I think Parky was a long way off from being our worst manager - Les Reed has to be at the top tbh.
This.
However, I would take Les Reed out, it was abd then it comes down to Pardew really. The club has to take a lot of the blame for Pardew though, because we were desperate we gave him within his contract too much free reign and by the time we realised it it was too late. Pardew is the man who subsequently said that it is a mangers job to try and get as much money to spend as he can and the boards job to stop him, our board failed to do that
Les Reed, followed by Ken Craggs. Two nice guys who were totally out of their depth.
We've been fortunate over the years, with managers of the calibre of Lennie, the Curbs and Chris Powell, although there have inevitably been aberrations along the way, including these two blighters
Dowie for me. I've only been around long enough to have known as far back as Curbishley, so I grew up with my Charlton with Curbs at the helm, and in just a couple of months Dowie had destroyed what I'd seen built up over those years. Heartbreaking. Pardew runs a close second though, tried to spend his way out of a bad situation, did it badly and left us even worse off somehow. Parky bought well with no resources when we were in L1 and kept our heads above water for the Powell era so he's a long way off those two for me
Dowie's reign was grim...but if he had been given the season, who knows we might have stayed up and things would be very difference. Of his big singings, we got out money back on Diawara and Reid, while lost money on the others (Walton, Djaore, Faye). Carson was a good loan,
Pardew started well, but his signings the following season were a terrible waste of money. Worse, he didn't know what his best team was and started the process where we accumulated far too many loan players - didn't we have too many to play at the same time at one point?
It's interesting that Dowie's career afterwards has been unsuccessful, while Pardew has bounced back...
1.Mullery -Terrible 2.Reid -wrong man 3.Parkingson -Div 2 or 3 at best 4.Dowie - bounce back ability -- blame our board for hiring him 5.Pardew - right man wrong time
For me it will be "Too big for his boots Mullery"....though I'll never ever forgive Frank Hill for falling out with and then selling Stuart Leary.
Good shout on both counts Soundy. I'm tempted to nominate Andy Nelson too - I guess he gets away with it due to his great start (with Theo's team) By the end he was a) clueless b) abusive to the fans and c} bringing in players like Gary Churchouse.
Dowie did us no favours and spunked a fortune but was foisted a coaching team and sacked prematurely Reed was a calamitous appointment and duly delivered a calamity Pardew probably just shades it as the worst- by the end I honestly don't think he evencared
Dowie - put this club back 10 years and its still trying to recover. It may never get back to the same level. I still fail to understand what possessed the club to appoint a manager who had just been relegated at the hated rivals. No logic to it, although he does a good PowerPoint presentation, apparently.
Andy Nelson presided over some real dross but Mullery and Craggs took us to a new low. Dowie ruined probably the best opportunity a Charlton manager ever had and Alan Pardew was the least professional of the lot.
It is a tie for me Dowie & Pardew. Dowie, for most of the useless signings he made, If Curbs had been given that much money, £11m I seem to recall the players he would have got would have seen us comfortably mid table, christ I shudder at the memory of it all.
Pardew, although he made a good job of it at first, very nearly suceeded in keeping us up, after that oh dear. It seemed like it was a job for mates in the haphazard way useless loan signings were made. He should have been sacked along with Parky two months earlier than he was and a manager with Championship credentials brought in, don't know what Murray was thinking.
Definately Dowie. He has airbrushed his tenure with us from his management history when he appears as a pundit on Sky, when listing his management history we are never shown as one of his former clubs. I just wish we could airbrush his tenure from our history in the same way.
Frank Hill deserves a mention.Craggs probably the worst. Dowie and Pardew equally inept. Didn't think much of Andy Nelson but he did gain a promotion. Parky was unlucky not to take us to the play-off final with his gathering of cast-offs.
Glad to see the only manager not mentioned in my life time on this thread - Mike Bailey. So loved that 80/81 season. Went to every game after Barnsley away on 1 October '80. Some epic away days of the winning and fighting kind.
Great manager, fell out with Glickstein and replaced with Mullery:(
Pardew was the worst. Mullery next. Never wanted Dowie but the fault was with the board. To give an ex Nigel £11m plus, let him spend it then can him after just 12 games was just bonkers. I reckon Jordan still has a laugh about that! Just a shame Curbs never had that £11m.
Pardew paid good money for the likes of Izale, relentlessly brought in journeymen loanees and was tactically hopeless most of the time. Based on league position when hired and fired there is no contest. Par dew was the worst.
Parky was poor but was all we could afford at the time. Like Uncle Les he shouldn't have been given the job.
Dowie made some good signings - diawara and Reid. It's just we needed a decent conative midfileder and there weren't any out there. I think Dowies was pretty avergae to be honest, but better than Reed and had we held on to him for a few months more we would have had more points which could have ensured Pardew kept us up. We could be talking about Pardew as a Charlton hero instead of hating him as we do know. I believe the problem was Reed - not that he deserves our vitriol, it's just he wasn't up to the job.
Cory Gibbs - Feyenoord, £0 (Board Signing) - Released Gonzalo Sorondo £0 (Board Signing) - Released Simon Walton - signed for £500,000 - Sold for £200,000 Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink - Middlesbrough, £0 - Released Djimi Traoré - Liverpool, £2,000,000 - Sold for £1,000,000 Amdy Faye - Newcastle United, £2,000,000 - Sold for Undisclosed fee believed to be £500,000 Scott Carson - Liverpool, season loan - loan ended. Andy Reid - Tottenham Hotspur, £3,000,000 sold for £5,000.000 Souleymane Diawara - Sochaux, £3,700,000 sold for fee rising to £4,000.000 (which it did) Omar Pouso Loan - loan fee £375,000 - sent back but will never be missed.
Total Spent £11,575.000 Total Recouped £10,700,000
Pardew signings
Ben Thatcher - Manchester City, £500,000 - Released Madjid Bougherra - £2,500,000 - £2,500,000 Chris Dickson £35,000 - Released Martin Christensen £350,000 - Released Luke Varney - £2,000,000 - Sold for £1,100,000 Chris Iwelumo - Free - Sold for £350,000 Paddy McCarthy - £650,000 - Sold for £500,000 Yassin Moutaouakil - £400,000 - Released Jose Semedo - Free - Released Chris Powell - Free - Released Nicky Weaver - Free - Released Svetoslav Todorov - Free - Released Dean Sinclair - £125,000 - Released Izale McLeod - £1,100,000 - Released Zheng Zhi -£2,000,000 - Released Therry Racon - £372,394 - Released Dorian Smith - £10,000 - Released Paolo Monteiro - Free - Released Andy Gray - £1,500,000 - sold for £500,000 Mark Hudson - Free - Sold for £1,075,000 Stuart Fleetwood - £150,000 - Released Nicky Bailey - £725,000 - Sold for £1,400,000 Plus about 100 loans which some wouldve had fees attached.
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2. Craggs
3. Pardont
Les Reed wasn't around long enough to do any real damage.
Dowie is the obvious choice.
However, I would take Les Reed out, it was abd then it comes down to Pardew really. The club has to take a lot of the blame for Pardew though, because we were desperate we gave him within his contract too much free reign and by the time we realised it it was too late. Pardew is the man who subsequently said that it is a mangers job to try and get as much money to spend as he can and the boards job to stop him, our board failed to do that
Les Reed cant be called a manager.
We've been fortunate over the years, with managers of the calibre of Lennie, the Curbs and Chris Powell, although there have inevitably been aberrations along the way, including these two blighters
Pardew started well, but his signings the following season were a terrible waste of money. Worse, he didn't know what his best team was and started the process where we accumulated far too many loan players - didn't we have too many to play at the same time at one point?
It's interesting that Dowie's career afterwards has been unsuccessful, while Pardew has bounced back...
3/. Foley
2/. Reed
1/. Craggs
2.Reid -wrong man
3.Parkingson -Div 2 or 3 at best
4.Dowie - bounce back ability -- blame our board for hiring him
5.Pardew - right man wrong time
I'm tempted to nominate Andy Nelson too - I guess he gets away with it due to his great start (with Theo's team)
By the end he was a) clueless b) abusive to the fans and c} bringing in players like Gary Churchouse.
Dowie did us no favours and spunked a fortune but was foisted a coaching team and sacked prematurely
Reed was a calamitous appointment and duly delivered a calamity
Pardew probably just shades it as the worst- by the end I honestly don't think he evencared
Dowie, for most of the useless signings he made, If Curbs had been given that much money, £11m I seem to recall the players he would have got would have seen us comfortably mid table, christ I shudder at the memory of it all.
Pardew, although he made a good job of it at first, very nearly suceeded in keeping us up, after that oh dear. It seemed like it was a job for mates in the haphazard way useless loan signings were made. He should have been sacked along with Parky two months earlier than he was and a manager with Championship credentials brought in, don't know what Murray was thinking.
Can't agree about Foley. He made some brilliant signings when we didn't have the proverbial pot -- Powell, Hales and Flanagan anyone?
Parky was unlucky not to take us to the play-off final with his gathering of cast-offs.
Great manager, fell out with Glickstein and replaced with Mullery:(
Never wanted Dowie but the fault was with the board. To give an ex Nigel £11m plus, let him spend it then can him after just 12 games was just bonkers. I reckon Jordan still has a laugh about that! Just a shame Curbs never had that £11m.
Pardew paid good money for the likes of Izale, relentlessly brought in journeymen loanees and was tactically hopeless most of the time. Based on league position when hired and fired there is no contest. Par dew was the worst.
Parky was poor but was all we could afford at the time. Like Uncle Les he shouldn't have been given the job.
Cory Gibbs - Feyenoord, £0 (Board Signing) - Released
Gonzalo Sorondo £0 (Board Signing) - Released
Simon Walton - signed for £500,000 - Sold for £200,000
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink - Middlesbrough, £0 - Released
Djimi Traoré - Liverpool, £2,000,000 - Sold for £1,000,000
Amdy Faye - Newcastle United, £2,000,000 - Sold for Undisclosed fee believed to be £500,000
Scott Carson - Liverpool, season loan - loan ended.
Andy Reid - Tottenham Hotspur, £3,000,000 sold for £5,000.000
Souleymane Diawara - Sochaux, £3,700,000 sold for fee rising to £4,000.000 (which it did)
Omar Pouso Loan - loan fee £375,000 - sent back but will never be missed.
Total Spent £11,575.000 Total Recouped £10,700,000
Pardew signings
Ben Thatcher - Manchester City, £500,000 - Released
Madjid Bougherra - £2,500,000 - £2,500,000
Chris Dickson £35,000 - Released
Martin Christensen £350,000 - Released
Luke Varney - £2,000,000 - Sold for £1,100,000
Chris Iwelumo - Free - Sold for £350,000
Paddy McCarthy - £650,000 - Sold for £500,000
Yassin Moutaouakil - £400,000 - Released
Jose Semedo - Free - Released
Chris Powell - Free - Released
Nicky Weaver - Free - Released
Svetoslav Todorov - Free - Released
Dean Sinclair - £125,000 - Released
Izale McLeod - £1,100,000 - Released
Zheng Zhi -£2,000,000 - Released
Therry Racon - £372,394 - Released
Dorian Smith - £10,000 - Released
Paolo Monteiro - Free - Released
Andy Gray - £1,500,000 - sold for £500,000
Mark Hudson - Free - Sold for £1,075,000
Stuart Fleetwood - £150,000 - Released
Nicky Bailey - £725,000 - Sold for £1,400,000
Plus about 100 loans which some wouldve had fees attached.
Total Spent £12,417,394 Total Recouped £7,425,000