It's telling that many of those "offended" and "outraged" about this are the first to shout down others about "PC nonsense" "being offended on other people's behalf" "mock outrage" etc etc.
So it OK for you if it's something that you care about or relate to but not for anyone or anything you don't.
For the record I think McLean was and is wrong, it is disrespectful and uncalled for but he has that freedom in this country and thank gawd for that.
I'm not offended on anyone's behalf but my own, but thanks.
Yes it ok to get annoyed about something you care about and that is quite different to "mock outrage" and "being annoyed on other people's behalf", but thanks again.
It's telling that many of those "offended" and "outraged" about this are the first to shout down others about "PC nonsense" "being offended on other people's behalf" "mock outrage" etc etc.
So it OK for you if it's something that you care about or relate to but not for anyone or anything you don't.
For the record I think McLean was and is wrong, it is disrespectful and uncalled for but he has that freedom in this country and thank gawd for that.
That all goes without saying Henners,but why can't we still air our disgust at people like McLean and the geezer in the flag? I mean, we ain't chopping no ones heads off in the process are we
Not saying you can't. I'm saying you can and should voice your disgust.
But I'm also saying you and others should allow others the same privilege rather that accusing then of mock outrage etc when it is something you're not concerned with.
It's a very obvious double standard as PL54 has just proved. His outrage is real but other people's isn't.
It's telling that many of those "offended" and "outraged" about this are the first to shout down others about "PC nonsense" "being offended on other people's behalf" "mock outrage" etc etc.
So it OK for you if it's something that you care about or relate to but not for anyone or anything you don't.
For the record I think McLean was and is wrong, it is disrespectful and uncalled for but he has that freedom in this country and thank gawd for that.
That all goes without saying Henners,but why can't we still air our disgust at people like McLean and the geezer in the flag? I mean, we ain't chopping no ones heads off in the process are we
Not saying you can't. I'm saying you can and should voice your disgust.
But I'm also saying you and others should allow others the same privilege rather that accusing then of mock outrage etc when it is something you're not concerned with.
It's a very obvious double standard.
Well, no its not because they are free to accuse me of mock outrage too, even though it ain't and we'll argue the point like we usually do
It's telling that many of those "offended" and "outraged" about this are the first to shout down others about "PC nonsense" "being offended on other people's behalf" "mock outrage" etc etc.
So it OK for you if it's something that you care about or relate to but not for anyone or anything you don't.
For the record I think McLean was and is wrong, it is disrespectful and uncalled for but he has that freedom in this country and thank gawd for that.
That all goes without saying Henners,but why can't we still air our disgust at people like McLean and the geezer in the flag? I mean, we ain't chopping no ones heads off in the process are we
Not saying you can't. I'm saying you can and should voice your disgust.
But I'm also saying you and others should allow others the same privilege rather that accusing then of mock outrage etc when it is something you're not concerned with.
It's a very obvious double standard as PL54 has just proved. His outrage is real but other people's isn't.
Did you have to edit and add the bit in about me ? How sweet.
I guess it is about how much you really care and were/are still upset re: events of the past. Clearly for Mclean he has issues with Britain/England etc, but then as others have pointed out, if he is that upset about it, then why choose to reside here. I think the hardest thing for someone to do is to forgive someone who has wronged you personally (or you feel they have wronged you personally). It takes courage but nothing moves forward otherwise. I don't agree with what he did, but then I didn't grow up as James Mclean.
I still hear it from my boss having slight digs at the Germans re: the war. He was close to his Grandad and his Grandad's twin brother died whilst fighting in the war. He told me that's the reason he doesn't like and will always hold a grudge against the Germans. I didn't lose anyone or know of anyone in my immediate family who lost someone as a result of the war, so maybe I would feel different, but holding onto these past feelings of hatred (70 odd years past now in regards to the second world war) seems strange to me.
Eoin Morgan is the captain of our ODI National cricket team but refuses to sing the National Anthem. I think that is wrong; sing or fuck off you ginger twat. Or is it Eion? Couldn't give a toss to be honest.
Apparently James has dressed up as a schoolgirl and gone to Syria so we should all just forget about him now and concentrate on these bloody north Africans coming in and taking over jobs previously held by the likes of Rhoys Wiggins and Morgan Fox! Personally I think they'll do a great job.
Kirk Broadfoot has been given a 10 game ban after an alleged "sectarian tirade" against James McClean during a match last season.
It's also on the BBC site so it MUST be kosher .. 10 games for an insult ? .. ridiculous, he might just as well have bitten him or at least given McClean a good kicking
Eoin Morgan is the captain of our ODI National cricket team but refuses to sing the National Anthem. I think that is wrong; sing or fuck off you ginger twat. Or is it Eion? Couldn't give a toss to be honest.
Go on the effing X factor if you want to sing. You can love your country like i do.( and fight for it like my dad and Uncles) But as a Atheist and non Royalist, i could never say "God save the Queen".(or sing it) "Nature save the good". is more apt.
I've got to be consistent on this and say we all know Mclean's views but he doesn't have to salute the flag, just stand the same way as the others and look down. I want people to respect this Country,but they don't have to agree with all the things we've done.
Still feel players who try to break bones and maim players should get longer than the non PC Banter merchants.
Eoin Morgan is the captain of our ODI National cricket team but refuses to sing the National Anthem. I think that is wrong; sing or fuck off you ginger twat. Or is it Eion? Couldn't give a toss to be honest.
Go on the effing X factor if you want to sing. You can love your country like i do.( and fight for it like my dad and Uncles) But as a Atheist and non Royalist, i could never say "God save the Queen".(or sing it) "Nature save the good". is more apt.
I've got to be consistent on this and say we all know Mclean's views but he doesn't have to salute the flag, just stand the same way as the others and look down. I want people to respect this Country,but they don't have to agree with all the things we've done.
Still feel players who try to break bones and maim players should get longer than the non PC Banter merchants.
Quite. He could have respected both his own views and those of others by simply standing and letting it pass him by. It's the modern way though, rights before responsibilities. It's his right to do what he likes, but it was a positive act of disrespect - not just to the country, but to those who feel the anthem should be respected. The responsible thing to have done would be to avoid offending people for the sake of an unnecessary and untimely personal statement.
It's like being at a religious funeral when you're an atheist. You can either let the religious stuff pass you by and respect the views of others, or you could stand up and tell everyone you think its all nonsense and the deceased is just worm food. McLean seems to think the latter is the way to be, but hopefully it's an immature rather than an intentionally provocative position.
I totally agree that the Muscats of this world should be chased out of football long before the McLeans.
Really surprised that more hasn't been made of the Kirk Broadfoot incident, surely to warrant a 10 game ban he's got to have done something worse than not respecting a national anthem.
Sectarianism is along the same lines as racism. I don't recall the punishment given for recent Premier League racism cases, but that would be your marker if you want one.
Apparently give it to the Sunderland fans at the end of the game and it kicked off small with other players and the Sunderland fans got the right hump according to sky
Apparently give it to the Sunderland fans at the end of the game and it kicked off small with other players and the Sunderland fans got the right hump according to sky
I'm sure the precious Sunderland fans had spent the previous 90 minutes knitting and discussing Corrie among themselves
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Yes it ok to get annoyed about something you care about and that is quite different to "mock outrage" and "being annoyed on other people's behalf", but thanks again.
Not saying you can't. I'm saying you can and should voice your disgust.
But I'm also saying you and others should allow others the same privilege rather that accusing then of mock outrage etc when it is something you're not concerned with.
It's a very obvious double standard as PL54 has just proved. His outrage is real but other people's isn't.
60s band very unknown to most til one dies then we get a RIP but If I am right only the triangle and fish players are left
I still hear it from my boss having slight digs at the Germans re: the war. He was close to his Grandad and his Grandad's twin brother died whilst fighting in the war. He told me that's the reason he doesn't like and will always hold a grudge against the Germans. I didn't lose anyone or know of anyone in my immediate family who lost someone as a result of the war, so maybe I would feel different, but holding onto these past feelings of hatred (70 odd years past now in regards to the second world war) seems strange to me.
Or is it Eion? Couldn't give a toss to be honest.
You can love your country like i do.( and fight for it like my dad and Uncles)
But as a Atheist and non Royalist, i could never say "God save the Queen".(or sing it) "Nature save the good". is more apt.
I've got to be consistent on this and say we all know Mclean's views but he doesn't have to salute the flag, just stand the same way as the others and look down.
I want people to respect this Country,but they don't have to agree with all the things we've done.
Still feel players who try to break bones and maim players should get longer than the non PC Banter merchants.
It's like being at a religious funeral when you're an atheist. You can either let the religious stuff pass you by and respect the views of others, or you could stand up and tell everyone you think its all nonsense and the deceased is just worm food. McLean seems to think the latter is the way to be, but hopefully it's an immature rather than an intentionally provocative position.
I totally agree that the Muscats of this world should be chased out of football long before the McLeans.
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