look..as others have mentioned, if this is us playing poorly, we still did a pretty good job during the game, fact is we know we can play a lot better, it was an off day which on other days may not have been punished by a late goal. players were tired but still getting match stamina as the season goes on, theres a long way to go but we should all have confidence as we havent seen a much better team in recent times play for charlton. Also possible solution to the green debate, start green and bring waggy on off the bench to do the harrying up front that we lose when we take hayes and bwp off, that way can bring euell and waggy on, both who are versatile subs
I recall quite a few through balls that were just about cut out by Scunny - we were certainly very incisive. That's a big positive and they were very fortunate in the manner of their goal to make it 2-1. .
am i the only one still thinking green is getting a bit of stick here without any real evidence?
More Waggy not getting the appreciation he deserves as far as I'm concerned for making Solly look man of the match in the eyes of some.
As I said elsewhere Green was only on for 15 minutes so unfair to judge too harshly but, as a fresh pair of legs only on for a short time, he showed no willingness to help out a tiring, struggling Solly and that's the point.
There is evidence that Green can swing in the best crosses seen at the Valley for a very long time, but there is no evidence whatsoever that he can track back and help defend (that's not to say he can't, but he hasn't proven it yet.) I haven't been as pro-Solly as many on here and opinion does seem to be turning slightly, without protection he looks vulnerable. Would people still be clamouring for Green to start if it neccessitated the bigger, tougher Huges becoming the first choice RB?
There is evidence that Green can swing in the best crosses seen at the Valley for a very long time, but there is no evidence whatsoever that he can track back and help defend (that's not to say he can't, but he hasn't proven it yet.) I haven't been as pro-Solly as many on here and opinion does seem to be turning slightly, without protection he looks vulnerable. Would people still be clamouring for Green to start if it neccessitated the bigger, tougher Huges becoming the first choice RB?
Surely any RB in the modern game is entitled to expect his winger to track back, just as he himself must expect to add to the attack. Can we really judge Solly on the performance of the man in front of him? Ask anyone who went to Colchester how well he played there - if anything I'd say opinion is beginning to come round in his favour. The Green v Waggy debate perhaps highlights just how much defensive work Waggy himself does. We don't know what instructions Green was given when he came on but he's a talented player who can soon be told to cover more if necessary. Don't really see a problem yet.
Think it would be different if Green were to start. The problem on Saturday was that they changed both their wingers with 15-20 minutes to go, about the same time we brought on Green who didn't seem prepared to track back. That left a tiring Solly up against a fresh, intelligent left winger who was able to beat him time after time.
The decision to bring on Doherty confused me also. I could understand if we were going to stick him up front and lump it up to him but it was almost as if we had a back five and there was complete chaos in our defence. Completely disrupted the understanding of the centre backs that had played an important part in getting our lead in the first place. If they wanted someone to do that job, it would've been far wiser to get Hughes on to sit in front of the two centre backs.
whats all this solly needs protecting crap, he is a good defender who doesn't need anymore protection than anybody else. What the hell has he done wrong to make people think he needs protecting. Did Francis have a protector last season nope.The lack of football knowledge of some people on here does my bloody head in.
whats all this solly needs protecting crap, he is a good defender who doesn't need anymore protection than anybody else. What the hell has he done wrong to make people think he needs protecting. Did Francis have a protector last season nope.The lack of football knowledge of some people on here does my bloody head in.
Most of the match he acquitted himself very well, but when Scunthorpe brought the sub on against him he was struggling against the fresh legs, that's when his winger needs to play a tad deeper to nullify the threat.
whats all this solly needs protecting crap, he is a good defender who doesn't need anymore protection than anybody else. What the hell has he done wrong to make people think he needs protecting. Did Francis have a protector last season nope.The lack of football knowledge of some people on here does my bloody head in.
And he got absolutely slated almost every single time. Would that have been different if he had had a protector? Who knows, not me, but it's possible. Every team so far has at least for parts of the game clearly and deliberately targeted Solly, rightly or wrongly. Wagstaff is noted for his willingness to track back and help, remove him from the equation and I remain convinced the weaknesses in Solly's game will become ever more apparent. He may well end up becoming a fine defender, but at the moment, there is definite room for improvement.
There is evidence that Green can swing in the best crosses seen at the Valley for a very long time, but there is no evidence whatsoever that he can track back and help defend (that's not to say he can't, but he hasn't proven it yet.) I haven't been as pro-Solly as many on here and opinion does seem to be turning slightly, without protection he looks vulnerable. Would people still be clamouring for Green to start if it neccessitated the bigger, tougher Huges becoming the first choice RB?
Surely any RB in the modern game is entitled to expect his winger to track back, just as he himself must expect to add to the attack. Can we really judge Solly on the performance of the man in front of him? Ask anyone who went to Colchester how well he played there - if anything I'd say opinion is beginning to come round in his favour. The Green v Waggy debate perhaps highlights just how much defensive work Waggy himself does. We don't know what instructions Green was given when he came on but he's a talented player who can soon be told to cover more if necessary. Don't really see a problem yet.
I would have thought that one of the main instructions to Green would be " Stay on the pitch " !
Hope he's able to curb his hot headed tendency & that we'll see just why he was signed sooner rather than later.
Solly is not great - completely overrated on here - I for one am not comfortable with him as our 1st choice RB. No way was he MOTM on Saturday!
Whereas Hayes, who reads the game well, has some brilliant touches of the ball, and had the Scunny keeper make a couple of fine saves is already heading towards whipping boy status with some due to his misses.
Bizarre. But our fans have always been like this - wouldn't like to be a striker at Charlton during a dry spell, even if I had umpteen assists.
whats all this solly needs protecting crap, he is a good defender who doesn't need anymore protection than anybody else. What the hell has he done wrong to make people think he needs protecting. Did Francis have a protector last season nope.The lack of football knowledge of some people on here does my bloody head in.
All full backs need protection from their wingers. It's not specific to Solly- it's a big part of modern football.
"I remain convinced the weaknesses in Solly's game will become ever more apparent". What are they? Just curious.
"Solly is not great". Unusual for a young full-back in his first full season?
I really doubt many on here think he's the new John Humphrey but what exactly has he done so wrong so far? He's strong, committed, and determined. Might be interesting to ask the opposing managers who've targeted him this season if they felt their tactic worked. If we had a full back who rendered our own winger impotent I'd be very concerned. If however he doesn't receive the help due to him from anyone playing in front of him then I just don't quite see how that becomes his fault. Very strange reasoning.
"I remain convinced the weaknesses in Solly's game will become ever more apparent". What are they? Just curious.
"Solly is not great". Unusual for a young full-back in his first full season?
I really doubt many on here think he's the new John Humphrey but what exactly has he done so wrong so far? He's strong, committed, and determined. Might be interesting to ask the opposing managers who've targeted him this season if they felt their tactic worked. If we had a full back who rendered our own winger impotent I'd be very concerned. If however he doesn't receive the help due to him from anyone playing in front of him then I just don't quite see how that becomes his fault. Very strange reasoning.
This and I thought he a had a good game on saturday, I must send my rose tinted specs back!!
Weaknesses as I see them: he is strong for his size, but that only goes so far against bigger players who are strong for THEIR size, he noticeably tires if he has been targeted repeatedly (particularly clear on Saturday and the 'clearance' that cost a goal), obviously any player would but his game seems to rely more on tracking and confrontation than positioning, thus it hinders him more, and his inexperience on occassion. None of them are insurmountable problems, and will no doubt improve in time, but as he is right now, Solly has flaws a canny opponent can exploit. (And would even if he wasn't an academy boy in case anyone is thinking of playing that card.)
Fair enough assesssment Newbie but not sure how many full backs at this level don't have some flaws in their game. We've tried the tall option but not many were very impressed by Simon Francis. Different strengths, different weaknesses, but hopefully Solly can learn from the international full back who's picking him. The whole team is still a work in progress and will undoubtedly look different by May but I don't think his inclusion should unduly influence the Waggy / Green decision.
I'd like to see how Francis fares playing in a better defence- I thought I saw a potentially good player in there behind his errors last season. I'm not saying to drop Solly though as he has done well so far and you shouldn't hang somebody for one mistake - He did have a good game up to his error and had good games prior to Saturday. I'm sure he'll learn from that and go for row z next time. I do agree though, that I not personally convinced about his longevity in this side and he faces competion not just from Francis but Hughes too as the season progresses.
Fair enough assesssment Newbie but not sure how many full backs at this level don't have some flaws in their game. We've tried the tall option but not many were very impressed by Simon Francis. Different strengths, different weaknesses, but hopefully Solly can learn from the international full back who's picking him. The whole team is still a work in progress and will undoubtedly look different by May but I don't think his inclusion should unduly influence the Waggy / Green decision.
Of course all fullbacks have weaknesses at this level, all players do. I agree that he can learn a lot from Powell and become a top-class defender. I am simply concerned that rightly or wrongly he will be affected by the Green/Wagstaff decision. If he proves me wrong no-one will be happier or gladder to eat humble pie than me!
@thenewbie You mention that he noticeably tired, but surely that is an indictment on CP rather than Solly, who should have noticed any tiredness and brought on a ready made replacement in Hughes.
In an earlier post probably on a different thread, Weegie made the point about the timing of substitutions and I think that is more relevant than some of the criticism of Solly.
Having said that we should not lose perspective, we are 10 points out of 12 and conceded only 3 in 4, there must be something positive in that.
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More Waggy not getting the appreciation he deserves as far as I'm concerned for making Solly look man of the match in the eyes of some.
As I said elsewhere Green was only on for 15 minutes so unfair to judge too harshly but, as a fresh pair of legs only on for a short time, he showed no willingness to help out a tiring, struggling Solly and that's the point.
Surely any RB in the modern game is entitled to expect his winger to track back, just as he himself must expect to add to the attack. Can we really judge Solly on the performance of the man in front of him? Ask anyone who went to Colchester how well he played there - if anything I'd say opinion is beginning to come round in his favour. The Green v Waggy debate perhaps highlights just how much defensive work Waggy himself does. We don't know what instructions Green was given when he came on but he's a talented player who can soon be told to cover more if necessary. Don't really see a problem yet.
& a striking partner for BWP who can score goals would be helpful
Most of the match he acquitted himself very well, but when Scunthorpe brought the sub on against him he was struggling against the fresh legs, that's when his winger needs to play a tad deeper to nullify the threat.
I would have thought that one of the main instructions to Green would be " Stay on the pitch " !
Hope he's able to curb his hot headed tendency & that we'll see just why he was signed sooner rather than later.
Maybe tomorrow night ?
and in the meantime potentially the most creative player we have has to sit on the bench because we need two rightbacks.
Is that what we are saying? Does Wiggins get similar protection from Jackson I have not noticed ?
Whereas Hayes, who reads the game well, has some brilliant touches of the ball, and had the Scunny keeper make a couple of fine saves is already heading towards whipping boy status with some due to his misses.
Bizarre. But our fans have always been like this - wouldn't like to be a striker at Charlton during a dry spell, even if I had umpteen assists.
"I remain convinced the weaknesses in Solly's game will become ever more apparent". What are they? Just curious.
"Solly is not great". Unusual for a young full-back in his first full season?
I really doubt many on here think he's the new John Humphrey but what exactly has he done so wrong so far? He's strong, committed, and determined. Might be interesting to ask the opposing managers who've targeted him this season if they felt their tactic worked. If we had a full back who rendered our own winger impotent I'd be very concerned. If however he doesn't receive the help due to him from anyone playing in front of him then I just don't quite see how that becomes his fault. Very strange reasoning.