[cite]Posted By: johnnybev1987[/cite]and im sure parky knows more about the players then any that would be coming in at the mo. As for the curbs suggestion i personally think that would be a backward step for both the club and curbs not gonna happen anyway
Firstly, I'm not trying to dig you out johnnybev, it might seem that way because I have responded to your last 2 posts, but...
If PP knows more about our players than anybody else: Why has he not got them playing as a unit; a team. And why is he not getting the best (or anywhere near) out of them?
I'm pleasantly surprised at the split of the votes. Given the vitriol here I would have thought that the first category would have been running away with it. Having previously been in the third category camp, Saturday's debacle has moved me into the second. To admit that he was surprised by their tactics is a startling admission, to then not have the nous to do something about it is also v concerning.
[cite]Posted By: johnnybev1987[/cite]and im sure parky knows more about the players then any that would be coming in at the mo. As for the curbs suggestion i personally think that would be a backward step for both the club and curbs not gonna happen anyway
Firstly, I'm not trying to dig you out johnnybev, it might seem that way because I have responded to your last 2 posts, but...
If PP knows more about our players than anybody else: Why has he not got them playing as a unit; a team. And why is he not getting the best (or anywhere near) out of them?
Well in theory he should know more he has now had them long enough, also it is a team he has put the team together so reckon he would know more then most. I agree we should be doing better and parky is partly to blame as the players, i dont really know whether i want him to stay at the moment. Unless an outstanding canditate came available eg. lambert of norwich then i dont see the point in replacing him now. Dont worry red i dont take anything personally on a messageboard :P
I've voted for Christmas but my view is a bit more nuanced. I think Murray should be checking alternatives and if there is one who is suitable and affordable than he should be in negotiations. I appreciate it's difficult to do this and is a bit sneaky but I think it's right for the club. The lenthy of Parky's tenure is thus a function of the availability of a suitable replacement rather than his performance on the coming games. What we really can't afford is to appoint the wrong manager for the fifth time in the row. I don't care if we're stuck with Parky for the rest of the season if ot takes that long to get Mr Right.
I feel no vitriol towards Parky as I did towards Pardew. I still hope against hope he can turn it round.
Cant see another manager turning it around magically, its the same players, who would replace him anyway with us offering the same budget, salary and resources.
Still plenty of the season left and I think with Parky at the helm we will still be in the playoff mix.
It seems to happen every season that expectations are extremely low, we win a few games and people suddenly seem to think we should be running away with the league, its not as if we have suddenly spent loads on players. Parky has got some good ones in and built a side virtually from scratch again. I think perhaps they should get (yet) more time to gel.
He helped get us relegated from the championship, he failed to get us promoted last year and looks like he is struggling this year.
This sport is a results based industry he's had 2 years to get results and simply he hasn't it looks fairly obvious that we wont really do anything or amount to anything with him in charge of the club.
Its time for him to be given the p45 and a taxi fare home and to begin to look for a manager who can.
It's just madness that people claim that another manager couldn't do better with this squad and players. What makes you the experts?! FFS
When the likes of Kishishev and other players and managers talk about us a big club, with good players, a healthy squad and look on jealously - it's all because they think we're a big club (in division 3) with more resources even now than most clubs in our league - of course somebody could do better than Phil Parkinson is doing.
He's NOT UP TO THE JOB. Simple. The results don't lie! I would suggest in fact, that ANY of the managers in this division whose teams are above us could do better with Charlton than Phil Parkinson and probably quite a few of those below us too!
[cite]Posted By: Thommo[/cite]Ive voted for till Christmas at least,
Cant see another manager turning it around magically, its the same players, who would replace him anyway with us offering the same budget, salary and resources.
Still plenty of the season left and I think with Parky at the helm we will still be in the playoff mix.
It seems to happen every season that expectations are extremely low, we win a few games and people suddenly seem to think we should be running away with the league, its not as if we have suddenly spent loads on players. Parky has got some good ones in and built a side virtually from scratch again. I think perhaps they should get (yet) more time to gel.
Richard Murray's stated expectation was that we would have a competitive team challenging for the play-offs. Given that, would you agree that Parky is not coming up to that expectation? I voted for the 2/3 games option because his position is becoming untenable. What I'd really like is for him to turn it round and for us to go on an extended unbeaten run because recent history tells us that new managers coming in do not lift our results.
[cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]Nice bloke, some decent transfer dealings (and some awful ones, but so did Curbs and Sir drops the odd clanger, too), but can't make a silk purse out of silk. Sorely exposed when up against managers with the X Factor like Poyet.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]There is the argument in 08/09 Parky was left with an unbalanced squad, little quality up front, some players here with the wrong attitude stuck on long contracts, squad low on confidence with a losing mentality etc.
If a new manager does come in we do have a decent and pretty balanced squad for this league with players that want to be here.
Two good posts these.
I've been reluctant to judge Parky up until now because I've always felt he's been doing his best with a squad that wasn't entirely his and suffered from a hang over from previous managers. He's built his own squad now though and, in general, I think he deserves credit for what he's managed to asseble in the way of quality. One area he's struggled with is attack, but that is forgivable on his budget - good strikers always cost the most.
What worries me now though is that he's struggling to get his team to gel and play to a coherent style. Added to this the style he appears to be trying to employ seems a bit one dimensional to me - I think we have players capable of playing a more varied system that would be harder to nulify. At the very least he needs to develop a distinct plan B - his rigid sticking to the 4-4-2 was amajor contribution to Saturday, it seemed fairly clear to me that we were being over-run in midfield and a switch in system was vital to get anything from the game, but Parky did nothing.
What also worries me is the number of goals we are conceding. I understand the difficulties of getting strikers for no money, so if we were simply struggling to finish off chances I'd understand that, but we look so hoplessly disorganised at the back and a bit lost in midfield. We have good players in both these departments who should be doing better. Those players certainly need to take some personal responsibility for their performances - particularly in terms of work rate and concentration but some of it definitely comes down to coaching - our vulnerability to set pieces for example.
This sqaud isn't perfect, but there is much more to be had out of it than Parkinson and co are currently getting and I think that puts us in a position where it's now fair and reasonable to ask if someone would be doing a better job. I'm coming round to the way of thinking that they would.
I voted time running out, but that is a difficult judgement. Who is to say what 'showing improvement' is? Do we go on the Murray level that he employed Parky on in the first place, in which case he can still lose every game but the players will have 'shown improvement'. Or how far does it go at the other end of the spectrum - have we got to win every game by three clear goals for it to be considered an 'improvement''?
Personally, at the stage I am more inclined to go for the latter (although obviously not that extreme) as I do believe there has t be clear, undeniable, evidence of improvement.
[cite]Posted By: DRF[/cite]Who is to say what 'showing improvement' is?
No more sloppy goals conceded, particularly from set-pieces. Players working hard for 90 mins. A full 90 mins where we string two consecutive halves of decent football together and preferably a couple of wins.
It's not reasonable to demand a certain number of wins or points, though, as there are so many variables that can go against a team - refereeing decisions, injuries etc. All I expect is for us to be 'in' every game and to look organised. Saturday was a comprehensive a 4-0 as you could hope to see - I don't want to see another game this season where we're so clearly second best in every department.
Are you happy that we lose 4-0 in the next 5 games if we only lose to brilliant goals? OK Define brilliant, or at least define 'sloppy'. Who sets the standard for whether players worked hard for 90 minutes? You? Would any layer himself admit to not doing this? How can Murray if they are? We were outplayed in every department but we wont be playing the top team in the league for the next four games, doesn't that have an impact?
Setting points demands is the only undeniable way to show improvements, otherwise its all opinion.
That's exactly what I meant by my post. I picked 'time runing out' and I will be the judge of whether I change this to 'leave now'. Everyone else wil set their own parameters and Murray will have a cmpletely different set.
Some statto on here will have a break down of goals conceded from set plays and open play in my opinion he is still making the same mistakes in defending set plays and we have not learned jot
Well, that's what I want to see DRF. I believe if we do those things then the points will follow of their own accord. It is of course something of a subjective judgement as to whether we're doing those things but very few things in life are black and white. Would it be fair to sack Parkinson if we lose our next 3 games but in each one the opposition are wrongly awarded two penalties and we lose players to injury in all of them? Points and final scores only ever tell some of the story - there wouldn't be nearly as much flack flying around if we hadn't just rolled over and died on Saturday, even if the score line had still come out the same.
Personally all I ever expect from a Charlton team is for them to be. mostly, in control of what they can control. If that means we still lose to the better team, as I think may still have happened on Saturday, then fine but it's not acceptable to see Racon letting players run past him leaving the back 4 totally exposed, it's not acceptable to see Francis diving in on a winger knowing he won't get to the ball but wanting to look like he's tried, because he can't be bothered to chase after him and it's not acceptable to see the manager standing on the touchline, arms folded and doing nothing to try and counter-act an opposition which is clearly getting the better of us.
Ultimately Richard Murray has to make the judgment call as to whether or not he feels the next few performnaces are acceptable - neither you or I have any real say in the matter.
its our style of football that really bothers me. recently even when we win it doesnt feel that great as the way we play football is dire. MK Dons at home was Ryman League level. I understand that we are in L1 but thats no excuse to not try and get the ball down and play.
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]its our style of football that really bothers me. recently even when we win it doesnt feel that great as the way we play football is dire. MK Dons at home was Ryman League level. I understand that we are in L1 but thats no excuse to not try and get the ball down and play.
Precisely! It's not the losing (well - to a certain point) it's the performances, lack of passion or desire or even a glimmer of hope that we are improving week by week.
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]its our style of football that really bothers me. recently even when we win it doesnt feel that great as the way we play football is dire. MK Dons at home was Ryman League level. I understand that we are in L1 but thats no excuse to not try and get the ball down and play.
Precisely! It's not the losing (well - to a certain point) it's the performances, lack of passion or desire or even a glimmer of hope that we are improving week by week.
Totally agree. Which is why I may call for him to be sacked even if we do well in these next games.
As you say EA scorelines lie. If we are total rubbish, with no game-play, passion or clear plan B and yet win because of dubious penalties and the other team being utter rubbish, then i may still be calling for him to go after the next four matchs.
Bascially, as was the case with Pardew, the first cries have now gone out. With Pardew it took three more terrible perfomances before fans were outside the ground demanding action.
I foresee this number being the say for Parky and the next games are therefore crucical, both in terms of style and outcome.
Nothing has changed in 2 seasons so what will change in 2-3 games?
Parky strikes me as a decent bloke but we need a tough manager to get us out of mid table obscurity in the third tier not someone to pop round for a curry.
There were nearly 19,000 there on Saturday to watch that humiliation. If we don't act soon there wont be anyone left to vote.
I dont think Murray has the balls to get rid of Mr Nice but prolonging the agony to Christmas will only make things worse.
[cite]Posted By: Jints[/cite]I think Murray should be checking alternatives and if there is one who is suitable and affordable than he should be in negotiations. I appreciate it's difficult to do this and is a bit sneaky but I think it's right for the club. The lenthy of Parky's tenure is thus a function of the availability of a suitable replacement rather than his performance on the coming games. What we really can't afford is to appoint the wrong manager for the fifth time in the row. I don't care if we're stuck with Parky for the rest of the season if ot takes that long to get Mr Right.
Any chairman on the ball has at least three to five names in his top drawer as people that he'd want to speak with, if a change is needed.
The first thing is that change being needed needs to be recognized, and decided.
Once you've come to that conclusion, you relieve him of his duties. You don't go behind his back.
You appoint a caretaker for however long it takes to speak to your list, which should include potential managers available and potentially not available.
Every chairman needs to be prepared to change his manager, if necessary.
If the Arsenal board didn't have a shortlist to replace Wenger, or the Glaziers didn't have a shortlist to replace Ferguson, they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
Richard Murray should already have an idea of who he wants to talk to, whether Parky is gone now, in two weeks or over the holidays, or stays the whole season.
It's good business. A trait that Charlton used to have.
[cite]Posted By: Jints[/cite]I think Murray should be checking alternatives and if there is one who is suitable and affordable than he should be in negotiations. I appreciate it's difficult to do this and is a bit sneaky but I think it's right for the club. The lenthy of Parky's tenure is thus a function of the availability of a suitable replacement rather than his performance on the coming games. What we really can't afford is to appoint the wrong manager for the fifth time in the row. I don't care if we're stuck with Parky for the rest of the season if ot takes that long to get Mr Right.
Any chairman on the ball has at least three to five names in his top drawer as people that he'd want to speak with, if a change is needed.
The first thing is that change being needed needs to be recognized, and decided.
Once you've come to that conclusion, you relieve him of his duties. You don't go behind his back.
You appoint a caretaker for however long it takes to speak to your list, which should include potential managers available and potentially not available.
Every chairman needs to be prepared to change his manager, if necessary.
If the Arsenal board didn't have a shortlist to replace Wenger, or the Glaziers didn't have a shortlist to replace Ferguson, they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
Richard Murray should already have an idea of who he wants to talk to, whether Parky is gone now, in two weeks or over the holidays, or stays the whole season.
It's good business. A trait that Charlton used to have.
Since when did Ferguson become manager of Crystal Palace ?
I never thought Parky was up to this job. After his (on the face of it, impressive) dealings in the transfer market at the beginning of the season - I was prepared to get behind him and have faith, despite points last season where he looked so out of his depth its a surprise he didn't wear a lifejacket to away games.
However, there is precious little evidence that points to any other conclusion than, nice guy though he undoubtedly is, he is a rubbish football manager.
The sooner we get rid, the sooner we can start trying to rescue our season so that this isn't another wasted year for a club that is living on borrowed time.
Thanks for trying, Parky........but please do the honourable thing and resign.
I went for the 'til Xmas' option on the basis that:
As depressing as Saturday was I think too much emphasis has been placed on one result. Just as people were to quick to praise Parkinson when he secured a couple of decent signings in the Summer they are now too quick to condemn him. I know we've been rubbish for most of the season so far but we are only twelve games in, with (in my view) a weaker team and squad than last year. Mid-table is a realistic expectation.
Although I have no knowledge of how the club works, it feels to me that there is too much wrong from top to bottom. It isn't just the manager, the whole club has lost it's way and has been lurching from farce to tragedy and back again for half a decade. The solution is a change of ownership (hopefully it's the solution - it's still a major gamble) and then let the new Chairman decide in light of whatever funds he is able to bring to the task. Assuming the latest rumours are not the usual BS, which they probably are, then that won't happen for a month or two yet I would guess.
New face with fresh ideas is needed now. Why wait two games? If we win those two games, what is going to change? Nothing! We will still be shit because the manager is shit. For god sake, people must surely see this!
[cite]Posted By: Jayajosh[/cite]New face with fresh ideas is needed now. Why wait two games? If we win those two games, what is going to change? Nothing! We will still be shit because the manager is shit. For god sake, people must surely see this!
No they can't see it, they're too close to see it - it's called Blind Faith.
I agree. PP should have walked / been sacked on Saturday evening. We are all going to regret the 'lost' bedding in time for the new manager when he is eventuslly appointed.
[cite]Posted By: Jayajosh[/cite]New face with fresh ideas is needed now. Why wait two games? If we win those two games, what is going to change? Nothing! We will still be shit because the manager is shit. For god sake, people must surely see this!
Not that simple, that's why.
I'm sure people said similar things after the Northwich game and we the beat MK Dons 5-1 and went on a good run.
If he was that bad we wouldn't have made the play offs last season.
Not saying we definitely don't need a change, I think it's looking like we could do with one. A terrible manager doesn't lose just 8 league games over 46 matches though.
were screwed, I dont have any confidence anyone else coming in will do any better, its just been so dark for so long I think Im blind, and Ive got that numb feeling again.
Murray mate, its time for a master stroke, its time to bring in someone who can actually succeed, who can actually manage a football club.
Its my birthday on Saturday im going down the casino with about 20 blokes gonna be messy by the time I come on here, I have absolutely no faith that Parky will be able to muster me even a point.
I dont know whether he should go, as we dont have any decent ideas of who should come in, as far as Im concerned there all rubbish. The only bloke I trust is lennie and curbs, and until someone comes along like that again we are screwed, its all about hanging on not getting to depressed and not killing yourself, just hope we get the right appointment. dont have much faith though at the moment.
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Firstly, I'm not trying to dig you out johnnybev, it might seem that way because I have responded to your last 2 posts, but...
If PP knows more about our players than anybody else: Why has he not got them playing as a unit; a team. And why is he not getting the best (or anywhere near) out of them?
Well in theory he should know more he has now had them long enough, also it is a team he has put the team together so reckon he would know more then most. I agree we should be doing better and parky is partly to blame as the players, i dont really know whether i want him to stay at the moment. Unless an outstanding canditate came available eg. lambert of norwich then i dont see the point in replacing him now. Dont worry red i dont take anything personally on a messageboard :P
I feel no vitriol towards Parky as I did towards Pardew. I still hope against hope he can turn it round.
Cant see another manager turning it around magically, its the same players, who would replace him anyway with us offering the same budget, salary and resources.
Still plenty of the season left and I think with Parky at the helm we will still be in the playoff mix.
It seems to happen every season that expectations are extremely low, we win a few games and people suddenly seem to think we should be running away with the league, its not as if we have suddenly spent loads on players. Parky has got some good ones in and built a side virtually from scratch again. I think perhaps they should get (yet) more time to gel.
This sport is a results based industry he's had 2 years to get results and simply he hasn't it looks fairly obvious that we wont really do anything or amount to anything with him in charge of the club.
Its time for him to be given the p45 and a taxi fare home and to begin to look for a manager who can.
When the likes of Kishishev and other players and managers talk about us a big club, with good players, a healthy squad and look on jealously - it's all because they think we're a big club (in division 3) with more resources even now than most clubs in our league - of course somebody could do better than Phil Parkinson is doing.
He's NOT UP TO THE JOB. Simple. The results don't lie! I would suggest in fact, that ANY of the managers in this division whose teams are above us could do better with Charlton than Phil Parkinson and probably quite a few of those below us too!
Richard Murray's stated expectation was that we would have a competitive team challenging for the play-offs. Given that, would you agree that Parky is not coming up to that expectation? I voted for the 2/3 games option because his position is becoming untenable. What I'd really like is for him to turn it round and for us to go on an extended unbeaten run because recent history tells us that new managers coming in do not lift our results.
Two good posts these.
I've been reluctant to judge Parky up until now because I've always felt he's been doing his best with a squad that wasn't entirely his and suffered from a hang over from previous managers. He's built his own squad now though and, in general, I think he deserves credit for what he's managed to asseble in the way of quality. One area he's struggled with is attack, but that is forgivable on his budget - good strikers always cost the most.
What worries me now though is that he's struggling to get his team to gel and play to a coherent style. Added to this the style he appears to be trying to employ seems a bit one dimensional to me - I think we have players capable of playing a more varied system that would be harder to nulify. At the very least he needs to develop a distinct plan B - his rigid sticking to the 4-4-2 was amajor contribution to Saturday, it seemed fairly clear to me that we were being over-run in midfield and a switch in system was vital to get anything from the game, but Parky did nothing.
What also worries me is the number of goals we are conceding. I understand the difficulties of getting strikers for no money, so if we were simply struggling to finish off chances I'd understand that, but we look so hoplessly disorganised at the back and a bit lost in midfield. We have good players in both these departments who should be doing better. Those players certainly need to take some personal responsibility for their performances - particularly in terms of work rate and concentration but some of it definitely comes down to coaching - our vulnerability to set pieces for example.
This sqaud isn't perfect, but there is much more to be had out of it than Parkinson and co are currently getting and I think that puts us in a position where it's now fair and reasonable to ask if someone would be doing a better job. I'm coming round to the way of thinking that they would.
Personally, at the stage I am more inclined to go for the latter (although obviously not that extreme) as I do believe there has t be clear, undeniable, evidence of improvement.
No more sloppy goals conceded, particularly from set-pieces. Players working hard for 90 mins. A full 90 mins where we string two consecutive halves of decent football together and preferably a couple of wins.
It's not reasonable to demand a certain number of wins or points, though, as there are so many variables that can go against a team - refereeing decisions, injuries etc. All I expect is for us to be 'in' every game and to look organised. Saturday was a comprehensive a 4-0 as you could hope to see - I don't want to see another game this season where we're so clearly second best in every department.
Are you happy that we lose 4-0 in the next 5 games if we only lose to brilliant goals? OK Define brilliant, or at least define 'sloppy'.
Who sets the standard for whether players worked hard for 90 minutes? You? Would any layer himself admit to not doing this? How can Murray if they are?
We were outplayed in every department but we wont be playing the top team in the league for the next four games, doesn't that have an impact?
Setting points demands is the only undeniable way to show improvements, otherwise its all opinion.
That's exactly what I meant by my post. I picked 'time runing out' and I will be the judge of whether I change this to 'leave now'. Everyone else wil set their own parameters and Murray will have a cmpletely different set.
Personally all I ever expect from a Charlton team is for them to be. mostly, in control of what they can control. If that means we still lose to the better team, as I think may still have happened on Saturday, then fine but it's not acceptable to see Racon letting players run past him leaving the back 4 totally exposed, it's not acceptable to see Francis diving in on a winger knowing he won't get to the ball but wanting to look like he's tried, because he can't be bothered to chase after him and it's not acceptable to see the manager standing on the touchline, arms folded and doing nothing to try and counter-act an opposition which is clearly getting the better of us.
Ultimately Richard Murray has to make the judgment call as to whether or not he feels the next few performnaces are acceptable - neither you or I have any real say in the matter.
Precisely! It's not the losing (well - to a certain point) it's the performances, lack of passion or desire or even a glimmer of hope that we are improving week by week.
Totally agree. Which is why I may call for him to be sacked even if we do well in these next games.
As you say EA scorelines lie. If we are total rubbish, with no game-play, passion or clear plan B and yet win because of dubious penalties and the other team being utter rubbish, then i may still be calling for him to go after the next four matchs.
Bascially, as was the case with Pardew, the first cries have now gone out. With Pardew it took three more terrible perfomances before fans were outside the ground demanding action.
I foresee this number being the say for Parky and the next games are therefore crucical, both in terms of style and outcome.
Parky strikes me as a decent bloke but we need a tough manager to get us out of mid table obscurity in the third tier not someone to pop round for a curry.
There were nearly 19,000 there on Saturday to watch that humiliation. If we don't act soon there wont be anyone left to vote.
I dont think Murray has the balls to get rid of Mr Nice but prolonging the agony to Christmas will only make things worse.
Any chairman on the ball has at least three to five names in his top drawer as people that he'd want to speak with, if a change is needed.
The first thing is that change being needed needs to be recognized, and decided.
Once you've come to that conclusion, you relieve him of his duties. You don't go behind his back.
You appoint a caretaker for however long it takes to speak to your list, which should include potential managers available and potentially not available.
Every chairman needs to be prepared to change his manager, if necessary.
If the Arsenal board didn't have a shortlist to replace Wenger, or the Glaziers didn't have a shortlist to replace Ferguson, they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
Richard Murray should already have an idea of who he wants to talk to, whether Parky is gone now, in two weeks or over the holidays, or stays the whole season.
It's good business. A trait that Charlton used to have.
Since when did Ferguson become manager of Crystal Palace ?
I'll get my coat.
However, there is precious little evidence that points to any other conclusion than, nice guy though he undoubtedly is, he is a rubbish football manager.
The sooner we get rid, the sooner we can start trying to rescue our season so that this isn't another wasted year for a club that is living on borrowed time.
Thanks for trying, Parky........but please do the honourable thing and resign.
As depressing as Saturday was I think too much emphasis has been placed on one result. Just as people were to quick to praise Parkinson when he secured a couple of decent signings in the Summer they are now too quick to condemn him. I know we've been rubbish for most of the season so far but we are only twelve games in, with (in my view) a weaker team and squad than last year. Mid-table is a realistic expectation.
Although I have no knowledge of how the club works, it feels to me that there is too much wrong from top to bottom. It isn't just the manager, the whole club has lost it's way and has been lurching from farce to tragedy and back again for half a decade. The solution is a change of ownership (hopefully it's the solution - it's still a major gamble) and then let the new Chairman decide in light of whatever funds he is able to bring to the task. Assuming the latest rumours are not the usual BS, which they probably are, then that won't happen for a month or two yet I would guess.
No they can't see it, they're too close to see it - it's called Blind Faith.
I agree. PP should have walked / been sacked on Saturday evening. We are all going to regret the 'lost' bedding in time for the new manager when he is eventuslly appointed.
I'm sure people said similar things after the Northwich game and we the beat MK Dons 5-1 and went on a good run.
If he was that bad we wouldn't have made the play offs last season.
Not saying we definitely don't need a change, I think it's looking like we could do with one. A terrible manager doesn't lose just 8 league games over 46 matches though.
Murray mate, its time for a master stroke, its time to bring in someone who can actually succeed, who can actually manage a football club.
Its my birthday on Saturday im going down the casino with about 20 blokes gonna be messy by the time I come on here, I have absolutely no faith that Parky will be able to muster me even a point.
I dont know whether he should go, as we dont have any decent ideas of who should come in, as far as Im concerned there all rubbish. The only bloke I trust is lennie and curbs, and until someone comes along like that again we are screwed, its all about hanging on not getting to depressed and not killing yourself, just hope we get the right appointment. dont have much faith though at the moment.