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Orient v Charlton - POST MATCH VIEWS

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  • Waggy is the new Johnny Robinson on that performance. The type of player we've missed on the right side of midfield since he retired
  • ive said all along we have to give waggy time, he will become a good charlton player
  • That was a TEAM performance - 11 men, and then 10 men whether on their game or not, still tried their best and worked hard.

    Sublime bits of quality for the goals - Francis' cross, Martin's touch, Waggy's finish, Waggy's little nutmeg, look up and slide rule pass for Solly.

    Providing we try our hardest and never give up and mix it with that little bit of quality we have then we'll do ok this season. We need some more strength in depth and Apko needs to watch a video of Abbot's match - if you come on as sub, you've got to put a double shift in and prove to the boss you shouldn't have been dropped.

    Solly should feel disappointed being dropped, but there's only one way in which to show your desire - and that's prove the manager wrong.

    If he continues to do that, he'll play plenty of games for CAFC. Bring on the big boys in this league now - I want to see how this side reacts when tested!
  • Two games, two wins, two solid performances ultimately won by the quality and craft of our two wide midfield players coupled with determined, defensive resistance with 10 men. Reid and Waggy are there to provide the creative elements and between them they are delivering so far.

    I hope this is the making of Waggy. Until the goal i just didn't see it in him that he has the drive to his game. He lets the game go on around him too much for my liking but last night he showed he can take the bull by the horns and be a game changer. That all comes with confidence, and it will be interesting to see whether he can build on it in the next few games.

    It was a classic smash and grab, with real top-level quality attached to the goals. Perhaps i'm being too critical, but i didn't think our overall play was as strong as others have suggested. The game could easily have gone the other way, probably more so at 11 v 11. Going down to 10 men really put the emphasis on Orient to deliver, and i don't think they coped with it well. With 10-15 to go they seemed to run out of ideas.

    Hard to pick out individual performances, Waggy, Doherty, McCormack, Martin, Abbott and Llera collectively deserve special praise for what they brought to the table last night.

    Like last season, i think our opening league results have flattered us a little, but its certainly encouraging, and i'm happy to take it.

    Parky is making a big thing about that this side should get better as the season progresses, and he is right. If they don't, then it is fair to start questioning why. But for now, he appears to have carved together out of nothing a side mixed with youth and old, packed with determination and attitude, and who are attempting to play half decent football for Div Three standard.

    Those continually and vocally challenging him and dismissing him are proving a real, wholly unnecessary distraction. I hope desperately that if they are too stubborn to change their minds, they could at least learn to keep their feelings to themselves for the sake of everyone else who really want to back their manager.
  • Well said AKFA Bartram.

    Thats a good analysis. It was a great team performance. There is some grit and desire in the team.

    I thought that Racon played his midfield role with discipline. Kyel Reid had extra attention from Orient which prevented him breaking down the left flank but this I think, opened up some room for Wagstaff, who scored his best goal for the club.

    Orient, like Bournemouth were a bit limited but you can only beat whats in front of you. It is important that we put away the weaker teams away in this division. It seems with the strike force that's developing, we can score some goals, which what was missing last year. Lee Martin looks likes to me that he has found a new home he is happy to be in. He could be really important this year. He looks like he will be a real supporter's favourite as well.

    Abbot looks like a good striker. An able replacement for Burton and quicker.

    Sodje as a lump at the front is ok in a 442 but he hasn't looked good in the lone striker role. A decent goal scoring striker would make us really dangerous, if we can afford it.

    Tuna / Mambo out on loan for some regular first team football to strengthen.

    I would like to see Fortune in the squad as with his pace, it would allow us to play 442 at home with confidence when Doherty or Dailey is not available. Not quite sure if Mambo is ready yet and Llera is vulnerable in that formation. Llera for 451 / 4411.

    Parkinson can be stratagic challenged at times and he does make mistakes but I would like the parky critics to acknowledge good strategic decisions when he makes them. It would also be good to have some calmer heads around when we don't win every game / which is inevitable.
  • edited August 2010
    [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite] i didn't think our overall play was as strong as others have suggested. The game could easily have gone the other way, probably more so at 11 v 11.

    You may be right, AFKA. But your post is mostly about skill/quality. I don't think you make enough of what was essentially the difference between the two teams, which was our spirit.

    The change from last season was dramatic and palpable. As Boggzy puts it, rather strongly but not unfairly, no ''overpaid wasters'' anywhere in sight. Just 11(or ten!) honest, decent footballers playing for each other and for the team.

    It's only after seeing last night's performance that I realise how truly abject our spirit has been over the past couple of seasons. I didn't understand it when I read it on Saturday, but I now think I know why Parky in the Bournemouth prog. wrote that it was a ''positive result'' that we have lost most of last season's team.

    Sure, we got close and there were some spirited performances last term (nine men getting a point v Swindon at the Valley, for example). But you always felt every good performance would be followed by another truly dreadful one, where half the team (usually the overpaid half) hardly bothered to turn up. Last night might prove to be another false dawn. But somehow I don't think it will be...
  • [cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]
    The change from last season was dramatic and palpable. As Boggzy puts it, rather strongly but not unfairly, no ''overpaid wasters'' anywhere in sight. Just 11(or ten!) honest, decent footballers playing for each other and for the team.

    Disagree to be honest. I think sometimes we look too much for a 'change' story, when it probably isn't there. I certainly don't see any particular difference between the excellent smash and grab last night, and the hard fought coming back from a goal down to win at Brisbane Rd last season. Both victories were only secured by the collective determination of the players.

    If you had compared to 2-4 season before, you may well have a point. But i personally didn't witness too many overpaid wasters last season, and certainly not at Brisbane Rd.
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]

    Those continually and vocally challenging him and dismissing him are proving a real, wholly unnecessary distraction. I hope desperately that if they are too stubborn to change their minds, they could at least learn to keep their feelings to themselves for the sake of everyone else who really want to back their manager.


    ok i will

    reading back through my posts it seems that the Peroni took over my gob, although i still think dropping Solly was outrageous i dont think it warrented the swear words..

    i will contain my distain that he is still our manager up until the time that you all see for yourselves or we are back in the chumpionship and have stayed there for a season with him at the helm


    until then my thoughts on him will reamin mine and i will base them on solely the team and matchday performance no hidden agenda to PP, if he gets it wrong i will say so and base it on that days events only
  • Thing that strikes me is we appear to have more ofa TEAM this year. Said it when PP signed McCormack and Francis, that we are gonna have players with a bit more bottle and bite. Thought Waggy was poor first half but a completely different player when we went to 10 men. Seems Parky has his squad with belief this season and i like that.....
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]
    The change from last season was dramatic and palpable. As Boggzy puts it, rather strongly but not unfairly, no ''overpaid wasters'' anywhere in sight. Just 11(or ten!) honest, decent footballers playing for each other and for the team.

    Disagree to be honest. I think sometimes we look too much for a 'change' story, when it probably isn't there. I certainly don't see any particular difference between the excellent smash and grab last night, and the hard fought coming back from a goal down to win at Brisbane Rd last season. Both victories were only secured by the collective determination of the players.

    If you had compared to 2-4 season before, you may well have a point. But i personally didn't witness too many overpaid wasters last season, and certainly not at Brisbane Rd.

    Fair enough, AFKA. I respsct your view , as always.

    But why do you think Parky described losing most of last season's team as ''a positive result''? When I read that last Saturday, I thought it was an odd thing to say and didn't quite understand why he was saying it. How could losing Bailey, Sam, Burton, Richardson, Sam Sodje etc etc. be a ''positive result''?

    Last night I felt I could see exactly why he had said it.

    I'd be fascinated to know how others read his comment in last weekend's programme. Was he just trying to put a positive spin on something he had no control over? Or did he really mean it?
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  • i think he meant it in the fact that last seasons faliure would not be playing on the minds of this squaud and therefore adding extra unrequired pressure


    therefore it is a positive side to the negative aspect of loosing some good players
  • edited August 2010
    All in all a great team performance yesterday. I think we really showed the desire to win, no matter what. Even when we where down to ten men, I never felt like losing. Ultimately a quality performance by Wagstaff with a goal and an assist. When Parky took Reid off I thought that he could have easily taken Wagstaff off instead of Reid, but he proved me wrong. And what a night for Solly, being left out to come on in the final minutes and score with your first touch is really something for a young lad.

    I must say we do need an extra winger, when either Reid or Wagstaff picks up an injury or is suspended we are in trouble because we do need pace on the wings with the game we play.
  • This is the physically strongest Charlton team I have seen for a while.Saying that Parky has blended strenght and flair and has pace on the flanks.
    I'll stop here.Don't want to get carried away but I can see a chink of light in that long tunnel.
  • [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]nice to see Llera getting the credit he deserves, excellant when he came on. Francis for Solly. Why ? Francis was the weak link imo, poor possionally and passing. Jackson quiet but solid. The Doc outstanding. Waggy at last showed what he can do, great finish and great set-up. Martin was outstanding, so impressed with his workrate, as with Pavel. Racon ok, we miss Semedo, and McCormack very good too. Reidy done ok. Should have had a pen when Martin was hauled down.

    Negatives : have you ever seen a worse sub appearance than Akpo's ? The bench was very lightweight, need a couple of signings to bolster the squad.

    You have to have a little moan don't ya. Parkinson explained why Solly was on the bench,check it out. Yes I've seen worse subsitute appearances, but lets face it Akpoe#s was a cameo appearance and no more.
  • was going to say the same NLA.

    Pretty clear TBH as he would have wanted to keep most if not all of those players imho.
  • [cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]
    I'd be fascinated to know how others read his comment in last weekend's programme. Was he just trying to put a positive spin on something he had no control over? Or did he really mean it?

    I'd say a bit of both. He has no control over events, but he can try and emphasise the positives following the events.

    The downside being he lost the core of his squad, and some quality players in the process, but the upside was that following a relegation and failed play-off attempt, by having so many changes occur it meant there was less chance of a 'hangover' from players whose last two seasons have ultimately bee clouded by disappointment. A chance for a fresh start with a fresh group.

    Personally, i think it was needed. The quality and strength of the fresh group will now largely be down to our budgetary constraints and his managerial ability.
  • I'm obviously very thick. It wasn't ''pretty clear'' to me why losing all those players was ''a positive result'' (particularly if he wanted to keep them all!).

    But last night , I could definitely seet why a mass clear-out was not only positive but exactly what was needed.

    Well done, Parky. Quite amzing that he has engendered such a splendid spirit in a new side so swiftly. I think he's now shown what he can do with a clean slate, finally free of the post-Pardew hangover.
  • f****king brilliant performence by the lads! i loved watching the games good forward play and chasing down plus top notch defending was so happy
  • edited August 2010
    I said a few weeks ago that for good or for bad this will be Parky's team and he will have to be judged on this squad.

    Personally I'm surprised by the high ratings on the other threads and how pleased people are with the performance (not the result).

    I thought we were the better side and deserved to win but didn't think our overall performance was that good.

    We still haven't, understandably, clicked as a team although their is clearly a great deal of "spirit" and quite a bit of skill and guile.

    I was surprised that Solly was dropped for Francis who was unimpressive IMHO. Regulary beaten in the air and out of position for their goal.

    Wasn't impressed by Docherty either and thought Llera showed how to dominate a centre forward when he came on.

    Abbott was very good but he's not going to win many foot races. I'm surprised at the praise heaped on Martin who I thought had little impact in the 442 and was too often too far from Abbott to capitalise on Pavel's cleaver hold up play. He did well for Waggy's goal and did his defensive job wide left in the 441 well.

    Was surprised Parky took Reid off as I thought Martin was the most likely but he was proved correct.

    McCormack and Waggy. Two players written off on another site (yes Leftbehind you know which one) as "uncreative" and "never going to be good enough" showed both how wrong their doubters were and how silly it is to judge players on one performance or even no performances. My brother commented on how Waggy has beefed up and compared him to Johnny Robinson, another player who it took a while for Charlton fans to take to their hearts.

    Solly, think he only touched the ball once. Why all the fuss : - ) Said it before. He has the makers of a good wide midfielder.

    Sodje has been given stick as well but his hold up play was good and he did what he was told to do ie Stay up and drag their defenders back with him. Did he not set Waggy off for the final goal?

    In two league games we've not played fantasticly well and been down to ten men but have won both. That is great but it is early days.

    PP has nearly completed the building of a strong, experienced and battling squad albeit rather small but that is is a money thing. We can improve.

    No buying all this "spirit that was lacking last year" As AFKA has said we showed plenty of that last time around. It never stopped some fans slating the players for lack of guts or commitment every time we didn't win last year and it will be the same this time around as well.

    But it was a great night out, a real "I was there game" . good to see Olly, Choice, Creepy, Colin Walsh loved child, Shirty, johnny H, Mart77 and a few other lifers there. I'm told that Sky put my fisog on the box. Oh dear, that must have crashed the ratings!
  • Can I just check, is Chris Solly, this seasons stick to beat Parky with? Just checking, so we all know where we stand?
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  • Superb team performance last night. Wagstaff on the right is a breath of fresh air. What would Lloyd Sam have done in his position? Probably have dropped his shoulder and a couple of stepovers later the ball would be out for a throw in. We've got two direct wingers who do their job on both flanks and are both capable of scoring over ten goals this season.

    Abbott held the ball up brilliantly all game and with Reid, Wagstaff and Martin around him this season he should create plenty of goals as well as getting a few himself.

    Couldn't understand why Solly was dropped and did incredibly well to get the third - I honestly didn't think he was going to make it! Lets not forget Francis created the first goal though and had a good game.

    The Shrewsbury game could well be the best thing to happen to this team. They've learnt very early on in the season to kill teams off when in you are in the lead - just like Norwich did every week last season.
  • [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]Can I just check, is Chris Solly, this seasons stick to beat Parky with? Just checking, so we all know where we stand?

    dont think so but also did he deserve to be dropped
  • [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]Can I just check, is Chris Solly, this seasons stick to beat Parky with? Just checking, so we all know where we stand?

    No, that's McCormack. Or is it Wagstaff? Oh just checked you're right it is Solly.
  • I certainly don't think we had a team of wasters last season but I can see that we had a team that was put together in a very piecemeal fashion in as much as we had to take players because there was little choice i.e Omosusi, Borrowdale and previously players like Butterfield and Waghorn. Not to say those players didn't try but this group have been acquired in a different way and I think Parky perhaps feels that they are truly his team. That's the way I see it at least.
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]
    A chance for a fresh start with a fresh group.

    Personally, i think it was needed.

    Yes, agree with that. It does feel like a fresh start, doesn't it? And I've a feeling - to quote a decent song rather discredited by T. Blair - that things can only get better.
  • [cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]I certainly don't think we had a team of wasters last season but I can see that we had a team that was put together in a very piecemeal fashion in as much as we had to take players because there was little choice i.e Omosusi, Borrowdale and previously players like Butterfield and Waghorn. Not to say those players didn't try but this group have been acquired in a different way and I think Parky perhaps feels that they are truly his team. That's the way I see it at least.

    Agree, it's Parky's team now and much more a planned and balanced squad than in recent seasons.
  • What AFKA said.
  • So there I was, in Germany, middle of nowhere, Friday evening and Charlton on Sky. Googled for an Irish pub, phoned around; "Charlton who and who?" they said. " We are showing Bayern v Real Madrid tonight but we'll see what we can do" Patience is a virtue.
    Broke the land speed record over 30 miles and arrived at Murphy's Mannheim with 5 minutes to KO.
    "To be sure, are you the one that phoned to watch Coventry?" " Not quite Sean, Charlton"
    "See that corner, you can see it there" Jubilation and a pint of the black stuff, other half gets a coke and settles in for another night of boredom and embarrasment.
    Whole pub silent watching boring Bayern v Not interested Real. Our corner a seething hotbed of football passion.
    First goal, on our feet screaming. Barman tells us he will throw us out for disturbing the Germans. Laughs all round.
    Rest of game passes in an unforgetable procession of more black stuff and right stuff from the addicks.
    Reid; what a game, class touch for Waggy. Wagstaffe; maturing and gaining in confidence on the break away. A natural goal scorers composure at the crucial moments.
    Solly; wonderful man management from Parky. The kid would probably jump over a cliff for him now.
    1-3
    Happened to be walking past the crowd of bored Germans behind us watching their game on the way out. Asked them who is playing. "Who and who" I said. "You should have been watching that game over there. Charlton v Orient".
    Tee hee.
    Rest of night passes in absolute contentment.
    Wonderful game football.
  • well pleased with the result and quite a lot of the performance ...
    fairplay to parky for not being afraid to drop solly and akpo , that was a brave decision (one i would have done;-) and HIS team won
    wagstaff's second half was the best i've seen him play so well pleased for him , please keep it up
    the effort of martin was tremendous and abbott i'm liking a lot , so hopefully akpo wont be required
    racon gave the ball away cheaply too many times for my liking but defensively we looked solid aerially(a bit more pace and guile will trouble us) and even though he doesn't punch great and cant catch for toffee i liked the way robbie came steaming through a few times to clear all and sundry
    like last season we've played some pony teams early on and hopefully we can gel that little bit more when we face huddersfield
    great atmosphere from the fans, as you'd expect with a 10 man performance but piddly numbers over there and the team deserve more support than the armchair brigade gave them, come on lets be having ya
    Atm I think we are 5% automatic promotion, 70% play offs and 25% miss the play offs
  • We've got our Charlton back ! A phrase used spasmodically of late but for me the pure effort, gut busting determination and performance as a cohesive UNIT last night makes this likely to be an ongoing refrain. All proud to wear the shirt and to work tirelessly for each other.

    I've been a little critical of Waggy but he appears to be "growing" from game to game . However, Abbott & McCormack must be the new jewels in Charlton's crown...Can't praise Parky & his staff enough for targetting these two & getting them onboard. No goals for Russ, but what a workaholic - a real handful up front , the likes of which might have seen us automatically promoted last time ? But shouldn't single out anyone last night - they all played their part .

    First time we've driven home through a trouble free Blackwall Tunnel to thoroughly enjoy watching the performance again in front of the TV with a pot of tea & a packet of choc digestives...Really know how to celebrate !!!

    Tickets booked for Huddersfield & Exeter and seriously thinking of sponsoring a shirt again ....
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