On the whole i agree that it might level things up a bit. But you say we're so far away from it but would our new owners still be interested in this investment if there was no light at the end of the tunnel?
The problem is that if we were to all rise up and crush the evil empire of lord Murdoch, that would also kill the premiership gravy train as we know it and where would that leave our national sport?
On the whole i agree that it might level things up a bit. But you say we're so far away from it but would our new owners still be interested in this investment if there was no light at the end of the tunnel?
You're right - there would be nothing in it for our new investors, still at least we wouldn't be alone.
If this scandal did lead to a huge financial hit for the English Premier League which incidentally I doubt. There will be an awful lot of clubs that might be in real financial clatty. Huge percentage of prem clubs and no doubt Championship clubs also rely totally on sky money and would crash and burn without it. Interesting times.
Has anybody thought that RB might know stuff that RM would rather keep within NI. Sacking her would surely increase the risk of exposure, especially if she feels she has ben hung out to dry. You get the feeling that there are a lot more damainging rvelations to be discovered but NI are not going to make this easy for the authorities/police.
Has anybody thought that RB might know stuff that RM would rather keep within NI. Sacking her would surely increase the risk of exposure, especially if she feels she has ben hung out to dry. You get the feeling that there are a lot more damainging rvelations to be discovered but NI are not going to make this easy for the authorities/police.
Hi Muttley CAFC, yes that was the point of my post, RM is protecting her to stop her 'spilling the beans' that would surely implicate James Murdoch. I think this will run and run for a good while yet, and more poor souls are going to be taken back to 'events' that brought despair to their lives, and I'm not talking about bloody celebs either.
Can't see how this or any Government can allow the BSkyB deal to go through at any point after all this without opening themselves up to critisism.
They basically can't afford not too as the NI has its fingers in soooo many pies now. This is why Clegg is meakly appealing to Murdoch to withdrw the bid on his own.
As for the idea that Sky might pull-out of football for this, don't be so ridiculous. Never mind Sky, NIs other papers haven't even been affected so there's a long way to go before sky is.
Next big NI appoitnments:
Brooks to become head of NI expantion in Asia (not to be underestimated)
James to be given board job in America
Elisabeth Murdoch to be brought in to manage the UK as the only Murdoch child with an ounce of busines sense.
Sun to become 7 days a week.
Sun on sunday first expose to be scandal involving Daily Mail
Quite why Jeremy Hunt has delayed reffering this matter to ofcom until today does seem odd?. under the guise of seeking advice
Nick Clegg's comments will have gone down like a cup of cold sick I imagine, if the reports on bbc lunchtime news are to be believed.
The politicians claimed that they had been to cozey with Murdoch over the weekend, on the Marr and politics show.
The bbc's Robert Peston is taking the view why have all these emails just suddenly come to light now.. and not several years ago.
Fit and proper is the test........ unfit and inappropriate seems more to the point.
I notice that the Daily Mail has kept very quiet!
Coulsen has been released on bail, Quite how Brooks is allowed to swan about begger's belief.
I think that Murdoch junior could be having his collar felt too....... Let us see if the brave words are translated into tangeable arrests.
Two weeks ago he all but gave the green light to the takeover. This followed a lot of negotiations where Murdoch offered to float off the Sky News channel and fund it for a few years.
Hunt's problem is he gave Murdoch certain parameters to fulfil before he would agree to allow the takeover to proceed, one of which was the issue of Sky News and also it had to clear the Mergers and Monopolies Board both in the UK and the EU. Once all these boxes had been ticked he said get on with it, he can't then refer it to Ofcom without it seeming that he hasn't investigated it properly himself. So he has to go through the rigmarole of asking Ofcom if inlight of the latest allegations whether they would like to take a quick butchers at the deal. Not having checked the BBC my guess is that will answer in the affirmative and he can wash his hands of the matter.
Murdoch junior and Brooks are brazening things out, but it's a sign of their arrogance that they thought they could break the law and get away with it and then not resign. Quite literally they think they are above the law.
I'm not sure why it's taken so long for these transcripts to come to light - I think it might be the ending of the Milly Dowler murder case, where maybe they were used in evidence.
But the Government can't wash their hands of the matter as they will become an easy target after that happens - They have already forfeited the high ground, which Milliband has cleverly positioned himself on. Interestingly, it has been a big deal in modern elections to have the sipport of the Murdoch press, but the next one could be the first time that parties can make capital out of not being recoomended!
BFR is correct. The Govt must be desperate to persuade NI to drop the Sky merger since it's too late for the Govt to do so lawfully (assuming that NI was ballsy enough to judicially review a refusal and I think it would be).
And of course it's just silly to think Sky is going to pull out of the Prem. It's a company in its own right which makes a profit of about £1bn on revenues of about £6bn. If NI was so badly damaged by the revelations that people started cancelling their subsriptions in huge numbers (very unlikely), NI would simply start to sell its shares in Sky.
Some people are living in cloud cuckoo land. Nothing will happen to Murdoch and his empire, either here or across the pond. They know where way, way too many bodies are buried for that to happen. Fox News is pretty much the mouthpiece of conservative America, and everyone now knows (if they didn't already) how deep their reach is into UK politics. He'll get a token pound of flesh extracted, gets a brand new newspaper that (because of the propensity for the UK public to have the memory of a goldfish when it comes to corporate malfeasance) won't be tainted with the phone hacking scandal and will get Sky back at a knockdown price.
Murdoch only owns 39% of Sky, to date he's kept a lid on the court costs resulting from the original 300 or so people who were hacked. they have mostly been settled out of court, rumpur has it that he set aside £15m which is pennies. But that was then, it now seems that up to 4,000 people had their phones hacked and if the 9/11 thing is true then the amount in legal fees and damages will go through the roof. To make things worse for him he publishes the New York Post and Wall Street Journal, both published in NY (obviously). He had to close the NoTW down after losing most of his ad revenues, the damage to his US based interests could be much worse.
I wonder if far from taking over Sky we'll see him selling his stake?
Some people are living in cloud cuckoo land. Nothing will happen to Murdoch and his empire, either here or across the pond. They know where way, way too many bodies are buried for that to happen. Fox News is pretty much the mouthpiece of conservative America, and everyone now knows (if they didn't already) how deep their reach is into UK politics. He'll get a token pound of flesh extracted, gets a brand new newspaper that (because of the propensity for the UK public to have the memory of a goldfish when it comes to corporate malfeasance) won't be tainted with the phone hacking scandal and will get Sky back at a knockdown price.
Geezer's taking us all for f***ing mugs.
Only some of us Leroy...
New York is a Democratic State (always votes Dem in elections) and is politically liberal, I doubt that he's very well liked there and he had to go through all kind of hoops to be allowed to buy the WSJ. I think this time he's in deep trouble, especially if the 9/11 thing is true.
Can't see how this or any Government can allow the BSkyB deal to go through at any point after all this without opening themselves up to critisism.
They basically can't afford not too as the NI has its fingers in soooo many pies now. This is why Clegg is meakly appealing to Murdoch to withdrw the bid on his own.
As for the idea that Sky might pull-out of football for this, don't be so ridiculous. Never mind Sky, NIs other papers haven't even been affected so there's a long way to go before sky is.
Next big NI appoitnments:
Brooks to become head of NI expantion in Asia (not to be underestimated)
James to be given board job in America
Elisabeth Murdoch to be brought in to manage the UK as the only Murdoch child with an ounce of busines sense.
Sun to become 7 days a week.
Sun on sunday first expose to be scandal involving Daily Mail
Mark my words.
Well, The Sun is definitely going seven days a week, but the other things you mentioned, mate, are they educated guesses?
Is there not a big risk to the Sun going 7 days a week? Some of the toxicity around the NOTW may transfer to it and this could affect sales on every day, not just Sunday. I mean its, same comapny, same execs just a few less of the honest journos and other workers.
Murdoch won't make a decision on publishing a Sunday edition until he sees how badly ad revenues and daily news sales hit the Sun. Short term there's bound to be an effect, and NI have to produce a quarterly ABC audit of their circulation numbers and sales. (ABC - Audit Bureau of Circulation). That will tell him whether the public has forgiven and forgotten or whether the brand is still toxic. If it's the former then you can expect a Sunday issue to be launched, if the ABC figures are poor then it will be shelved. The second thing is whether he can attract enough advertising revenues. Sunday issues are usually very profitable - they are packed full of ads and contain things like TV guides etc, these depend on attracting not just enough readers but the right sort of reader for the product being advertised. Many advertisers currently do not want to be associated with the NoTW, but not that many have pulled their advertising from the Sun as well. However if other newspapers start beating the Sun in some key demographics then they'll lose more. A decision won't be made for several months hence all the NoTW journalists etc were made redundant last week. If Murdoch was planning a Sunday Sun to start next week/month they would be retained.
Like I said - the Conservatives are playing catch up in this affair and public opinion would have made sanctioning the BskyB deal very difficult as it would look like they are in bed with Murdoch. They must have told Newscorp they would not let it happen and if it hasn't been refused (newscorp has pulled out) - then maybe they think they could come back in for it at a later date when the dust has settled.
A slight difference - NI have asked that the takeover be referred to the Competition Commission, this will delay a takeover for six months at the least. They will have to make a decision and if they have no objections then they will refer the takeover back to...Jeremy Hunt. This keeps the bid alive, and gives them some breathing space. If in six months or so the fuss has died down then expect it to go ahead. Good tactics, but the last roll of the dice.
New stuff from Met Police on how NI targetted Gordon Brown
• Scotland Yard has discovered references to both Brown and his wife, Sarah, in paperwork seized from Glenn Mulcaire, the private investigator who specialised in phone hacking for the News of the World;• Abbey National bank found suggestion that a "blagger" acting for theSunday Times on six occasions posed as Brown and gained details from his account;• Brown's London lawyers, Allen & Overy, were tricked into handing over details from his file by a conman working for the Sunday Times;• Details from his infant son's medical records were obtained by the Sun, who published a story about the child's serious illness.In October 2006, the then editor of the Sun, Rebekah Brooks, contacted the Browns to tell them that they had obtained details from the medical file of their four-month-old son, Fraser, which revealed that the boy was suffering from cystic fibrosis.
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Could bring it back to the real world?
The Mail is claiming they hacked into Seb's phone in search of secrets of the infamous Worm.
They basically can't afford not too as the NI has its fingers in soooo many pies now. This is why Clegg is meakly appealing to Murdoch to withdrw the bid on his own.
As for the idea that Sky might pull-out of football for this, don't be so ridiculous. Never mind Sky, NIs other papers haven't even been affected so there's a long way to go before sky is.
Next big NI appoitnments:
Brooks to become head of NI expantion in Asia (not to be underestimated)
James to be given board job in America
Elisabeth Murdoch to be brought in to manage the UK as the only Murdoch child with an ounce of busines sense.
Sun to become 7 days a week.
Sun on sunday first expose to be scandal involving Daily Mail
Mark my words.
Two weeks ago he all but gave the green light to the takeover. This followed a lot of negotiations where Murdoch offered to float off the Sky News channel and fund it for a few years.
Hunt's problem is he gave Murdoch certain parameters to fulfil before he would agree to allow the takeover to proceed, one of which was the issue of Sky News and also it had to clear the Mergers and Monopolies Board both in the UK and the EU. Once all these boxes had been ticked he said get on with it, he can't then refer it to Ofcom without it seeming that he hasn't investigated it properly himself. So he has to go through the rigmarole of asking Ofcom if inlight of the latest allegations whether they would like to take a quick butchers at the deal. Not having checked the BBC my guess is that will answer in the affirmative and he can wash his hands of the matter.
Sky will not drop the EPL.
They broadcast the EPL as a loss leader, without it there would be virtually no subscription revenue and certainly not enough to sustain the company.
Murdoch junior and Brooks are brazening things out, but it's a sign of their arrogance that they thought they could break the law and get away with it and then not resign. Quite literally they think they are above the law.
I'm not sure why it's taken so long for these transcripts to come to light - I think it might be the ending of the Milly Dowler murder case, where maybe they were used in evidence.
BFR is correct. The Govt must be desperate to persuade NI to drop the Sky merger since it's too late for the Govt to do so lawfully (assuming that NI was ballsy enough to judicially review a refusal and I think it would be).
And of course it's just silly to think Sky is going to pull out of the Prem. It's a company in its own right which makes a profit of about £1bn on revenues of about £6bn. If NI was so badly damaged by the revelations that people started cancelling their subsriptions in huge numbers (very unlikely), NI would simply start to sell its shares in Sky.
Geezer's taking us all for f***ing mugs.
Murdoch only owns 39% of Sky, to date he's kept a lid on the court costs resulting from the original 300 or so people who were hacked. they have mostly been settled out of court, rumpur has it that he set aside £15m which is pennies. But that was then, it now seems that up to 4,000 people had their phones hacked and if the 9/11 thing is true then the amount in legal fees and damages will go through the roof. To make things worse for him he publishes the New York Post and Wall Street Journal, both published in NY (obviously). He had to close the NoTW down after losing most of his ad revenues, the damage to his US based interests could be much worse.
I wonder if far from taking over Sky we'll see him selling his stake?
Only some of us Leroy...
New York is a Democratic State (always votes Dem in elections) and is politically liberal, I doubt that he's very well liked there and he had to go through all kind of hoops to be allowed to buy the WSJ. I think this time he's in deep trouble, especially if the 9/11 thing is true.
Well, The Sun is definitely going seven days a week, but the other things you mentioned, mate, are they educated guesses?
Is there not a big risk to the Sun going 7 days a week? Some of the toxicity around the NOTW may transfer to it and this could affect sales on every day, not just Sunday. I mean its, same comapny, same execs just a few less of the honest journos and other workers.
newscorp have now withdrawn the bid for BskyB
A slight difference - NI have asked that the takeover be referred to the Competition Commission, this will delay a takeover for six months at the least. They will have to make a decision and if they have no objections then they will refer the takeover back to...Jeremy Hunt. This keeps the bid alive, and gives them some breathing space. If in six months or so the fuss has died down then expect it to go ahead. Good tactics, but the last roll of the dice.