I just got 3. Well i told my missus to run down there and get them. I told her north upper, check with me if thats full. So what does she do, ask for North upper. No 3 seats together, only doubles or singles, so instead of calling me for further advice, she gets Noth Lower.
I don't think Choice's division is false - I don't think he is slagging off Oggy or other distant / overseas, exiled Addicks.
But I think it is a reasonable assumption that the overwhelming majority of the 12,000 lapsed season ticket holders/regular match attendees who we have lost since 2007 have not in fact upped sticks and moved to New York, Madrid, Canada or Cornwall, but in fact still live in and around south-east (or indeed Greater) London, and Kent. They were able to regularly attend in 2007 and could still do so, but have chosen not too because they aren't in it for their love of the club, but because they wanted a bit of the glory of the doubles over Chelsea and Spurs.
Following on from that, I would imagine that the club is targetting those lapsed attendees as much as new supporters with the offer, to show them that the atmosphere and experience of watching us in league one can still be enjoyable. And I think it's a reasonable expectation that those who were season ticket holders in 2007 would still be paying enough casual attention to the BBC Sport website to notice that things are drastically different to last season for us.
Having said all that, I'm bringing a Spurs fan tomorrow, plus an Irish mate who lives in Charlton village with his two young kids - potential new supporters!
I don't think Choice's division is false - I don't think he is slagging off Oggy or other distant / overseas, exiled Addicks.
But I think it is a reasonable assumption that the overwhelming majority of the 12,000 lapsed season ticket holders/regular match attendees who we have lost since 2007 have not in fact upped sticks and moved to New York, Madrid, Canada or Cornwall, but in fact still live in and around south-east (or indeed Greater) London, and Kent. They were able to regularly attend in 2007 and could still do so, but have chosen not too because they aren't in it for their love of the club, but because they wanted a bit of the glory of the doubles over Chelsea and Spurs.
I didn't think Choice was slagging off Oggy
I do think your assumption is just that, an assumption. The drop in status will of course be a factor but not the only one.
Huge sweeping statement to say anyone who doesn't come now but still lives locally doesn't love the Club and only wanted the glory.
Where's your evidence to back this up? Sorry, you just cant lump all fans in the same bracket without some proof.
Oh i know that. Id take it if it was all thats left. But surely there must be 3 seats together somewher in the whole of the East or West. Luckily its block B so not RIGHT behind the goal. I can just about see anyway with my dodgy eyes
Ignore him Ray, he's forgotten about us little people now he's a highflier.
I dare say he'll be too busy with his 'Media Darlings' tomorrow to talk to the likes of me, he's just going shopping for a new cravat..........................
I don't think we are near 20,000.We are behind Exeter at the same stage last February.You would think our club would sell over 1500 today the day before the match over three hours left.I hope Airman has good news after 8pm tonight.Let's all get on twitter,the phone and get people down the valley come on it's only £5 a ticketAlso buy online..
I don't think Choice's division is false - I don't think he is slagging off Oggy or other distant / overseas, exiled Addicks.
But I think it is a reasonable assumption that the overwhelming majority of the 12,000 lapsed season ticket holders/regular match attendees who we have lost since 2007 have not in fact upped sticks and moved to New York, Madrid, Canada or Cornwall, but in fact still live in and around south-east (or indeed Greater) London, and Kent. They were able to regularly attend in 2007 and could still do so, but have chosen not too because they aren't in it for their love of the club, but because they wanted a bit of the glory of the doubles over Chelsea and Spurs.
I didn't think Choice was slagging off Oggy
I do think your assumption is just that, an assumption. The drop in status will of course be a factor but not the only one.
Huge sweeping statement to say anyone who doesn't come now but still lives locally doesn't love the Club and only wanted the glory.
Where's your evidence to back this up? Sorry, you just cant lump all fans in the same bracket without some proof.
By the use of the word majority (albeit "overwhelming"), i have acknowledged that there will clearly be some people who have stopped going for reasons other than - and merely coincident with - our slide. Similarly, by the use of the word assumption, I have also acknowledged that it is by no means factual (of course not), hence my choice of that word in the first place.
However, I stand by my statement that it is a reasonable assumption that most of those 12,000 still live within our (broad) catchment area. Obviously there is no firm evidence as to why these people stopped and every single person without fail is different and has different circumstances (proximity / commute to the game, other commitments, family, income/financial stability - a full-scale recession has hit since we were relegated), so to surmise in any way you have to make a judgement based on assumption.
Agreed, that final sentence is a bit of a sweeping statement the way I phrased it and I did not mean to suggest that anybody does not" love the club" as such, but I for one know 5 or 6 people who had season tickets throughout the prem (and even championship) years, and have subsequently relinquished them for no other reason than disinterest, often by their own admission. They are all Charlton fans and travelled to plenty of away games etc in the prem years, but clearly their attendance was more elastic based on the higher standard of football, the bigger players, and the bigger crowds, than those who still go now out of a sense of duty regardless of however much they have resented dragging themselves down to see the utter dross that has been served up prior to this season. Hence the term glory hunters.
Whilst there will always be exceptions to the rule, I think that the majority of those people stopped going because they just don't care as much. I'm sure there are floods of people on here who who could come up with reasons why they have stopped going, but I don't believe that the majority of those 12,000 have all had children, become unemployed, moved to the south coast or whatever else. And I'm sure that those things have happened to many of the 15,000 that do still go (in fact I know they have cos I've read about some of them on here).
It all comes down to priorities at the end of the day. Spurs away in the cup last season exemplifies this. We must've had an average away following of what, 700 in the last couple of years? One plum cup tie and over 4,000 (and more if we could have) were happy to shell out and manage a Sunday afternoon away from their family. I'm not having a dig at those people, every single club is the same and clearly it is natural that the support drops with the division. Not everybody has to be a "die hard". The point I was making in the first place was simply that I believe that the majority of those people are still there for the taking and many of them would still call themselves Charlton supporters, so Choice's point about people knowing whats going on with Charlton was a valid one!
365 more tickets sold since I last updated this figure with the one before =901 tickets sold up to 5pm.CAFC official twitter still going strong they say.
You know 5 or 6 people who went in the Championship but they are "glory hunters" because they don't go now.
Maybe they don't go as much because now they are older, have families and other interests. That happens regardless of what division a team is in. Priorities as you say. Doesn't mean they are "Glory Hunters". Maybe they just don't enjoy it any more.
And you still haven't offered any evidence beyond the anecdotal. The Club knows some of the details but a lot of tickets sold for tomorow will be to first time buyers who have never come before. So no they don't know who's playing right back or really care. It's just a game of football.
I think what irritates me is the implied suggestion that we who go every week or every other week are "better" fans. We are real fans who love the Club and others are less than us and only there for the glory. I disagree. I don't feel better or worse than other fans who have done more or less away games or whatever.
To me we're all fans and that's it. If someone who's never been the Valley is sitting in front of me tomorrow should I'll be happy to see them there, not look down my nose at them for not loving the Club enough.
True not every Charlton fan comes on here, alot like my Dad only get there news from the OS.
The guy next to me, comes with his dad both st holders for many years. Asked me why Elliot wasn't playing the other day and I had to brief him on the comings and goings of the summer.
42% die hards, 20% ocassionals, 17% support other clubs, 9% first-timers, 6% lost, 4% blokes who've told their missus they're just popping out for a paper & return 5 hours later, 2% just there to frequent the concourses eating & drinking & have no interest in football.
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I dont like north lower! FFS!
But I think it is a reasonable assumption that the overwhelming majority of the 12,000 lapsed season ticket holders/regular match attendees who we have lost since 2007 have not in fact upped sticks and moved to New York, Madrid, Canada or Cornwall, but in fact still live in and around south-east (or indeed Greater) London, and Kent. They were able to regularly attend in 2007 and could still do so, but have chosen not too because they aren't in it for their love of the club, but because they wanted a bit of the glory of the doubles over Chelsea and Spurs.
Following on from that, I would imagine that the club is targetting those lapsed attendees as much as new supporters with the offer, to show them that the atmosphere and experience of watching us in league one can still be enjoyable. And I think it's a reasonable expectation that those who were season ticket holders in 2007 would still be paying enough casual attention to the BBC Sport website to notice that things are drastically different to last season for us.
Having said all that, I'm bringing a Spurs fan tomorrow, plus an Irish mate who lives in Charlton village with his two young kids - potential new supporters!
I do think your assumption is just that, an assumption. The drop in status will of course be a factor but not the only one.
Huge sweeping statement to say anyone who doesn't come now but still lives locally doesn't love the Club and only wanted the glory.
Where's your evidence to back this up? Sorry, you just cant lump all fans in the same bracket without some proof.
3 together from the entire block that he has booked.
You in town tomorrow?
I assume Dial a ride are dropping you outside the Liberal about 1 ?
However, I stand by my statement that it is a reasonable assumption that most of those 12,000 still live within our (broad) catchment area. Obviously there is no firm evidence as to why these people stopped and every single person without fail is different and has different circumstances (proximity / commute to the game, other commitments, family, income/financial stability - a full-scale recession has hit since we were relegated), so to surmise in any way you have to make a judgement based on assumption.
Agreed, that final sentence is a bit of a sweeping statement the way I phrased it and I did not mean to suggest that anybody does not" love the club" as such, but I for one know 5 or 6 people who had season tickets throughout the prem (and even championship) years, and have subsequently relinquished them for no other reason than disinterest, often by their own admission. They are all Charlton fans and travelled to plenty of away games etc in the prem years, but clearly their attendance was more elastic based on the higher standard of football, the bigger players, and the bigger crowds, than those who still go now out of a sense of duty regardless of however much they have resented dragging themselves down to see the utter dross that has been served up prior to this season. Hence the term glory hunters.
Whilst there will always be exceptions to the rule, I think that the majority of those people stopped going because they just don't care as much. I'm sure there are floods of people on here who who could come up with reasons why they have stopped going, but I don't believe that the majority of those 12,000 have all had children, become unemployed, moved to the south coast or whatever else. And I'm sure that those things have happened to many of the 15,000 that do still go (in fact I know they have cos I've read about some of them on here).
It all comes down to priorities at the end of the day. Spurs away in the cup last season exemplifies this. We must've had an average away following of what, 700 in the last couple of years? One plum cup tie and over 4,000 (and more if we could have) were happy to shell out and manage a Sunday afternoon away from their family. I'm not having a dig at those people, every single club is the same and clearly it is natural that the support drops with the division. Not everybody has to be a "die hard". The point I was making in the first place was simply that I believe that the majority of those people are still there for the taking and many of them would still call themselves Charlton supporters, so Choice's point about people knowing whats going on with Charlton was a valid one!
We love you Toogood we Do
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Valley27000 as had be said before you are totally obsessed,
keep it up
I am too
You know 5 or 6 people who went in the Championship but they are "glory hunters" because they don't go now.
Maybe they don't go as much because now they are older, have families and other interests. That happens regardless of what division a team is in. Priorities as you say. Doesn't mean they are "Glory Hunters". Maybe they just don't enjoy it any more.
And you still haven't offered any evidence beyond the anecdotal. The Club knows some of the details but a lot of tickets sold for tomorow will be to first time buyers who have never come before. So no they don't know who's playing right back or really care. It's just a game of football.
I think what irritates me is the implied suggestion that we who go every week or every other week are "better" fans. We are real fans who love the Club and others are less than us and only there for the glory. I disagree. I don't feel better or worse than other fans who have done more or less away games or whatever.
To me we're all fans and that's it. If someone who's never been the Valley is sitting in front of me tomorrow should I'll be happy to see them there, not look down my nose at them for not loving the Club enough.
22,467 (not including away fans)
42% die hards, 20% ocassionals, 17% support other clubs, 9% first-timers, 6% lost, 4% blokes who've told their missus they're just popping out for a paper & return 5 hours later, 2% just there to frequent the concourses eating & drinking & have no interest in football.