anyone who thinks we will go up with parky as boss- is very deluded imho.
wanted him to go after brighton and nothing had changed, we have not won since november 20th when we were lucky to beat yeovil and the run of wins in oct/nov was impressive but did include four cup games against lower division sides and was not enough to save his job.
as for replacement- name not been mentioned is Paul Jewell. did excellently at bradford and wigan whilst Derby may have been a disaster but they were not in as bad as position as we were when he left Derby- same time we appointed Parky.
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]A week is a long time in football...
Seven days ago CL was in near meltdown in fear of Dennis Wise. Now more than a few posters on here are begging the new owners to get him on board quick , so we can show Parkinson the exit door!
on the basis of the job he did at millwall and the fact that he's a nasty little bugger but a winner - on that basis i'll take him and would have done a week ago.
exactly you hate him when he is somewhere else but like Robbie Savage when he is your own he'll do.
thats it in a nutshell - Craig Bellamy's another one - we have too many nice guys down there and not enough bite. no leaders on or off the pitch. if it takes some spivs and some nasty little shits to get us winning, i'll have some of it.
This manager and team have not always been bad, remember Carlisle away where we gave away a 3 goal lead but still managed to win without hoofing the ball up the middle. They played as a team and passed the ball - it's the same players and manager.
Since then it has all gone wrong but the majority of these players can play and we are still in the top six. The board have 2 weeks to sort this out before the next meaningful game. As I see it we can't replace the team but we can strengthen it. We need to get their confidence back which can be done by bringing in some new faces and can also be done by changing the team's management. If PP goes then so should Breaker and Kinsella, it is only by starting anew that it can be improved or we believe that PP can do it with the arrival of some new faces.
[cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]Looks like i may have to take the wife to spurs - need i say more.
If we play like we did today, Dan, you are heading for the divorce courts!
thing is, i can't get wound up by it now. I just accept that we're rubbish - i'm thoroughly expecting us to get demolished at spurs even if they field some reserves. i'll just get well stuck into the hospitality and watch the game through a blurr to dull it out a bit. It's only a game and to be honest it makes me laugh now more than get wound up- in fact the 20 minute 'Pavel Abbot Madhouse' was one of the funniest sketches i've seen this Christmas.
When Abbott came on, his first touch of the ball summed up the whole afternoon for me! Fans were actually laughing at him. A worst first touch than Jason Euell and that's saying something. How this guy was a hero at previous clubs I'll never know.
We were actually the better team for most of the first half, but after they scored you could see the confidence drain from the team. If we are to stand any chance of going up, we need at least six new faces in January.
[cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]I think Sousa's a good choice based on his run at Swansea; the quality of the football and elevating the team beyond where Martinez had taken them.
We have to face that anyone we get will either have a failure or two on their CV or be untried at this level.
I honestly think at this moment in time we can attract serious people who wouldn't normally look at a div three club.
It's the moment when the new owners can play the Tony Blair/New Labour card (yes, he turned out to be a turd of the worst-smelling kind, but think back to '97 and ''things can only get better'' and when the git still walked on water).
We are New Charlton, we're on the way up, we've got friends with lots of money, join us and become part of the future... we're offering modest reward now, but there's a bonus of a million if we win the election promotion.
We've played poorly and won too many times; Peterborough aside, the rare occasions we have played well the result is rather unconvincing (I'm thinking that against Dag and Red first half we were kings of the world, same with Sheff Wed et al). Parkinson may well be a lovely bloke but he's got to go. His transfer decision making (Jackson, Dailly aside) hasn't been brilliant - fair play, we've had limited resources - and tactically he's not that astute either. Today we tried to play it out from the back (lol, Jon Fortune was basically our libero). Dailly, I am inclined to say, was attempting to keep the short possession play at the back going when he made that howler and - I know, I'm biased - Parky, it could be argued, was somewhat at fault tactically.
Hoofing doesn't work, either. That's because Benson/Abbott/Martin (not so much Anyinsah, who is by miles our best striker) have no aerial presence and are preferred to (controversial) the beast that is Akpo Sodje. I have a feeling that, given the calibre of player in our midfield, that if Akpo can act as a target man and knock balls down for our midfield, they can retain possession further up the pitch and work the ball that way. Of course, we need a better target man - after all, Akpo can't finish... Maybe that's just the league we're in. But that's a proposed tactical solution. Possible, implementable, but its effectiveness remains to be seen. We may as well give it a go.
As for a replacement, I'd venture to say that our best bet is - controversial again - Mark Stimson. From what I heard at the Barnet games, he tried to get them to play good football, and invariably they'd boss the first twenty minutes with some beautiful football, concede or what have you and then capitulate. Personally that says more about the players. At Charlton he'd have people like Racon, Martin, Reid and so on - all in all better footballers who could play how he intends them to - and we might see some good football, a few goals and a manager who we could afford. I don't know. Just throwing out there; I'm no seer.
Oh no we are 5th. 3 points off 2nd surely something must be wrong. At the start of the season so many on this site said we would be staring relegation in the face. Well we're not, we have scored the most goals away from home out of all 92 teams. Is it any wonder that the team prefer to play away when as soon as the game looks like it may go against us then the so called super fans of the North upper start abusing the team and the managemnt.
This is not time to panic, get behind the team at home.
We are in the middle of a hard run of away games, we may be about 9th or 10th by the end of Feb but all the hard away games will be out of the way and a push can start again.
there is absolutely no reason to keep Parky on now. Whilst he is in charge we are going nowhere. Get a new man in now, give him whatever money is available to spend, and see what happens. Quite possibly we could still get promoted. If not then at least we will be in a better position for a real challenge next season. I wouldn't trust Parky to spend any money that might be available now so if he stays I'd rather they gave him nothing as at least then a new Manager would then have more to spend in the summer. Despite what Jiminez and Slater may have said five days ago they have sincve witnessed two clueless performances and on the evidence of them instead of inreasing crowds as they had hoped they are more likely to see crowds decreasing. Also no-one is really going to complain if Parky were sacked tomorrow. Remember, when Parky took charge we were not even in the bottom three of the Championship.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]there is absolutely no reason to keep Parky on now. Whilst he is in charge we are going nowhere. Get a new man in now, give him whatever money is available to spend, and see what happens. Quite possibly we could still get promoted. If not then at least we will be in a better position for a real challenge next season. I wouldn't trust Parky to spend any money that might be available now so if he stays I'd rather they gave him nothing as at least then a new Manager would then have more to spend in the summer. Despite what Jiminez and Slater may have said five days ago they have sincve witnessed two clueless performances and on the evidence of them instead of inreasing crowds as they had hoped they are more likely to see crowds decreasing. Also no-one is really going to complain if Parky were sacked tomorrow. Remember, when Parky took charge we were not even in the bottom three of the Championship.
[cite]Posted By: Jpb Junior[/cite]Oh no we are 5th. 3 points off 2nd surely something must be wrong. At the start of the season so many on this site said we would be staring relegation in the face. Well we're not, we have scored the most goals away from home out of all 92 teams. Is it any wonder that the team prefer to play away when as soon as the game looks like it may go against us then the so called super fans of the North upper start abusing the team and the managemnt.
This is not time to panic, get behind the team at home.
We are in the middle of a hard run of away games, we may be about 9th or 10th by the end of Feb but all the hard away games will be out of the way and a push can start again.
Keep the faith
i have no faith in Parky and have sat through half a season of utter dross - i have seen enough football to knoe we are pants and will not go up with parky in charge. i have now reached the point whgere i will join in with 'parky for palace' because the situation has changed - we are no longer treading water with richard murray manfully plugging the leaks in our sinking ship. if the new owners need encouragement to sack parky, i'm more than happy to give it. my mind is clear - charlton's best intersests are served by outing parky and the quicker, the better.
[cite]Posted By: Jpb Junior[/cite]Oh no we are 5th. 3 points off 2nd surely something must be wrong. At the start of the season so many on this site said we would be staring relegation in the face. Well we're not, we have scored the most goals away from home out of all 92 teams. Is it any wonder that the team prefer to play away when as soon as the game looks like it may go against us then the so called super fans of the North upper start abusing the team and the managemnt.
This is not time to panic, get behind the team at home.
We are in the middle of a hard run of away games, we may be about 9th or 10th by the end of Feb but all the hard away games will be out of the way and a push can start again.
Nice guy as he is Parky doesnt have the tactical sense to change things up when the going gets tough. I would say hes a good assistant and no more. If we have to get someone in to be a director of football or something fornthe rest of the season we should do it to get us up...we have the squad minus 1 or 2 just need the tactics. Plus if we could i would change the backroom staff its obvious that they aint doing the job right.
Parky may even do it on his own...hes done it with colchester but give him a tactical head and we are laughing...this league is there for the taking.
For a long time we played poor football at home but avoided defeat or picked up odd goal wins.
We have lost the last two matches and, frankly, where are the goals coming from. Jackson and Abbott put away the scraps they received. Apar from that we created nothing.
I am still a "Parky In" man I think but he really does have to address our poor home form-FAST!
[cite]Posted By: Jpb Junior[/cite]Oh no we are 5th. 3 points off 2nd surely something must be wrong. At the start of the season so many on this site said we would be staring relegation in the face. Well we're not, we have scored the most goals away from home out of all 92 teams. Is it any wonder that the team prefer to play away when as soon as the game looks like it may go against us then the so called super fans of the North upper start abusing the team and the managemnt.
This is not time to panic, get behind the team at home.
We are in the middle of a hard run of away games, we may be about 9th or 10th by the end of Feb but all the hard away games will be out of the way and a push can start again.
Keep the faith
on reflection, are you sure you're not a palace or millwall fan? if i were i'd be backing parky to stay.
[cite]Posted By: csr_cafc[/cite]I would say hes a good assistant and no more.
Why would you even say that? As an assistant to Pardew, none of what went wrong was apparently anything to do with him. So if he really was incapable of exerting any influence whatsoever, I'd say that makes him a pretty crap assistant, too!
[cite]Posted By: Jpb Junior[/cite]Oh no we are 5th. 3 points off 2nd surely something must be wrong. At the start of the season so many on this site said we would be staring relegation in the face. Well we're not, we have scored the most goals away from home out of all 92 teams. Is it any wonder that the team prefer to play away when as soon as the game looks like it may go against us then the so called super fans of the North upper start abusing the team and the managemnt.
This is not time to panic, get behind the team at home.
We are in the middle of a hard run of away games, we may be about 9th or 10th by the end of Feb but all the hard away games will be out of the way and a push can start again.
Keep the faith
So exactly the same as last season then. Remind me how that ended up! and we were a better team last season (arguably).
Gutless, spineless,souless,clueless, hopeless. In the 44 years that I have been watching Charlton I cannot ever remember witnessing a peformance where all those adjectives were applicable. These players are not that bad. Something has to change and quickly whilst we are still riding high in the table. We are worse than a relegation side and are getting outplayed by all opposition.
I could hug you! He has been here in one guise or another since we were third from bottom in te premier league. What has this wanker done to improve things since then????
4 3 3 ... Parky persists in playing this formation from time to time .. what the f***??? ... WHY? .. What is he trying to prove?. the Sky TV pundits said the players were on the field practicing the formation 2 hours before kick off. So what do they all do all week. There was no need to change the team or the tactics. The players can't be tired as they just had a nice relaxing december in the snow. PP has gotta go. I have taken his part for the past 2 years. No more. How about Mr Slater goes out and recruits Big Sam in now .. if we're gonna play long ball, let's do it properly.
[cite]Posted By: queensland_addick[/cite]Gutless, spineless,souless,clueless, hopeless. In the 44 years that I have been watching Charlton I cannot ever remember witnessing a peformance where all those adjectives were applicable.
These players are not that bad. Something has to change and quickly whilst we are still riding high in the table. We are worse than a relegation side and are getting outplayed by all opposition.
i agree with the sentiments but i've seen us play that badly in most home games this season.
Ultimately it's a result driven game - and Parky hasn't been getting the results.
Even worse the team tonight played like strangers - we've had this squad for six months now, and some players have been here longer and yet none of them seemed to know the games of their team-mates. Tonight we were out-played, out-passed, out-thought and out-fought by a team threatened by relegation from what is a pretty dire league.
We have new owners and they have access to money, and the window has opened. Paying Parky off shouldn't be too expensive, and there are some experienced managers around.
[cite]Posted By: queensland_addick[/cite]Gutless, spineless,souless,clueless, hopeless. In the 44 years that I have been watching Charlton I cannot ever remember witnessing a peformance where all those adjectives were applicable.
These players are not that bad. Something has to change and quickly whilst we are still riding high in the table. We are worse than a relegation side and are getting outplayed by all opposition.
i agree with the sentiments but i've seen us play that badly in most home games this season.
[quote][cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: csr_cafc[/cite]I would say hes a good assistant and no more.[/quote]
Why would you even say that? As an assistant to Pardew, none of what went wrong was apparently anything to do with him. So if he really was incapable of exerting any influence whatsoever, I'd say that makes him a pretty crap assistant, too![/quote]
Thats purely based on the fact that he isnt too bad in the transfer market and seems to have the respect of the squad. As a tactical player he cant hack it.
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wanted him to go after brighton and nothing had changed, we have not won since november 20th when we were lucky to beat yeovil and the run of wins in oct/nov was impressive but did include four cup games against lower division sides and was not enough to save his job.
as for replacement- name not been mentioned is Paul Jewell. did excellently at bradford and wigan whilst Derby may have been a disaster but they were not in as bad as position as we were when he left Derby- same time we appointed Parky.
thats it in a nutshell - Craig Bellamy's another one - we have too many nice guys down there and not enough bite. no leaders on or off the pitch. if it takes some spivs and some nasty little shits to get us winning, i'll have some of it.
Since then it has all gone wrong but the majority of these players can play and we are still in the top six. The board have 2 weeks to sort this out before the next meaningful game. As I see it we can't replace the team but we can strengthen it. We need to get their confidence back which can be done by bringing in some new faces and can also be done by changing the team's management. If PP goes then so should Breaker and Kinsella, it is only by starting anew that it can be improved or we believe that PP can do it with the arrival of some new faces.
Over to you J & S
We have to face that anyone we get will either have a failure or two on their CV or be untried at this level.
thing is, i can't get wound up by it now. I just accept that we're rubbish - i'm thoroughly expecting us to get demolished at spurs even if they field some reserves. i'll just get well stuck into the hospitality and watch the game through a blurr to dull it out a bit. It's only a game and to be honest it makes me laugh now more than get wound up- in fact the 20 minute 'Pavel Abbot Madhouse' was one of the funniest sketches i've seen this Christmas.
We were actually the better team for most of the first half, but after they scored you could see the confidence drain from the team. If we are to stand any chance of going up, we need at least six new faces in January.
I honestly think at this moment in time we can attract serious people who wouldn't normally look at a div three club.
It's the moment when the new owners can play the Tony Blair/New Labour card (yes, he turned out to be a turd of the worst-smelling kind, but think back to '97 and ''things can only get better'' and when the git still walked on water).
We are New Charlton, we're on the way up, we've got friends with lots of money, join us and become part of the future... we're offering modest reward now, but there's a bonus of a million if we win the election promotion.
Hoofing doesn't work, either. That's because Benson/Abbott/Martin (not so much Anyinsah, who is by miles our best striker) have no aerial presence and are preferred to (controversial) the beast that is Akpo Sodje. I have a feeling that, given the calibre of player in our midfield, that if Akpo can act as a target man and knock balls down for our midfield, they can retain possession further up the pitch and work the ball that way. Of course, we need a better target man - after all, Akpo can't finish... Maybe that's just the league we're in. But that's a proposed tactical solution. Possible, implementable, but its effectiveness remains to be seen. We may as well give it a go.
As for a replacement, I'd venture to say that our best bet is - controversial again - Mark Stimson. From what I heard at the Barnet games, he tried to get them to play good football, and invariably they'd boss the first twenty minutes with some beautiful football, concede or what have you and then capitulate. Personally that says more about the players. At Charlton he'd have people like Racon, Martin, Reid and so on - all in all better footballers who could play how he intends them to - and we might see some good football, a few goals and a manager who we could afford. I don't know. Just throwing out there; I'm no seer.
This is not time to panic, get behind the team at home.
We are in the middle of a hard run of away games, we may be about 9th or 10th by the end of Feb but all the hard away games will be out of the way and a push can start again.
Keep the faith
This, simple as!
i have no faith in Parky and have sat through half a season of utter dross - i have seen enough football to knoe we are pants and will not go up with parky in charge. i have now reached the point whgere i will join in with 'parky for palace' because the situation has changed - we are no longer treading water with richard murray manfully plugging the leaks in our sinking ship. if the new owners need encouragement to sack parky, i'm more than happy to give it. my mind is clear - charlton's best intersests are served by outing parky and the quicker, the better.
this just amazes me
Parky may even do it on his own...hes done it with colchester but give him a tactical head and we are laughing...this league is there for the taking.
For a long time we played poor football at home but avoided defeat or picked up odd goal wins.
We have lost the last two matches and, frankly, where are the goals coming from. Jackson and Abbott put away the scraps they received. Apar from that we created nothing.
I am still a "Parky In" man I think but he really does have to address our poor home form-FAST!
on reflection, are you sure you're not a palace or millwall fan? if i were i'd be backing parky to stay.
Why would you even say that? As an assistant to Pardew, none of what went wrong was apparently anything to do with him. So if he really was incapable of exerting any influence whatsoever, I'd say that makes him a pretty crap assistant, too!
So exactly the same as last season then. Remind me how that ended up! and we were a better team last season (arguably).
These players are not that bad. Something has to change and quickly whilst we are still riding high in the table. We are worse than a relegation side and are getting outplayed by all opposition.
I could hug you! He has been here in one guise or another since we were third from bottom in te premier league. What has this wanker done to improve things since then????
i agree with the sentiments but i've seen us play that badly in most home games this season.
Even worse the team tonight played like strangers - we've had this squad for six months now, and some players have been here longer and yet none of them seemed to know the games of their team-mates. Tonight we were out-played, out-passed, out-thought and out-fought by a team threatened by relegation from what is a pretty dire league.
We have new owners and they have access to money, and the window has opened. Paying Parky off shouldn't be too expensive, and there are some experienced managers around.
Why would you even say that? As an assistant to Pardew, none of what went wrong was apparently anything to do with him. So if he really was incapable of exerting any influence whatsoever, I'd say that makes him a pretty crap assistant, too![/quote]
Thats purely based on the fact that he isnt too bad in the transfer market and seems to have the respect of the squad. As a tactical player he cant hack it.
I thought that too.