to become chairman I wouldn't want him recalling the place we came from
As our more recent history was a damn site as close to the shit that went on when we ended up at shithurst ( except losing the ground)
Had we not been taken over I doubt if we would have survived much longer
So if someone comes in and slater goes its evidence that Kevin cash (or this other mysteron whoever he bloody is ) has done one
So the next chair needs to be looking to sell this club as a great place for investment as well as ensuring that the playing staff and mgmt have what they need within the budget set to keep us in this league
With a manager willing to do what is needed because he wants to do his best here because he cares about us and feels part of the club
Not a two bob mercenary yes man that the current incumbent may fancy
Like I have said on here before SCP is not TJ 's favourite person
Like I have said on here before SCP is not TJ 's favourite person
I didn't know you'd said that before, and it worries me.
I've said before, if CP goes I go, and I'd like a lot more of us to send that message to TJ.
Well it worries me too, because I have heard this from other people. I dont know NLA, and i don't think these other people do either.
And you just think, WTF???
We are often told by football club chairman that we don't know jack about running a club, and when we've put our money down we can start talking, etc, etc.
Well I think football is a "people business" like a lot of other people businesses, and in all those other people businesses, this is what would happen;
If you've got one key manager on whom your business results depend, you'd sit down with him and say; Here's the budget. Can you deliver? and if he says 'yes' then you let him get on with the job, and evaluate the results after a suitable period of time. Probably, the end of the season. And if he delivers, let him know, let him feel good- before some competitor makes him a better offer.
Well in 12 months Chris Powell completely rebuilt the team, got it gelling from game 1 - to everyone's great surprise - it took the league by the neck in September and stayed top until May, finishing with 101 - one hundred and one- points.
Now if I was the chairman of any 'people business' I would very publicly say to my manager. "well done fella, you've delivered everything I asked of you".
Perhaps NLA and all the others heard wrong...perhaps.
It's just that I never heard TJ say that to SCP. Maybe he said it in private. If so, that was a mistake. Because in football everybody wants our adulation (even though we are all know-nothing numpties). The players. The manager. The chairman. And in that regard, I've heard TJ is no different to any other chairman. Even though he's not officially the chairman.
So if you want the love, TJ, start spreading it around a bit.
personally id like the chairman to be the major shareholder or as close as dammit , rather than a "puppet"appointment...if PE was appointed as an advisor to the board /board member it would be more appropriate in my view
is there any evidence that Tj and cp dont get on ?
I cant believe "fans" are saying if CP goes they will stop watching Charlton, true fans support the club not one person
It all depends how you define a true fan. I would argue that if CP is dumped by TJ (along with the already dispatched or those possibly awaiting extradition) then the club remnants would no longer be Charlton in my eyes. If that makes me a inferior supporter, then so be it.
So one manager leaves and you leave too? What if we keep Powell but sell Kermorgant and Solly? What if we keep Powell but move in with Welling? What if we don't win another game this season?
Personally I think this whole deal stinks and I have no idea where the PE story fits in the jigsaw, but hey, I bet by this time next year Slater and co. will be long gone
its is a bit daft, and its not a drastic measure i would take, but i sort of get what stilladdicted is saying. if the people in charge sack a club legend after getting us promoted and into mid-table, you have to start questioning if charlton are 'charlton' anymore. be a bit of a pantomine that doesnt deserve peoples money.
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Don't bring logic into this. Paul Elliot will be the new Chariman by Christmas and he will sell solly to West Ham in the transfer window come january and I'll just be happy to complete the season based on these FACTS.
If he is reading this, it should make him smile! :-)
What is there to worry about
Whilst an ex player might wear his heart on his sleeve and do his best for a club he loves it does not make him a good business man or capable of making good business decisions.
I am hoping Slater's staement is correct and this does not happen, I would much prefer to take my chances with business people, not ex players.
What about Ex Players that are businessmen?
: - )
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Slater didn't exactly deny what the Mirror said which was "Charlton WANT Elliott..." .
Mirror piece also said "should Charlton land Elliott.." so wasn't suggesting anything formal had been agreed or was on the table. Why wouldn't a made-up piece go the whole hog and say Charlton had offered Elliott the position then withdrew it or Elliott turned it down.
Slater simply denied that Elliott had been OFFERED anything, something the Mirror article hadn't actually claimed. Slater could have denied there was any truth whatsoever, he could have said it hasn't even been discussed, he could have said a lot more to rubbish it, but he didn't. Words which don't stop a later statement confirming Elliott has been offered a position and accepted it.
If Elliott becomes Chairman it will be because in the eyes of those who call the shots he has something very special, if not unique, to strengthen the board and to advance the interests of the club as its representative. Dismissing him because he is not a business man or not wealthy is pretty shortsighted. The business decisions are controlled by the board, not the chairman if he is not a controlling shareholder. The director calling the shots and taking business decisions in this scenario would not be the chairman.
When my nephew became a young pro Elliott was his agent and always looked after him well. He would be respected by the players and he knows the football jungle. There cannot be many chairmen who could relate to their manager and represent the manager's views on the board as well as he could. If it happened it would only strengthen SCP's position and be an inspired move in my opinion.
The more i think about who you would like to chair the club a football man like pe would be ideal
Would be nice to know the goings on in side the club but i dont think we ever really will
We don't need to forget the past or not learn from it
But we need forward and progressive thinking not reflective and nostalgic
If PE was to become chairman I wouldn't want him recalling the place we came from
As our more recent history was a damn site as close to the shit that went on when we ended up at shithurst ( except losing the ground)
Had we not been taken over I doubt if we would have survived much longer
So if someone comes in and slater goes its evidence that Kevin cash (or this other mysteron whoever he bloody is ) has done one
So the next chair needs to be looking to sell this club as a great place for investment as well as ensuring that the playing staff and mgmt have what they need within the budget set to keep us in this league
With a manager willing to do what is needed because he wants to do his best here because he cares about us and feels part of the club
Not a two bob mercenary yes man that the current incumbent may fancy
Like I have said on here before SCP is not TJ 's favourite person
I've said before, if CP goes I go, and I'd like a lot more of us to send that message to TJ.
And you just think, WTF???
We are often told by football club chairman that we don't know jack about running a club, and when we've put our money down we can start talking, etc, etc.
Well I think football is a "people business" like a lot of other people businesses, and in all those other people businesses, this is what would happen;
If you've got one key manager on whom your business results depend, you'd sit down with him and say; Here's the budget. Can you deliver? and if he says 'yes' then you let him get on with the job, and evaluate the results after a suitable period of time. Probably, the end of the season. And if he delivers, let him know, let him feel good- before some competitor makes him a better offer.
Well in 12 months Chris Powell completely rebuilt the team, got it gelling from game 1 - to everyone's great surprise - it took the league by the neck in September and stayed top until May, finishing with 101 - one hundred and one- points.
Now if I was the chairman of any 'people business' I would very publicly say to my manager. "well done fella, you've delivered everything I asked of you".
Perhaps NLA and all the others heard wrong...perhaps.
It's just that I never heard TJ say that to SCP. Maybe he said it in private. If so, that was a mistake. Because in football everybody wants our adulation (even though we are all know-nothing numpties). The players. The manager. The chairman. And in that regard, I've heard TJ is no different to any other chairman. Even though he's not officially the chairman.
So if you want the love, TJ, start spreading it around a bit.
There's a surprise.
is there any evidence that Tj and cp dont get on ?
if not its a pretty poor rumour ?
Personally I think this whole deal stinks and I have no idea where the PE story fits in the jigsaw, but hey, I bet by this time next year Slater and co. will be long gone