At the moment , Hamer needs to work on his crossing , as fans get on his back about it , i think he's an alright keeper for this division , yes he has a good defence in front of him , Ben Roberts needs to work on this part of his game , he's not going to catch every cross , hence out comes the punch , because he's tall enough to do it .
Get off his case , & let the coaching team sort him out , thats what they're paid for.
We have to remember he's still only young (24), so still learning! Once's he's had a full season under his belt with us I'm sure we'll see improvements. Killing his confidence by dropping him will only do more harm.
He will be replaced in the Summer and that is good enough for me, carried by an excellent back 4 this season but wont get away with flapping in the wind against the likes of Bolton next season.
Nothing wrong with being super critical at times, I am looking at next season already and he isnt good enough.
But then again he doesnt support Charlton so that makes him ok with some....
A bit like bankers during the boom time, we're doing well, why worry about anything?
Oh cause this is a gross exaggeration, but surely a forum is to discuss different views? The unwritten rule that they can't be negative makes the whole thing a bit of a farce.
not having a dig at you francis4england but this is why I become exasperated with the Charlton crowd sometimes.
the moaning I heard last night was laughable. we have a team who are sitting 10 points clear at the top, best defensive record in the league etc etc and yet people still invoke their right to moan. yes it was frustrating last night but that is football. we will not turn teams over by 3's & 4's all the time just because we turn up.
You should go back and review the match thread - which featured several serious cases of losing it - one "highlight" was the poster who around the 60 minute mark thought that we had 30 minutes to save the season.
He will be replaced in the Summer and that is good enough for me, carried by an excellent back 4 this season but wont get away with flapping in the wind against the likes of Bolton next season.
Nothing wrong with being super critical at times, I am looking at next season already and he isnt good enough.
But then again he doesnt support Charlton so that makes him ok with some....
Probably nigh on all our first team playerss don't support Charlton ,does that mean there no good as well?
I was being sarcy mate, didnt rate Elliott much either but he got abuse for being a Charlton fan.
Dont think there is much between them, Hamer is more agile and will get down to shots that Robbie used to be too late on, Robbie was generally pretty decent at the high stuff.
Good god almighty. What have we got now, a scapegoat because we're only ten points clear at the top? Have a word with yourself.
So in your opinion because we have an excellent team there is no way we could have any weak links? There are 11 indiviudals on that pitch. Ten of them are brilliant, one of them is league one average at best. In seasons gone by the whole team was poorer so individual bad players were harder to spot. In a great team Hamer shows up as being frankly crap. He should donate most of his salary to the defenders as they are the reason for our clean sheets.
He flaps as shots, shouts to much as other players (he is constantly raising his hands in disgust at others errors pot = black), approaches the ref when he is not involved, is often way out of his area and very very rarely saves something to change a game.
He can kick well.
Get him out, get anyone else in and contact Robbie to apoloigise for ever thinking he wasn't worthy.
I have no doubt that CP is well aware of Hamers weaknesses and tbh I fully expect another keeper in if we go up. In the meantime Ben is more than good enough for where we are at the moment and I'm sure will be working hard on those weaknesses.
As the alternative keeper is not anywhere near as good imo and given his record it would be crazy to even contemplate dropping him or anyone from our back five.
hamer is very flappy but he's putting his balls on the line coming for half of them crosses , maybe he should stay back maybe he shouldn't his shot stopping and reactions are sharp , that stop at exeter was a great reflex
but his handling has not improved as much as i would have wanted it to over the course of the season
he is the better of the two imo and in the past we haven't always played our best available keeper , will he be good enough for the championship, if we get there , i'm not so sure but if he gets us there then he deserves a crack for a bit and if he isn't good enough he'll be jogged on ,SCP has moved on the players he doesn't think are good enough so i'll trust his judgement
His record is good but that is mainly due to the four in front of him. i wouldn't really want him between the sticks in The Championship. He worries me with crosses and god knows what he was up to with that goal last night..
this. He does worry me at times too. I suppose he is young, still learning and will only get better but I'd be concerned next season though. However no reason at all to drop him now. Hopefully he'll learn from his mistakes quickly.
I like Hamer, good enough for this level and likely to improve as well.
Saying that, he would have to improve though, because at the moment, if we was to get promoted, he would be one of the weaker links.
From the west stand last night though, I was blaming there goal on our team not hamer. We switched off from the middle of the pitch. Hollands got mugged off to easy and then they just went straight past our defence.
Just to clarify I dont think Hamer is a bad keeper and i think he has the potential to do well but i just think he makes too many errors at the moment and Sullivan deserves a chance just like any other player would.
People seem to have made there mind up about Sullivan, can someone please tell me his weaknesses as i was away when he had a run in the team last season? I noted his kicking isnt great at Fulham
Just to clarify I dont think Hamer is a bad keeper and i think he has the potential to do well but i just think he makes too many errors at the moment and Sullivan deserves a chance just like any other player would.
People seem to have made there mind up about Sullivan, can someone please tell me his weaknesses as i was away when he had a run in the team last season? I noted his kicking isnt great at Fulham
The thing is we don't let in a lot of goals and the back 4 and Hamer (usually) do a good job together.
If you take Hamer and Sullivan in isolation you may have a point but it is a team game and the team are getting the results. Therefore Hamer remains number 1 for me at the moment.
People seem to have made there mind up about Sullivan, can someone please tell me his weaknesses as i was away when he had a run in the team last season? I noted his kicking isnt great at Fulham
And when you change a keeper you change the understanding that the defence enjoys with the stopper. They know he flaps but they also know he's going to come for the cross.
What happens when Sullivan doesn't come for that cross?
What he needs to do is stop going outside his penaly area to take free kicks. One of these days he will make a mistake and find himself 30 yards away from his goal.
To be honest I think he's been an accident waiting to happen for a long time. Relying on stats in isolation doesn't tell the full story. He's been shielded by a good defence and some kind decisions.
The thing is we don't let in a lot of goals and the back 4 and Hamer (usually) do a good job together.
If you take Hamer and Sullivan in isolation you may have a point but it is a team game and the team are getting the results. Therefore Hamer remains number 1 for me at the moment.
If your using that theory that we shouldnt drop him because we are winning games, then i suppose you disagree with green coming in for waggy, kerm coming in for hayes, stephens coming in for pritchard
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yes i see the irony in moaning about moaning.
Get off his case , & let the coaching team sort him out , thats what they're paid for.
Nothing wrong with being super critical at times, I am looking at next season already and he isnt good enough.
But then again he doesnt support Charlton so that makes him ok with some....
Oh cause this is a gross exaggeration, but surely a forum is to discuss different views? The unwritten rule that they can't be negative makes the whole thing a bit of a farce.
Dont think there is much between them, Hamer is more agile and will get down to shots that Robbie used to be too late on, Robbie was generally pretty decent at the high stuff.
Neither are Championship level in my opinion
There are 11 indiviudals on that pitch. Ten of them are brilliant, one of them is league one average at best. In seasons gone by the whole team was poorer so individual bad players were harder to spot. In a great team Hamer shows up as being frankly crap. He should donate most of his salary to the defenders as they are the reason for our clean sheets.
He flaps as shots, shouts to much as other players (he is constantly raising his hands in disgust at others errors pot = black), approaches the ref when he is not involved, is often way out of his area and very very rarely saves something to change a game.
He can kick well.
Get him out, get anyone else in and contact Robbie to apoloigise for ever thinking he wasn't worthy.
A keeper lets one through his legs but saves three pens in the game (none of which he gives away). We lose 1-0.
Which one is the likely candidate for the boo boys?
I am amazed that people continue to defend him, and just look at statistics as if that proves he's brilliant. Actually WATCH him and you will see.
As the alternative keeper is not anywhere near as good imo and given his record it would be crazy to even contemplate dropping him or anyone from our back five.
his shot stopping and reactions are sharp , that stop at exeter was a great reflex
but his handling has not improved as much as i would have wanted it to over the course of the season
he is the better of the two imo and in the past we haven't always played our best available keeper , will he be good enough for the championship, if we get there , i'm not so sure but if he gets us there then he deserves a crack for a bit and if he isn't good enough he'll be jogged on ,SCP has moved on the players he doesn't think are good enough so i'll trust his judgement
All keepers make mistakes sometimes and the nature of the position means that a goal will often result. that's life.
he was at fault for the goal though and has too may hairy moments on crosses .Sullivan seems on ok number 2 nothing more
Saying that, he would have to improve though, because at the moment, if we was to get promoted, he would be one of the weaker links.
From the west stand last night though, I was blaming there goal on our team not hamer. We switched off from the middle of the pitch. Hollands got mugged off to easy and then they just went straight past our defence.
People seem to have made there mind up about Sullivan, can someone please tell me his weaknesses as i was away when he had a run in the team last season? I noted his kicking isnt great at Fulham
If you take Hamer and Sullivan in isolation you may have a point but it is a team game and the team are getting the results. Therefore Hamer remains number 1 for me at the moment.
But none of that is down to Hamer and had we had say Hart and could afford to pay him £100K a week we might have an even better record.
In the land of the blind the one eyed goalie is king.
What happens when Sullivan doesn't come for that cross?
He's a proactive keeper, and will make mistakes, but to label him shit for after conceding one goal in nearly 6 weeks, is just hyperbolic rubbish
The thing is we don't let in a lot of goals and the back 4 and Hamer (usually) do a good job together.
If you take Hamer and Sullivan in isolation you may have a point but it is a team game and the team are getting the results. Therefore Hamer remains number 1 for me at the moment.
If your using that theory that we shouldnt drop him because we are winning games, then i suppose you disagree with green coming in for waggy, kerm coming in for hayes, stephens coming in for pritchard