[cite]Posted By: paulsturgess[/cite]nope. for me he's using that as an excuse. i dont boo and didnt today but whilst i understand he has had sod all money to spend, he has also inherited some very good players at this level and just because he has only been able to buy frees and loans, doesnt mean he should be able to get away with buying bad frees and loans! mooney and sodje are a comedy strikeforce we are not going anywhere with those two up front. yeh okay so you havent got 1million to spend on grant holt, but charlie austin and steve morrison both came from non-league.
and regardless of the different sides of the argument that people may present in terms of the limited funds he has had and pros and cons of the signings he has made, that is irrelevant in the context of last weeks debacle and simply what he is doing with the players/squad that he does have.
Because although i don't agree with or partake in booing, if theres ever a time when its suitable its when you have just ashamed the club and let down the supporters away at Millwall in our biggest game of the season and then a week later you are defending catastrophically and 2-1 down at home to a side who havent won away all season. Theres no excuse for that.
Morrison cost 250k rising to 350k.......unless we are bought out by someone its going to be a very long time before we spend that sort of money on a player.
Austin was 50k I believe. Probably add ons as well. Again out of league as we can't spend on fees.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite] One of the best, but not the best. We're third. Last season fans wanted him to be judged on results, not performances. This season we've got the results but not the performances, and it's still not good enough.
They haven't tuned into bad players no, but they were never fantastic players in the first place.
True. We're probably in as good a position as we had any reason to expect. It does however hide the uncomfortable fact that for the first few months of the season we overperformed (with some good luck thrown in) and since Xmas we have severely underperformed (with some bad luck). Except for that start we would be mid-table. What it says about next season is something I don't like to dwell on.
Personally I'd say well done Parky for putting yourself in the firing line (metaphorically), you can talk the talk now see if you can get the team to walk the walk and play the games as well.
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I don't care how much money you didn't have..........you played Mooney instead of Shelvey, and brought on Akpo instead of Waggy.
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Waggy for Burton? Mooney scored and looked better then the boo boys would have give him credit.
Amazing insight on recent games from Hull as well in this thread
I am desperate to see Shelvey play but the abuse I hear Mooney get is getting on my goat.He isn't a prolific scorer but I tell you what the reason he misses a few chances is because he gets himself in the positions inthe first place.
His goal was well taken and he doesn't feckin hide,which a lot of this team does,so you wont see me getting on his back
[cite]Posted By: paulsturgess[/cite]mooney and sodje are a comedy strikeforce we are not going anywhere with those two up front
Yes, and Dickson and McLeod were a comedy strike force, too. So bringing in Akpo and Mooney was no real improvement.
That's why people have a problem with many of the loan signings. If they show that they are appreciably better than what we already had available, then yes, we will love 'em.
If they are no real improvement, then fans will take against them. Borrowed may be another example : can anyone say that today he looked better than Solly?
I'm not against loanees at all. But I am arguing in the context of Parky's comments today about building a team with no money that if he's going to being in loanees then they have to be better than what we already have...
[cite]Posted By: drawnablank[/cite]To early to judge Borrowdale after his first game.
But the point about short-term emergency loanees,surely, is that they have to do a job from game one. How many games does the poor chap need to ''settle in''? He's off again in three weeks!
My only criticism of Parky today - and I certainly don't agree with the boo- boys and welcome his post match thoughts - is the substitution of Racon - who I thought was playing really well in the 2nd half - would have preferred Reid for Sam with Bailey switching to right - thought we didn't hold on to possession as well with Racon off the field
Borrowdale did ok but if it wasn't for bad luck we have had no luck at all with FB injuries
PP makes some valid point re transfer fees but we are still spending a lot more on wages than gills or Spanners but not seeing a comparable gap in class.
Agree about Jackson, Henry. Reid falls into the same category,too, I think. Good loan signings who bring something different/better than what is already available elsewhere in the squad.
They also both performed well in their respective first games for us (Reid was MOM, I seem to remember). Thought Borrowdale was mediocre today and Solly could have done just as well. When you're only here for four weeks, I don't see how you have time for the luxury of ''bedding in''...
Does no one else think Parky's comments are aimed as much at the board as they are at the booing supporters? Is he trying to put some pressure on to get them to put their hands in their pockets (again) and make a couple of decent loan signings to make a difference? If Burton's strained his medial ligaments he could be out for the next 5-6 games.
Yes, I would have played Waggy for 65 mins instead of Akpo.
Mooney never upped his game until he scored - then you could see the elements of his game that have been lacking. He hasn't been holding up the ball, winning tackles or blocks/challenges - but after his goal, suddenly it came back to him. Next week, he had better carry on where he left off.
Also, I don't want him walking round the Valley pitch with his hand cupped to his ear - he should have heard some of the conversations our fans were having this week after a 4-0 humiliation - that would have burnt his ear.
Akpo is another who is selling us short. He is not doing enough work off the ball for me, or winning enough headers. OK, his goal tally is fair - but I want him to win more headers and get more shots away.
May I also remind everyone that Parky said "Leon is going to spearhead our promotion challenge and get the goals that take us out of this division" - so i don't want to hear him bleating about how much he has had to spend, because when he did have the choice he bought Leon bloody McKenzie.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]jackson was a big improvement but he got injured.
Borrowdale did ok but if it wasn't for bad luck we have had no luck at all with FB injuries
PP makes some valid point re transfer fees but we are still spending a lot more on wages than gills or Spanners but not seeing a comparable gap in class.[/quote]
But lets also remember when we talk the clubs wage bill that there is a hangover from Pardew with stupid contracts being given to Moo2, McLeod both of whom probably taking a large wedge out of the budget, plus we wanted Bailey to stay hence his increase.
That said the mind does boggle at why we brought in McEnzie who allegedly is on a decent wage despite his injury and what is happening to Spring.
It does sound like he is making excuses for how badly the team is playing at the moment, he knew the financial situation when he took over and has been pointed out these are most of his signings out there trying to perform. For me he has lost it, seems he doesn't know what to do and that has filtered down to the players.
That said, the booing doesn't help but when you see what is going on out there it is hard not to, I just about held myself back from doing it
Youga played for ressies in midweek so hopefully will be back to near 100% by the time Borrowdale needs to go back. He did ok today,though
Solly is one for the future but needs to play RB if anywhere. As someone else pointed out, don't want to see a Pardew/Waggy scenario where he is thrown in too early.
I don't blame Parky for what he said, but the reaction should be considered in the context of the position we're now in compared to where we were just a few years ago and the frustration of seeing automatic promotion slipping away.
He obviously hasn't had much to work with, but like it or not he did sign a centre forward who hasn't been good enough/fit enough to start a game since September. He must have also known the cash situation before he took the job - and got the contract extension last year - and didn't exactly cover himself in glory over the final months of last season. Rightly or wrongly, his association with the Pardew era obviously doesn't help when people want to make their views known.
I didn't boo, but again left feeling hacked off at dropping more points.
I don't think he's done that bad a job all things considered, but at the same time am not convinced that we've got the best out of the squad at his disposal.
I have never warmed to him, I am strongly of the opinion that he should have gone with Pardew.
I'm not a moaner though & I fervently hope we go up, but the fact is that we started this season with a squad that should have been too good for this league.
We haven't, since the early weeks of the season shown that despite somehow maintaining that 3rd place. It's a weak league & his excuses about lack of money & wages - just mask some really poor team performances of late.
I have been a very strong critic of Parky on this board for some weeks now. Having said that I can`t help feeling a little sorry for him today. Oakster has this nailed though.
Good for him ..... for saying exactly it as he sees it.
And if the the Boo boys won't get behind the team and constantly undermine players - well, what do they expect Parky to say?
And I like the way he bigs up a player like Mooney.
Mooney has come to League football late, he's inexperienced and he has his shortcomings - which is why he's playing for Charlton and not Chelsea.
Mooney's in the team for a reason - and it's not his team mates that you hear slagging him off.
Parky is not the perfect manager - and he hasn't got the perfect players or the perfect team.
But it is evident he's giving it his best shot.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]it is evident he's giving it his best shot.
Not sure that anyone has disputed that.
Certainly some on here have questioned whether his best is good enough.
But that's quite a different thing, isn't it?
Actually, there are a number of quite pitiful and spiteful attacks on him doing the rounds. Not so much on here, but you have a look on one or two other boards where people are less reasonable and you will see some pretty nasty vitriol.
I think the main problem is that Parky's comments will serve only to harden the views of supporters. The boo and anti-boo lobbies will adhere to their views with even greater vigour. I'm not sure that the comments will have done anything other than allow Parky to have 'got it off his chest', but maybe that in itself is not such a bad thing.
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Parky hasnt inherited anything, he's been here since 2007, some people make out like he only got the job 2 week ago ffs.
Morrison cost 250k rising to 350k.......unless we are bought out by someone its going to be a very long time before we spend that sort of money on a player.
Austin was 50k I believe. Probably add ons as well. Again out of league as we can't spend on fees.
True. We're probably in as good a position as we had any reason to expect. It does however hide the uncomfortable fact that for the first few months of the season we overperformed (with some good luck thrown in) and since Xmas we have severely underperformed (with some bad luck). Except for that start we would be mid-table. What it says about next season is something I don't like to dwell on.
I am desperate to see Shelvey play but the abuse I hear Mooney get is getting on my goat.He isn't a prolific scorer but I tell you what the reason he misses a few chances is because he gets himself in the positions inthe first place.
His goal was well taken and he doesn't feckin hide,which a lot of this team does,so you wont see me getting on his back
Yes, and Dickson and McLeod were a comedy strike force, too. So bringing in Akpo and Mooney was no real improvement.
That's why people have a problem with many of the loan signings. If they show that they are appreciably better than what we already had available, then yes, we will love 'em.
If they are no real improvement, then fans will take against them. Borrowed may be another example : can anyone say that today he looked better than Solly?
I'm not against loanees at all. But I am arguing in the context of Parky's comments today about building a team with no money that if he's going to being in loanees then they have to be better than what we already have...
But the point about short-term emergency loanees,surely, is that they have to do a job from game one. How many games does the poor chap need to ''settle in''? He's off again in three weeks!
EDIT: I was referring to Borrowdale there not Racon!
Borrowdale did ok but if it wasn't for bad luck we have had no luck at all with FB injuries
PP makes some valid point re transfer fees but we are still spending a lot more on wages than gills or Spanners but not seeing a comparable gap in class.
They also both performed well in their respective first games for us (Reid was MOM, I seem to remember). Thought Borrowdale was mediocre today and Solly could have done just as well. When you're only here for four weeks, I don't see how you have time for the luxury of ''bedding in''...
And which league is that then Parky?
Mooney never upped his game until he scored - then you could see the elements of his game that have been lacking. He hasn't been holding up the ball, winning tackles or blocks/challenges - but after his goal, suddenly it came back to him. Next week, he had better carry on where he left off.
Also, I don't want him walking round the Valley pitch with his hand cupped to his ear - he should have heard some of the conversations our fans were having this week after a 4-0 humiliation - that would have burnt his ear.
Akpo is another who is selling us short. He is not doing enough work off the ball for me, or winning enough headers.
OK, his goal tally is fair - but I want him to win more headers and get more shots away.
May I also remind everyone that Parky said "Leon is going to spearhead our promotion challenge and get the goals that take us out of this division" - so i don't want to hear him bleating about how much he has had to spend, because when he did have the choice he bought Leon bloody McKenzie.
Borrowdale did ok but if it wasn't for bad luck we have had no luck at all with FB injuries
PP makes some valid point re transfer fees but we are still spending a lot more on wages than gills or Spanners but not seeing a comparable gap in class.[/quote]
But lets also remember when we talk the clubs wage bill that there is a hangover from Pardew with stupid contracts being given to Moo2, McLeod both of whom probably taking a large wedge out of the budget, plus we wanted Bailey to stay hence his increase.
That said the mind does boggle at why we brought in McEnzie who allegedly is on a decent wage despite his injury and what is happening to Spring.
That said, the booing doesn't help but when you see what is going on out there it is hard not to, I just about held myself back from doing it
Not blaming a kid playing out of position but we need a more experienced and natural LB until Youga returns
Solly is one for the future but needs to play RB if anywhere. As someone else pointed out, don't want to see a Pardew/Waggy scenario where he is thrown in too early.
He obviously hasn't had much to work with, but like it or not he did sign a centre forward who hasn't been good enough/fit enough to start a game since September.
He must have also known the cash situation before he took the job - and got the contract extension last year - and didn't exactly cover himself in glory over the final months of last season. Rightly or wrongly, his association with the Pardew era obviously doesn't help when people want to make their views known.
I didn't boo, but again left feeling hacked off at dropping more points.
I don't think he's done that bad a job all things considered, but at the same time am not convinced that we've got the best out of the squad at his disposal.
I'm not a moaner though & I fervently hope we go up, but the fact is that we started this season with a squad that should have been too good for this league.
We haven't, since the early weeks of the season shown that despite somehow maintaining that 3rd place. It's a weak league & his excuses about lack of money & wages - just mask some really poor team performances of late.
If we don't go up he has to go.
Good for him ..... for saying exactly it as he sees it.
And if the the Boo boys won't get behind the team and constantly undermine players - well, what do they expect Parky to say?
And I like the way he bigs up a player like Mooney.
Mooney has come to League football late, he's inexperienced and he has his shortcomings - which is why he's playing for Charlton and not Chelsea.
Mooney's in the team for a reason - and it's not his team mates that you hear slagging him off.
Parky is not the perfect manager - and he hasn't got the perfect players or the perfect team.
But it is evident he's giving it his best shot.
Not sure that anyone has disputed that.
Certainly some on here have questioned whether his best is good enough.
But that's quite a different thing, isn't it?
Actually, there are a number of quite pitiful and spiteful attacks on him doing the rounds. Not so much on here, but you have a look on one or two other boards where people are less reasonable and you will see some pretty nasty vitriol.