If that's how you feel, NLA, then what are you actually going to DO about it? It's not just about a faction of disgruntled fans "making themselves heard". As Chizz says, it's about getting the Supporters Trust off the ground, or raising some money to fund the loan of a striker to the end of the season (if we can find a cheap but good one somewhere, that is...).
Otherwise "making yourselves heard" eg by booing or chanting is just negativity which ruins the atmosphere for fans who have a bit more patience, and which potentially affects the confidence of individual players and the team.
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]Otherwise "making yourselves heard" eg by booing or chanting is just negativity which ruins the atmosphere for fans who have a bit more patience, and which potentially affects the confidence of individual players and the team.
Spot on Weegie.
The Valley at the moment is a rotten place to both play and watch football.
The atmosphere is dreadful.
Parky's point is clearly, "we're not quite firing on all 4 cylinders, some players' self-confidence is a bit shot - and there is a fear factor hovering over us.
"With 9 games left, we're 3rd in the table, still have a reasonable chance of automatic promotion.
But we need some help".
It's an appeal for everyone to back the team, create the right atmosphere and a lift to the players.
It boils down to the old question: how badly do we the club, management and supporters want promotion?
It's not about blame culture or scapegoat hunting. We're all in this together.
I reckon we should all happily clap and cheer the lads on even when we are playing poorly. Do you think Parky will realise what a sarcastic response this would be. I think he needs to be realistic in that a minority of the 17,000 support will jeer and boo if they are not happy with the football being played. After all they have paid the entrance fee and want to see us win games? I don't condone booing, I'm against it in fact, but what does Parky expect from everyone? He and the players get paid good money to do a professional job, and that job also includes handling the pressure of the local support. Deal with it I say and shut the booers up by winning games.
Oggy of course we want promotion - but judging by the results since December, when the crowd were very good at home to Millwall, then away to Wycombe, Swindon, Millwall etc - the question SHOULD be asked - do the players actually want promotion because they are the ones consistently not performing.
Bristol city had had an awful run, gary johnson goes new face in the dug out get a brilliant 2 2 with newcastle, peterbrough dead and buried jim gannon came in has won a few of late. Another point I have said on here time and time again, when pards went a clean sweep was needd. We didn't do it we gave his right hand man the job and know he is stinking of pards, the motionless arms crossed on the touchline digs at the coverd end when walking off. A fresh face may just do enough to reignite this team give jj a game jesus even mouts.. I know we won't do it but the board said promotion is a must they must belive in parky.
if Parky's rant was an attempt to get the fans behind the team then he went the wrong way about it. If you want the fans to back you then you don't slag them off. He said he didn't bring the players in the day after Millwall because to train would be counter productive. Who said anything about training. I'd have hauled them in for four hours and just had 'em sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Might have made them realise that if they had performed the day before they would still be with their families on the Sunday. Parky is too nice, too namby-pamby. Needs to get tough with some of them. As for the money, pah !! We held onto, as he pleaded to, our top players. Top players are on the best wages hence the high wage bill and no real room for maneovre within it. If he'd wanted a decent striker I'm sure the chance was there to sell a Shelvey, Bailey, Racon etc and invest in one but he decided to do it this way. Live with it mate. I've always thought he was the wrong man for the job ever since he stayed after Pardew went but now he is just pissing me off.
Weegie i dont do the booing thing until Halftime on Saturday when i thought enough is enough i wanted him to know that as did 1000's of others it has gone from a few to a few hundred and it is now enough people for peoiple to take note.
What am i going to do absolutely nothing because like i said i dont want to attack the board that bought me to the premeirship blind loyalty i will call it,
So i will vent my anger at the person i hold accountable for this season and that is PP and i will boo everytime he sends out a team that plays like it did in the first half saturday and the 2nd half last week,
Did you go Weegie sat? was you satisfied?
He put this team together he is responsible he will bear the brunt of the criticism
[cite]Posted By: Stu of HU5[/cite]
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite][b aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]It's an appeal for everyone to back the team, create the right atmosphere and a lift to the players.[/b]
Like at the Den? Or Orient?
He's running for excuses, just like his old lover Pards.
Same mistakes, same excuses.
All this crying really is pathetic, he moans about having no money, exactly how much has been wasted on McKenzie I wonder.....
spot on
I can think of other games when he has had the support and let us down.
I have stopped buying this cheer forever more and never show your distain, Pards and him have killed it, When Reading were rumoured to be looking at him i said he could go and i would be chuffed to bits we were 2nd in the table and looking strong, it is an inevitability with him at the helm that he will fail either this season or if we got promoted then he would be sacked and we would be fighting to survive once again.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: Stu of HU5[/cite]
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite][b aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]It's an appeal for everyone to back the team, create the right atmosphere and a lift to the players.[/b]
Like at the Den? Or Orient?
He's running for excuses, just like his old lover Pards.
Same mistakes, same excuses.
All this crying really is pathetic, he moans about having no money, exactly how much has been wasted on McKenzie I wonder.....
But Stu, that might be your opinion and all that (fair enough) - but surely many are missing the big picture here?
It's all about, with just 9 games left, whether we can all pull together.
That's why we need to put aside our misgivings for now.
We do WANT promotion, don't we?
Oggster we all want promotion but believe me the fans will not influence wether we get it or not, the support is there for them they have to earn it but it is there.
You get batterd by your nearest rivals 4 nil humiliated your fans are fuming then you go and do what they did in the first 45 mins against another annoying zit of a team from up the road it was embarrsing proper embarrasing not one boo until half time and we are 2 -1 down at that point.
what should the fans have done sit there and put up with it in silence again
Mc Kenzie is injured and has been for most of his time here one way or the other.
On paper a decent signing adding value if fit but not Parky's fault he is not.
If you want a scapegoat McKenzie must have had a medical before signing: how the hell did he pass it? Or is Parky supposed to be the fount of medical knowledge too?
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]Mc Kenzie is injured and has been for most of his time here one way or the other.
So then Parkys even more of an idiot for putting an injured player on the bench...........
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]
On paper a decent signing adding value if fit but not Parky's fault he is not.
Pretty sure McKenzie has form for getting lots of injuries, so Parky must have been aware of the risk he was taking, I risk we can, by his own admission, hardly afford to be making at the moment.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]Leon has been on the bench for loads of our games len fit enough for the bench surely fit enough to play
Fit enough to play but not for 90 minutes it would seem. Hence being placed on the bench.
There was an article on the OS in which Parky talked about McKenzie not long after he signed.
The gist of it as I remember was that Leon has missed a lot of football through injury so will have to get match fit gradually and be reintroduced gradually.
Perhaps Parky wanted to pick him. Has anybody thought of that? But, surprise, surprise, he's picked up yet another injury!
There was an article in SLP about a month back which McKenzie was basically saying he was frustrated as he wasn't playing, which I take it a s a sign that he was fit enough to play.
The reason McKenzie ended up with us was because of his injury record. If he had been 1005 fully fit, he'd have got a place in the CCC. I guess it was a gamble that hasn't come off for Parky, but can't condemn him for that.
[cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]The reason McKenzie ended up with us was because of his injury record. If he had been 1005 fully fit, he'd have got a place in the CCC. I guess it was a gamble that hasn't come off for Parky, but can't condemn him for that.
In our financial situation, it was a risk Parky should never have taken.
To take the risk and not play the guy when he is fit is an absolute joke.
[cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]The reason McKenzie ended up with us was because of his injury record. If he had been 1005 fully fit, he'd have got a place in the CCC. I guess it was a gamble that hasn't come off for Parky, but can't condemn him for that.
In our financial situation, it was a risk Parky should never have taken.
To take the risk and not play the guy when he is fit is an absolute joke.
Parky spots the player he likes the look of. That player then has a medical.
If the medical team say the player is fit how is it Parky's fault?
At the start of the season the stated aim of Parky and the senior players was automatic promotion. It aint going to happen, so here come the excuses!!! Can't criticise though, I do the same to my MD when I miss my monthly targets!
Might like to bear in mind though Parky that we have the 2nd highest wage bill in the division (source-RM Q&A, The Valley, Dec 09).
Parky spots the player he likes the look of. That player then has a medical.
If the medical team say the player is fit how is it Parky's fault?
He's an injury prone player, who just wasnt injured at the time he went through his medical.
Parky signed him, that is why Parky is at fault.
Yet if McKenzie went to say Millwall or Leeds and did well, you'd be saying Parky was too scared to take a gamble. Yes he had injury problems in the past but it was never certain they'd continue. Millwall and Leeds both took gambles on Beckford and Morison, with the transfer fees they must have cost a fair bit as well. I can see why he took a gamble on a striker, a lot of strikers clubs sign at this level are gambles.
Just seen Parky post Gillingham on CAFCTV. He's SO defensive he might as well have had 3 centre halves and a sweeper with him at the press conference! Can't believe he's referencing Millwall and Colchester as if we should be PLEASED we're competing with them-well almost!!!
[cite]Posted By: stevietwells[/cite]At the start of the season the stated aim of Parky and the senior players was automatic promotion. It aint going to happen, so here come the excuses!!! Can't criticise though, I do the same to my MD when I miss my monthly targets!
Might like to bear in mind though Parky that we have the 2nd highest wage bill in the division (source-RM Q&A, The Valley, Dec 09).
Yes, we should have said we are aiming for 10th. Then you'd be really happy now. Booooooooo.
just been wondering how his comments have gone down with the Board. At a time when they are desperately trying to flog next seasons season tickets along comes the Millwall debacle and then the Manager criticising the fans. Whatever the circumstances that is hardly conducive to fans renewing. Add to that his comments about the fans not being given the info reagrding the financial situation and squad funding it's hardly likely to endear him to the Board.
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Otherwise "making yourselves heard" eg by booing or chanting is just negativity which ruins the atmosphere for fans who have a bit more patience, and which potentially affects the confidence of individual players and the team.
Spot on Weegie.
The Valley at the moment is a rotten place to both play and watch football.
The atmosphere is dreadful.
Parky's point is clearly, "we're not quite firing on all 4 cylinders, some players' self-confidence is a bit shot - and there is a fear factor hovering over us.
"With 9 games left, we're 3rd in the table, still have a reasonable chance of automatic promotion.
But we need some help".
It's an appeal for everyone to back the team, create the right atmosphere and a lift to the players.
It boils down to the old question: how badly do we the club, management and supporters want promotion?
It's not about blame culture or scapegoat hunting. We're all in this together.
Like at the Den? Or Orient?
He's running for excuses, just like his old lover Pards.
Same mistakes, same excuses.
All this crying really is pathetic, he moans about having no money, exactly how much has been wasted on McKenzie I wonder.....
But Stu, that might be your opinion and all that (fair enough) - but surely many are missing the big picture here?
It's all about, with just 9 games left, whether we can all pull together.
That's why we need to put aside our misgivings for now.
We do WANT promotion, don't we?
Welcome to CharltonLife uncle.
Ha ha thanks mate.
What am i going to do absolutely nothing because like i said i dont want to attack the board that bought me to the premeirship blind loyalty i will call it,
So i will vent my anger at the person i hold accountable for this season and that is PP and i will boo everytime he sends out a team that plays like it did in the first half saturday and the 2nd half last week,
Did you go Weegie sat? was you satisfied?
He put this team together he is responsible he will bear the brunt of the criticism
spot on
I can think of other games when he has had the support and let us down.
I have stopped buying this cheer forever more and never show your distain, Pards and him have killed it, When Reading were rumoured to be looking at him i said he could go and i would be chuffed to bits we were 2nd in the table and looking strong, it is an inevitability with him at the helm that he will fail either this season or if we got promoted then he would be sacked and we would be fighting to survive once again.
Oggster we all want promotion but believe me the fans will not influence wether we get it or not, the support is there for them they have to earn it but it is there.
You get batterd by your nearest rivals 4 nil humiliated your fans are fuming then you go and do what they did in the first 45 mins against another annoying zit of a team from up the road it was embarrsing proper embarrasing not one boo until half time and we are 2 -1 down at that point.
what should the fans have done sit there and put up with it in silence again
On paper a decent signing adding value if fit but not Parky's fault he is not.
If you want a scapegoat McKenzie must have had a medical before signing: how the hell did he pass it? Or is Parky supposed to be the fount of medical knowledge too?
So then Parkys even more of an idiot for putting an injured player on the bench...........
Pretty sure McKenzie has form for getting lots of injuries, so Parky must have been aware of the risk he was taking, I risk we can, by his own admission, hardly afford to be making at the moment.
Fit enough to play but not for 90 minutes it would seem. Hence being placed on the bench.
There was an article on the OS in which Parky talked about McKenzie not long after he signed.
The gist of it as I remember was that Leon has missed a lot of football through injury so will have to get match fit gradually and be reintroduced gradually.
Perhaps Parky wanted to pick him. Has anybody thought of that? But, surprise, surprise, he's picked up yet another injury!
In our financial situation, it was a risk Parky should never have taken.
To take the risk and not play the guy when he is fit is an absolute joke.
Parky spots the player he likes the look of. That player then has a medical.
If the medical team say the player is fit how is it Parky's fault?
He's an injury prone player, who just wasnt injured at the time he went through his medical.
Parky signed him, that is why Parky is at fault.
Might like to bear in mind though Parky that we have the 2nd highest wage bill in the division (source-RM Q&A, The Valley, Dec 09).
Yes, we should have said we are aiming for 10th. Then you'd be really happy now. Booooooooo.