My take. Sat directly behind the goal in the lower north and was convinced (and still am) that not all of the ball crossed the line. I was personally appalled by the lads next to me who continued to slate the team when they were playing it comfortably around in the first half. I also think the players seemed too eager to come forward in the second half. Seemed to throw the kitchen sink at them and left ourselves very exposed, thankfully it payed off. Missed Green today I feel. Waggy looked tired.
Always difficult vs 10 men, when we're had someone sent off in the past we usually end up winning!
Looks like Nardiellos and Sollys were over the line, and I do think Exeter would've been a tough team to beat with 11 men today.
But we did enough to win, we're Charlton not Barcelona and we'll have to grind out victories. Thought Solly was very good again, also like Hayes does alot which will go unnoticed but it seems the boo boys may have already found this year's target which is ridiculous. Green and Alonso will be pushing to start soon so this team can't relax.
Shocking performance, why we didn't score 8 goals against 10 men is beyond me , another clean sheet and another 3 points , boring , boring Charlton , booooo , sack the board , Chris Powell and take down the big screen , the referee spoilt the game after 20 minutes by sending that 'vocal' Exeter player off , he should have given them that 'Goal' as well , 5 wins from 7 games , truely shocking start, i guess it will take time to gel as they say.
At last the voice of reason
And Hamer keeps a clean sheet, so must be a dodgy keeper......why can't he be like Robbie and let in iffy goals from distance...........
Well, all you fans who asked for new players who can play football.......I blame you, look what you've done
I havent read any other comments apart from the first few, having not been at the game today...I have just watched the highlights and slowing it down on Sky plus, it is definitely not a goal!
Having said tha, fair play to Exeter and Tisdale, we know full well they are a footballing side and from our radio commentary it sounded like they controlled large periods of the game, even with the 10 men!
BUT ultimately our two goals were absolute class and anybody who knocks Hayes might want to take a second look at that first goal because jesus....can him and BWP link up!
So happy for Dale too, having watched him start off so well and then have a few quiet games hopefully he is well and truly back in the game now, throughout the 90 sounded like he and Danny H were bossing it!
Shocking performance, why we didn't score 8 goals against 10 men is beyond me , another clean sheet and another 3 points , boring , boring Charlton , booooo , sack the board , Chris Powell and take down the big screen , the referee spoilt the game after 20 minutes by sending that 'vocal' Exeter player off , he should have given them that 'Goal' as well , 5 wins from 7 games , truely shocking start, i guess it will take time to gel as they say.
At last the voice of reason
And Hamer keeps a clean sheet, so must be a dodgy keeper......why can't he be like Robbie and let in iffy goals from distance...........
Well, all you fans who asked for new players who can play football.......I blame you, look what you've done
Starting to read back through the comments and it only took one go, fair play to you sir, top drawer!!
I can't say I'm too bothered whether the ball crossed the line or not, as others have said it was not given and that is what counts. However, I love the debate that incidents like this cause, it really brings out the passion in football. Consequently, I absolutely hate it that after every such incident people bang on about the need for technology to be introduced. One of the great things about football is that it is about opinions, if you make every decision 100% accurate you take away any room for opinions and make the whole thing a shade more boring. I'd hate to live in some sanitised world where we knew that every reffing decision was absolutely perfect. You might as well just spend the day watching fake games on FIFA 2011 or whatever the latest computer borefest is called. For the record I didn't think that it was completely over the line either and I'm not at all convinced at all by this Prozone argument either. The purpose of Prozone isn't to determine whether or not the ball crossed the line, it is to track players. It is highly unlikely that it has been calibrated to be able to accurately tell whether the ball crossed the line or not.
The argument that Nardiello's sending off was due to the "disallowed-goal" is wrong. He was sent off due to his own stupidity. Exeter were not dealt some double-blow by the referee, they were penalised because of the stupidity of one of their players. They had 10 other men who all maintained enough self discipline to remain on the pitch, he should have done the same. As Tisdale correctly said, "As much as you think you are being wronged with the decision, you've got to get on with it."
As for Charlton, I thought it was a solid but unspectacular performance. I look forward to the day when we give someone a right old tonking. I thought we had the chance today, but it just wasn't to be.
I think a lot of credit needs to go to Hamer for making that match-changing save, I'm not convinced that many keepers would have recovered so well. Glad he saw through the difficult time afterwards, I thought at one point they were going to sub him. Solly was man of the match for me. The shot against the bar, several other attempts on goal and that blistering run in the second half were all worthy of a winger, but this was a man who put it a solid defensive display as well. Brilliant. BWP also worked very hard and contributed a lot more than just the goal. I do wish that Jackson had spent more time out wide today, he never seems as effective when he drifts into the middle.
I missed the Ex-fan being carried out. Wish I'd seen it.
I do think we would have got more goals had we run at them more from wide positions given the game circumstances - Waggy seemed to start then stop and look for somebody, JJ is not that type of player. The full backs seemed more open to it.
I have always believed that Solly is a good player but unsure he is as good as what some would have us believe. Today was a game where he showed he has the attributes to be much better than good. It was his best performance for us - not just good as he usually is but excellent throughout both dfensively and offensively . Well done the lad.
I can't see how anybody can be disapointed after an easy 2-0 , It can be hard playing against 10 and the team were very professional and patient. It wasn't edgy, exciting stuff but we all wanted the 3 points and that's what we got.
Take people's point about whether it matters about the ball crossing the line. I would say if you saw it clearly it's a bit like those people who see aliens and nobody believes them but they know they saw them. Mind you, I don't believe them either!
Not sure that this has been covered so apologies if it has, but I thought BWP's reaction to the Exeter fans barracking was hilarious,as it appeared did CP. For those not there BWP had to contend with boo's and the Exeter version of "He's better than Shaun ..... "
On scoring by the Jimmy Seed he did the cupped ear thing, thought he might get a booking for that, but ref was happy it did not go over the top. When he was subbed he was around the centre circle and as he walked off he grinned at the Exeter end waved at them and clapped them. Maybe you had to be there but it was funny.
Got the freeze frame going this morning and in the most advanced frame where Hamer has his hand on it you can see the ball hasn't fully crossed the line. Remember, The ball has to fully cross the line.
Just watching CAFC player, absolutely loving the confidence which Powell shows in Solly!I wasnt there to witness it yesterday but from the commentary it sounded like he had a brilliant game! Which, for me he has been since day 1 against Bournemouth!
I believe that what actually happened is that at the moment the ball touched the line the Valley coincided with one of those rifts in the space/time continuum that the starship enterprise keeps barging into and there were then effectively two balls in two parallel universes blah blah blah blah etc.....
I believe that what actually happened is that at the moment the ball touched the line the Valley coincided with one of those rifts in the space/time continuum that the starship enterprise keeps barging into and there were then effectively two balls in two parallel universes blah blah blah blah etc.....
Jeez it's only 09:00. You really shouldn't be drinking this early ;0)
Got the freeze frame going this morning and in the most advanced frame where Hamer has his hand on it you can see the ball hasn't fully crossed the line. Remember, The ball has to fully cross the line.
Don't usually say this but well done that lino!
That's how it looked to me at the time sitting near the corner flag - not all over the line but all of the ball touching the playing surface is over the line. If the same thing had happened on the touchline then it would almost invariably be given as a throw, corner, goal kick. I wouldn't have complained if the goal had stood. Doesn't matter now but it changed the course of the match.
Can I state that from my seat in the NW Upper and in direct line with the goaline. The ball did not cross the line. I am 100% certain. Played some nice stuff at times today but it's absolutely clear that we have no impact up front from the bench. A striker coming in is absolutely essential.
Got the freeze frame going this morning and in the most advanced frame where Hamer has his hand on it you can see the ball hasn't fully crossed the line. Remember, The ball has to fully cross the line.
Don't usually say this but well done that lino!
Why didn't you take the freeze frame a minute earlier when it was bobbling about in the midfield to prove your point? There was a fair stripe of green between the ball and the line. .
Jeez, chill out guys. It was not given as a goal. If Man U's "goal" v Spurs a few years ago was not given then it just proves that officials are fallible. But guys chill out, we're second, unbeaten and we need to gell so the future is bright the future is red
That was the last frame -the ball did not move any further forwards from there. Imagine a guillotene coming down on the goal line - it would have taken some of the ball, but the ball must completely cross so technically not a goal. Do agree it was so close we couldn't have complained if it was given though.
Can someone explain to me the point of this continued debate?
Whatever peoples perceptions/ judgements, as with Solly's effort, there is only one "fact". In the judgement of the officials entrusted with enforcing the laws of the game there was insufficient evidence available in either case to award a goal.
The team officials did not award a goal in either case - therefore Nardiello and Solly did not score goals.
For the avoidance of doubt neither set of circumstances resulted in a goal. You may wish to debate whether others "perceived" sufficient evidence but as they were not entrusted with officiating the game their opinons still do not make it a goal.
I strongly suspect there is no conclusive supporting evidence for such an opinion or we would probably seen it by now.
Can I state that from my seat in the NW Upper and in direct line with the goaline. The ball did not cross the line. I am 100% certain. Played some nice stuff at times today but it's absolutely clear that we have no impact up front from the bench. A striker coming in is absolutely essential.
Putting the game aside, for the first time yesterday I lost it with our own fans. I couldn't help myself. Mindless idiots (yes I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but only if they can back it up) Moaning and shouting for us to lump it forward when we was knocking it around the back and passing the ball rather than giving away posession. At one stage if I remember correctly the crowd actually started booing when we passed back to Hamer. FFS! If Barcelona were playing yesterday some fans would have been booing them off the pitch.
I've bought a season ticket for the first time in 4 years due to work commitments etc, and I can't stand the 2 blokes next to me, constantly moaning and groaning about the team, I didn't hear them say one positive about the team. When the second went in they leant across and said "2nd in the league now" Grrrr
Putting the game aside, for the first time yesterday I lost it with our own fans. I couldn't help myself. Mindless idiots (yes I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but only if they can back it up) Moaning and shouting for us to lump it forward when we was knocking it around the back and passing the ball rather than giving away posession. At one stage if I remember correctly the crowd actually started booing when we passed back to Hamer. FFS! If Barcelona were playing yesterday some fans would have been booing them off the pitch.
I've bought a season ticket for the first time in 4 years due to work commitments etc, and I can't stand the 2 blokes next to me, constantly moaning and groaning about the team, I didn't hear them say one positive about the team. When the second went in they leant across and said "2nd in the league now" Grrrr
Can someone explain to me the point of this continued debate?
Whatever peoples perceptions/ judgements, as with Solly's effort, there is only one "fact". In the judgement of the officials entrusted with enforcing the laws of the game there was insufficient evidence available in either case to award a goal.
The team officials did not award a goal in either case - therefore Nardiello and Solly did not score goals.
For the avoidance of doubt neither set of circumstances resulted in a goal. You may wish to debate whether others "perceived" sufficient evidence but as they were not entrusted with officiating the game their opinons still do not make it a goal.
I strongly suspect there is no conclusive supporting evidence for such an opinion or we would probably seen it by now.
Can we please now move on?
Oh don't be so anal.
No-ones forcing you to join in the debate about the "goal".
Chewing the fat over incidents in the game is part of the football experience; used to be done over a pint, now more often than not over a keyboard!
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I was personally appalled by the lads next to me who continued to slate the team when they were playing it comfortably around in the first half. I also think the players seemed too eager to come forward in the second half. Seemed to throw the kitchen sink at them and left ourselves very exposed, thankfully it payed off. Missed Green today I feel. Waggy looked tired.
Looks like Nardiellos and Sollys were over the line, and I do think Exeter would've been a tough team to beat with 11 men today.
But we did enough to win, we're Charlton not Barcelona and we'll have to grind out victories. Thought Solly was very good again, also like Hayes does alot which will go unnoticed but it seems the boo boys may have already found this year's target which is ridiculous. Green and Alonso will be pushing to start soon so this team can't relax.
Having said tha, fair play to Exeter and Tisdale, we know full well they are a footballing side and from our radio commentary it sounded like they controlled large periods of the game, even with the 10 men!
BUT ultimately our two goals were absolute class and anybody who knocks Hayes might want to take a second look at that first goal because jesus....can him and BWP link up!
So happy for Dale too, having watched him start off so well and then have a few quiet games hopefully he is well and truly back in the game now, throughout the 90 sounded like he and Danny H were bossing it!
COYR!
I have always believed that Solly is a good player but unsure he is as good as what some would have us believe. Today was a game where he showed he has the attributes to be much better than good. It was his best performance for us - not just good as he usually is but excellent throughout both dfensively and offensively . Well done the lad.
I can't see how anybody can be disapointed after an easy 2-0 , It can be hard playing against 10 and the team were very professional and patient. It wasn't edgy, exciting stuff but we all wanted the 3 points and that's what we got.
Take people's point about whether it matters about the ball crossing the line. I would say if you saw it clearly it's a bit like those people who see aliens and nobody believes them but they know they saw them. Mind you, I don't believe them either!
Don't usually say this but well done that lino!
I thought it was iver the line at the time and the football league show have confirmed thats.
However I think FIFA are right not to introduce goal line technology. It will spoil the game!
We must learn to trust the officials judgement in these matters.
from what was shown on the Football League show it looked over the line. However so apparently was Solly's so all is fair in love and war.
Jeez it's only 09:00. You really shouldn't be drinking this early ;0)
Jeez, chill out guys. It was not given as a goal. If Man U's "goal" v Spurs a few years ago was not given then it just proves that officials are fallible. But guys chill out, we're second, unbeaten and we need to gell so the future is bright the future is red
Didn't go to the game but looking at some of I expected underlying stats to show Exeter matched us.
I see from the BBC site that we had a dreadful 67% possession and 15 attempts to their 3. That sounds like a terrible performance!
Do people really expect us to play like a third didivision version of Barcelona every week?
Whatever peoples perceptions/ judgements, as with Solly's effort, there is only one "fact". In the judgement of the officials entrusted with enforcing the laws of the game there was insufficient evidence available in either case to award a goal.
The team officials did not award a goal in either case - therefore Nardiello and Solly did not score goals.
For the avoidance of doubt neither set of circumstances resulted in a goal. You may wish to debate whether others "perceived" sufficient evidence but as they were not entrusted with officiating the game their opinons still do not make it a goal.
I strongly suspect there is no conclusive supporting evidence for such an opinion or we would probably seen it by now.
Can we please now move on?
Smiley would have been nice but as not. Piss off.
All about opinions
There would still be MANY incorrect decisions in games if goal line technology was brought in, so that argument doesn't really stand.