Prague Addick makes a good point. If you're a Ref Spankie then you're a joke I'm afraid. What the Brentford player was doing is Gamesmanship. Common sense says he should have been told to get out of Hamer's line of sight. The blind, unthinking application of the rule book is simply an excuse for a failure to make a judgement and take responsibility.
I disagree. He is allowed to go anywhere before the ball is played as he isn't interfering as the ball is not in play. Many teams do it, place players in and around the keeper in offside positions then they rush into an onside position as the kick is being taken. It's all a tactic to unnerve the keeper and is gamesmanship but not circumventing or breaking the laws as such. I do know the laws and have seen seminars discussing these exact sort of things and it is allowed to a degree. Thanks for the insult too.
Prague Addick makes a good point. If you're a Ref Spankie then you're a joke I'm afraid. What the Brentford player was doing is Gamesmanship. Common sense says he should have been told to get out of Hamer's line of sight. The blind, unthinking application of the rule book is simply an excuse for a failure to make a judgement and take responsibility.
It was gary Alexander ... what do you expect from an ex-spanner ;-)
The way Brentford are set up is to be predominantly hard to beat first and foremost. Scoring goals is therefore always going to be harder and is heavily reliant on set plays. I assume it's why they try the unsporting tactic of blocking the goalkeepers view. They pretty much got what they deserved today as they created little and looked devoid of ever doing so. No mugs though and will take points off a lot of teams. Not my cup of tea to watch though. Thought They dished up some pretty severe treatment to BWP and the ref did nothing to stop it. Why did Solly get booked ? Ref was bad by any measure you care to use.
Solly and Cort were handball. Wiggins for delaying the restart which I agree was overzealous. Not the best ref but certainly not the worst. BWP did get some rough stuff. We won, they were out to spoil our play and we rose above an average team.
Being in an offside position is not an offence in itself. The player in an offside position in front of Hamer wasn't doing anything wrong. If he'd stayed there when the ball was played then it would be offside. I suspect he runs back onside position just before the ball is in play hence no actual offence is committed. It isn't unsporting behaviour. I did see the ref have a word with the Brentford player probably saying you can stand there but leave the verbals out and you'll be flagged offside if you stay there when the ball is played.
I'm not concerned about him being potentially offside.Of course the guy knew he'd be offside if the kick was taken. This is a 'tactic" that some genius has worked out. He wasn't just standing still. What he was doing was stopping Hamer from lining up his wall. That's unsporting behaviour. Or would you like to see very team do it? And referees want more respect? Jesus wept.
How different is this to Morrison deliberately standing in front of Lee and waving his arms about at corner kicks?
I do see it has different because Morrison is allowed to stand there even when the ball is in play. Therefore legitimate. The tactic of standing in front of the GK purely for the sake of it even when you can't be there once play has commenced is IMHO unsporting.
I think the difference is blocking sight during play is acceptable but when play has stopped preventing a keeper from organising his wall is unsporting.
Good to get back to winning ways. Sadly not with the same fluidity we had earlier in the season, but a win is still a win and that's what matters at the end of the game. Really pleased for Green, think he's going to score a hatful now. Kermorgant brilliant, Cort had a good game and Morrison in fast becoming one of our best strikers. He's spending longer and longer at that end of the pitch which must be a credit to the others that he's got the confidence to do that.
Sorry people some will say give him a chance but I thought Clarke looked really bad I know he has scored 9 goals for Chesterfield but he seemed totally useless hope he proves me wrong over the coming months but I still feel we need another striker
Has there ever been a worse 20 minute cameo performance from a substitute than Clarke put on today? Gave away a ludicrous free kick on the edge of our penalty area by blatantly pushing a Brentford player before he had even touched the ball and looked so slow when he had the chance to break away I swear he was overtaken by a tortoise. Tell me he's not really that bad?
By contrast, I thought Pritchard was a breath of fresh air on his well-deserved debut. Covered every blade of grass (twice-over), tackled feriociously, always looked comfortable on the ball and always looking to make a good pass. Guess his chance has come late in life and he's determined to make the most of it. Reminds me of the way a certain Colin Powell came to us many years ago. And hopefully young Bradley can go on to be just as successful.
Not quite as fluent as Yeovil but a very decent performance from a team that had to play with only ten men two days ago. As Jake says above, a previous Charlton team would have lost that. Thought Morro was excellent, and as said, Cort grew into it. Yann worked himself into the ground. Danny Green took his goal very well. Not quite as impressed with Pritchard as some, but it was his full debut. He showed promise, for sure. Great to have Jacko back in time for the Sheffield games. Quite ridiculous yellow card for Wiggins. Never heard any booing of BWP or anyone else, pretty good support, but might have expected bigger numbers, there were more Charlton for Preston. But overall, very happy.
Yep, agree with all stated as well as SHGuru summing up. And yes this game was not going to be easy, but I think we subdued a good Brentford side and took a couple of our chances. The energy levels I couldn't believe after the Orient game.
Has there ever been a worse 20 minute cameo performance from a substitute than Clarke put on today? Gave away a ludicrous free kick on the edge of our penalty area by blatantly pushing a Brentford player before he had even touched the ball and looked so slow when he had the chance to break away I swear he was overtaken by a tortoise. Tell me he's not really that bad?
By contrast, I thought Pritchard was a breath of fresh air on his well-deserved debut. Covered every blade of grass (twice-over), tackled feriociously, always looked comfortable on the ball and always looking to make a good pass. Guess his chance has come late in life and he's determined to make the most of it. Reminds me of the way a certain Colin Powell came to us many years ago. And hopefully young Bradley can go on to be just as successful.
Lets give Clarke a chance eh. He isn't 100% match fit by all accounts and barely knows his way to Floyd Road.
I'll judge him after a decent run.
Great result - maybe not a sparkling performance but these are games easily lost.
A big win to forget Orient and to stand us well going into Fulham and then Wednesday.
Morro was solid as always in the game and very brave for the goal. Was a bit worried about Cort at the beginning as he looked nervous but as the game went on his confidence grew and put in a good shift.
Midfield in the first half was caught up in a right battle whereby you could see how Brentford cause trouble against teams but thought we did very well. Big thumbs up for Pritchard as that was not an easy game to make you first full debut but did well with Hollands getting stuck in to help.
Big Yann is a monster and my MoM. BWP will get that goal, just needs to keep working hard and get a bit more luck.
All in all a good game which we deserved to win as we had clear scoring opportunities.
Sorry people some will say give him a chance but I thought Clarke looked really bad I know he has scored 9 goals for Chesterfield but he seemed totally useless hope he proves me wrong over the coming months but I still feel we need another striker
I remember watching Green against Preston in the Milk Cup and thought the same, yeah he looked awful he was totally off the pace in his first game - give him a chance, you don;t score 9 times in this league with the bottom side by being shit
Has there ever been a worse 20 minute cameo performance from a substitute than Clarke put on today? Gave away a ludicrous free kick on the edge of our penalty area by blatantly pushing a Brentford player before he had even touched the ball and looked so slow when he had the chance to break away I swear he was overtaken by a tortoise. Tell me he's not really that bad?
By contrast, I thought Pritchard was a breath of fresh air on his well-deserved debut. Covered every blade of grass (twice-over), tackled feriociously, always looked comfortable on the ball and always looking to make a good pass. Guess his chance has come late in life and he's determined to make the most of it. Reminds me of the way a certain Colin Powell came to us many years ago. And hopefully young Bradley can go on to be just as successful.
I said to the lovely lady sitting next to me today "jeessus - can we swap back?"! She replied that she never thought she'd say it, but she agreed - bring back Benson.
Surely judging a player who has got 9 this season from not too many games after a 20 minute cameo is stretching not giving somebody a fair crack of the whip as far as it can possibly be stretched.
At the risk of upsetting shooters hill my considered view today was we came through a tricky fixture in doing so restored some pride. But BWP was crap once again devoid of confidence how has he managed to score all those EARLY season goals.Clarke as reported before is a donkey only slower, rest of the team looked solid well done boys.
a little worried before kick off but didn't stop me having a nibble of us at evens on betfair got to 11/10 on there ....prolly 8/11 in the ground !
after the first 20 or so mins i was still nervous brentford were mixing it up with some reasonable corners but didn't take advantage and then we grew into the game
i thought jj was much better second half but my main man is kermorgant he is properly amongst it , when i grow up i wanna be a bloke like him
hamer was flappy again but he does like to be pro active rather than re active
cort reminds a bit ot chris whyte the way he plays and in the little cameo of clarke he was a bit kakpoish with his ability but early days for him and you can only comment on what you've seen
i'm sure if we'd ended up drawing the game everyone would have said waggy should have been on for green earlier but despite green being pony most of the game that was a class finish that helped us relax
winner 28% runner up 28% play off heart attacks 44%
12 days to the next meaningful fixture so get some rest
Perhaps people can remember the doubts over a certain Yann Kermorgant when CP signed him.He hasn't done too badly has he??? Clarke has played just 20 minutes and it is far too early to write him off FFS.
Gritty win which could easily have been a draw if their bloke hadn't blazed over near the end. CP needs to work out how to get the flowing football back because all our wins are hard fought at the moment and we need to be able to cruise a few coz the likes of Hollands are starting to look a bit jaded. Hopefully Stephens coming back will help but i i think its maybe time to invest in a centre mid general and pacy striker. We're not controlling games at the moment and although Pritchard did well i think we need a more dominant character in there as well. Like Green but again its always the killer ball or bust with him whereas Waggy links up and keeps possession better. Clarke wasn't impressive but i think he's more of a hold it up and battle player rather than run into the open spaces type hence the pacy striker still needed. Hopefully we can offload the likes of Doherty and Benson and possibly even Hayes and bring a couple in coz i don't think Ephraim, and Russell in particular, are the answer.
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It was gary Alexander ... what do you expect from an ex-spanner ;-)
Has there ever been a worse 20 minute cameo performance from a substitute than Clarke put on today? Gave away a ludicrous free kick on the edge of our penalty area by blatantly pushing a Brentford player before he had even touched the ball and looked so slow when he had the chance to break away I swear he was overtaken by a tortoise. Tell me he's not really that bad?
By contrast, I thought Pritchard was a breath of fresh air on his well-deserved debut. Covered every blade of grass (twice-over), tackled feriociously, always looked comfortable on the ball and always looking to make a good pass. Guess his chance has come late in life and he's determined to make the most of it. Reminds me of the way a certain Colin Powell came to us many years ago. And hopefully young Bradley can go on to be just as successful.
Could we score 100 in a season?
a little worried before kick off but didn't stop me having a nibble of us at evens on betfair got to 11/10 on there ....prolly 8/11 in the ground !
after the first 20 or so mins i was still nervous brentford were mixing it up with some reasonable corners but didn't take advantage and then we grew into the game
i thought jj was much better second half but my main man is kermorgant he is properly amongst it , when i grow up i wanna be a bloke like him
hamer was flappy again but he does like to be pro active rather than re active
cort reminds a bit ot chris whyte the way he plays and in the little cameo of clarke he was a bit kakpoish with his ability but early days for him and you can only comment on what you've seen
i'm sure if we'd ended up drawing the game everyone would have said waggy should have been on for green earlier but despite green being pony most of the game that was a class finish that helped us relax
winner 28% runner up 28% play off heart attacks 44%
12 days to the next meaningful fixture so get some rest
ONE AIM
Brentford had decent possession but did not really threaten. Could see part of their plan was to bomb long balls towards Solly but it didn't work.
Not the best we've played by a long way but result was all important today.
Really rate solly & wiggins. Kermit very good today & BWP worked a lot harder and looked sharper than in recent games.
Green had an off day but gets an extra mark for showing great composure at the end to settle everyone's nerves.
JJ makes a big, big difference to that side and just hope he now stays fit.