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Parkinson's Post Match Thoughts

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edited March 2010 in General Charlton
http://www.cafc.co.uk/newsview.ink?nid=35817

I thought a seperate thread on this was needed so please put your thoughts on Parky's points here.

I think he shows a side of him we have not seen before. Is it because of the pressure getting to him? Is he stating FACTs? Has he had enough?

Go mental.
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  • Glad to see him show some emotion to his critics (me included). Hope this means he is going to come out fighting and prove he is right and that I and my fellow critics wrong. Good on yer Parky.
  • Good on him I say
  • edited March 2010
    To be honest he has made very valid points and is fighting back at those who booed. He has done well with little or nothing to spend and we are still 3rd, ok automatic may be slipping and it was a lost opportunity today to improve our claim to 2nd. But there is a long way to go in this season yet so we need to get behind the team. Well done Parky for fighting back, it needed to be said
  • Must say - interesting comments and should provide a bit of a wake up call for some fans.

    Past is the past. Mendonca was Mendonca. Now is now it seems the message.
  • so how come our wage bill is one of the highest in the league this year?
  • [cite]Posted By: mendonca[/cite]Must say - interesting comments and should provide a bit of a wake up call for some fans.

    Past is the past. Mendonca was Mendonca. Now is now it seems the message.

    sorry when you continously leave our most gifted player on the bench you need kick up the arris
  • To be honest, after reading what he said, I must admit I'm feeling a bit of guilt at the stick I gave at the end. It's not that I think Parky is a a particularly bad manager, it's just frustration at seeing another season going up in smoke when it really matters.

    It's hard not to get swept up in the negativity down there at the moment especially after last week's debacle-hopefully we'll turn things around next week.
  • [cite]Posted By: ThreadKiller[/cite]so how come our wage bill is one of the highest in the league this year?

    exactely, we may well have spent sweet fa but thats because we already had a core team of league one and above players
  • Good on him. Not an unreasonable response. He was clearly pissed off with the North Upper at the end and seemed to make a point of clapping the boo boys.

    What does worry me though, is that he is usually pretty unflappable and for him to suddenly come out with these sorts of comments points to two things;

    a) the fans discontent does effect the players
    b) he is losing his cool under pressure

    Unfortunately, I have us down for no more than a point over the next 2 games so he had better get used to disquiet from the stands.
  • [cite]Posted By: ThreadKiller[/cite]so how come our wage bill is one of the highest in the league this year?
    The biggest earners are all surely Pardew signings. They never expected to be in League One so I doubt they had clauses that meant their wages would drop.
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  • [cite]Posted By: andyaddick[/cite]"What the supporters have got to understand is that I've pieced this team together with absolutely no money. I've always been in a position of uncertainty, even over what wages I can give players because of the financial constraints at the club.


    "If there any supporters out there with the odd million pounds floating around and they want to donate it to us to go and get a proven striker, like Norwich City did when they got Grant Holt, then I'll gladly go and get it."

    So is he admitting that the players HE has brought in are shite ?? Most of them at the club and on the pitch today were already AT THE CLUB when he took over !
    What exactly has he 'pieced' together ?

    Richardson
    Dailly
    S Sodje
    Borrowdale
    A Sodje
    Mooney
    Burton
    Reid
    Llera

    That's 9 of the squad today that weren't at the club before he took over.

    Add to that the fact that Elliot was nowhere near the first team and I think you'll find it pretty much is a team he has pieced together.
  • I personally think he is making excuses and trying to cover up the fact despite not spending money we have one of the better teams in the division yet have not played well since December. A lot of fans think with Parky in charge we are not going up and I am beginning to agree.

    As far as I am concerned we have not overachieved and with the quality of the opposion, we should have won more games.

    Every week Parky loses more respect, last week he played our best player out of position, today he was left on the bench.

    I am now genuinely concerned we will not even make the play offs, can anyone here seriously see us going to Huddersfield, MK Dons and Saints and getting wins?
  • edited March 2010
    [cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]I personally think he is making excuses and trying to cover up the fact despite not spending money we have one of the better teams in the division yet have not played well since December. A lot of fans think with Parky in charge we are not going up and I am beginning to agree.

    As far as I am concerned we have not overachieved and with the quality of the opposion, we should have won more games.

    Every week Parky loses more respect, last week he played our best player out of position, today he was left on the bench.

    I am now genuinely concerned we will not even make the play offs, can anyone here seriously see us going to Huddersfield, MK Dons and Saints and getting wins?
    He's not saying we've overachieved, he's saying it's unrealistic to expect us to be flying at the top of the league like Norwich.

    Reid was on the bench because he wasn't 100% fit, much like Jackson at Gillingham.
  • not a hope in hell of the play offs i have been saying it for weeks, i totally agree this is his team and since millwall at home we have been bloody woeful.We wont get a point from them away games mentioned above
  • How strange to think that back in the summer we all feared that our crack midfield would all leave, snapped up by richer clubs (go back and read the threads on here - most of us were convinced they were all too good for div three and would be off) .... now we know why nobody came in with serious money for them...

    What interest me is how the players will react to his comments, not the supporters.

    When he says : ''I've pieced this team together with absolutely no money'', he's telling the likes of Burton,the Sodjes, Llera, Mooney, Richardson, Reid, Borrowed etc. that they're not here because they're great players, but because we can't afford anyone better.

    Some of them might take that as a wake-up call and go the extra mile for the guy. Some of them might respond with ''if that's how you see it, then **** you.''

    We shall see next week...
  • [cite]Posted By: ThreadKiller[/cite]so how come our wage bill is one of the highest in the league this year?

    Did wonder the same thing myself.

    Poor old parky, my heart bleeds......
  • Parky won 24 of 72 games, he must know he will soon be on borrowed time
  • total rubbish parky millwall's wage bill is some 3 million lower than ours ,what a plum
  • For once parky shows some passion, I'm not his biggest fan, but for once I agree we should get behind the lads 100%.

    There is a lot of negativity about which is understandable at times but we need to get behind the team to save our club from rotting in league one!!!!!!!!!!
  • [cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]How strange to think that back in the summer we all feared that our crack midfield would all leave, snapped up by richer clubs (go back and read the threads on here - most of us were convinced they were all too good for div three and would be off) .... now we know why nobody came in with serious money for them...

    These players have not suddenly turned into bad players. We DO have one of the best squads in the league on paper, just our incompetent manager can't get the best out of them.

    Nice to see him going down the same route as Pardew though, digging out the fans for the way they wish to support their team. Only difference between the two is Parky doesnt have the money to waste that Pards did.
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  • edited March 2010
    Parky, Parky, Parky.........please, you are missing the point, and sounding like Pards,

    The Gills are fighting relegation and have not won away in 48 attempts.

    I don't care how much money you didn't have..........you played Mooney instead of Shelvey, and brought on Akpo instead of Waggy.

    Loan players got us relegated into L1 and they will not get us out of it - please learn that they are not a long-term solution.

    You have no Plan B, you cannot vary our tactics, the team disgraced us at Millwall and almost finished the job today.

    Yet again, the wheel has fallen off our season in February.
  • [cite]Posted By: Stu of HU5[/cite]These players have not suddenly turned into bad players. We DO have one of the best squads in the league on paper, just our incompetent manager can't get the best out of them.
    One of the best, but not the best. We're third. Last season fans wanted him to be judged on results, not performances. This season we've got the results but not the performances, and it's still not good enough.

    They haven't tuned into bad players no, but they were never fantastic players in the first place.
  • edited March 2010
    [cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]
    I don't care how much money you didn't have..........you played Mooney instead of Shelvey, and brought on Akpo instead of Waggy.
    .

    Waggy for Burton? Mooney scored and looked better then the boo boys would have give him credit.

    Amazing insight on recent games from Hull as well in this thread
  • [cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]Parky, Parky, Parky.........please, you are missing the point, and sounding like Pards,

    The Gills are fighting relegation and have not won away in 48 attempts.

    I don't care how much money you didn't have..........you played Mooney instead of Shelvey, and brought on Akpo instead of Waggy.

    Loan players got us relegated into L1 and they will not get us out of it - please learn that they are not a long-term solution.

    You have no Plan B, you cannot vary our tactics, the team disgraced us at Millwall and almost finished the job today.

    Yet again, the wheel has fallen off our season in February.

    So you would have played Wagstaff upfront with Mooney for 65 mins then?.
  • [cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]
    One of the best, but not the best. We're third. Last season fans wanted him to be judged on results, not performances. This season we've got the results but not the performances, and it's still not good enough.

    I'd argue we havnt got the results though, yes, we're third, that WILL change rapidly.

    You're all making the same excuses you made for pards, instead of repeating its ok we're still 4th, now it's 3rd. It's ok though because we don't need to worry about it untuil 2 games to when we can't even get into the playoffs. Heyho, it worked 2 years ago with Pardew, I'm sure everything will be ok this time around.

    Todays reulst was a joke, especially after last week. Parky should hang his head in shame, noone is to blame but him, it's his squad, his team, his tactics, his fault. No matter how much money we have, or have not spent.
  • Parky can't help what the club is prepared to pay players in the hope that they'll be the ones to take us up. I think the more important part of what he said is the reference to his lack of job stability - not many managers, or of us come to that, would have put up with it. Someone described the atmosphere at the Valley as toxic, le mot juste.
  • Today I thought we were unlucky to go in behind.

    2nd half we created chances but didn't put enough away.

    Everyone is as inconsistant as each other in and around the play offs. So now really isn't the time for Parky out booing imo.

    Compared to the start of the season everone was predicting middle table struggle, we're in the play offs 9 games left, move on from today and Millwall and focus on Huddersfield next week, we beat them theres a 8 point gap to fall out the play offs
  • edited March 2010
    [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]
    I don't care how much money you didn't have..........you played Mooney instead of Shelvey, and brought on Akpo instead of Waggy.
    .

    Waggy for Burton? Mooney scored and looked better then the boo boys would have give him credit.

    Amazing insight on recent games from Hull as well in this thread

    Didn't realise living in Hull stopped me going to games, or having eyes.
  • nope. for me he's using that as an excuse. i dont boo and didnt today but whilst i understand he has had sod all money to spend, he has also inherited some very good players at this level and just because he has only been able to buy frees and loans, doesnt mean he should be able to get away with buying bad frees and loans! mooney and sodje are a comedy strikeforce we are not going anywhere with those two up front. yeh okay so you havent got 1million to spend on grant holt, but charlie austin and steve morrison both came from non-league.

    and regardless of the different sides of the argument that people may present in terms of the limited funds he has had and pros and cons of the signings he has made, that is irrelevant in the context of last weeks debacle and simply what he is doing with the players/squad that he does have.

    Because although i don't agree with or partake in booing, if theres ever a time when its suitable its when you have just ashamed the club and let down the supporters away at Millwall in our biggest game of the season and then a week later you are defending catastrophically and 2-1 down at home to a side who havent won away all season. Theres no excuse for that.
  • I'm not quite sure what he's saying about Millwall. How much cash have they spent and virtually every player they've brought in will be on lower wages than our free transfers, even on their peanut fee transfers. But I fully agree with him. There have not been any free transfer forwards bombing around this season, or I can't think of many last season. Even players like Nicky Forster cost money for Brighton a few years ago.

    For me Parky has done excellently. I still look at the squad he had, and wonder how we've managed to compete this season. I pray that as pitches improve our 'light-touch' players will start getting back to their better performances. Ok so we could have had a few better free transfer signings such as Coyne or Kisnorbo. But equally we don't know the financial constraints Parky was under and he probably could not offer the package to much sought after players early enough pre-season. We know Puncheon was lost thorugh that process and I'm sure a few others were.

    I think the real question on the quality of this squad is who thinks there was any chance of us staying up last season with these players? Once we got in a rut of losing imo there was no chance. The midfield still holds the same problems as the last few seasons and ZZ/Ambrose/Thomas were as much as part of that as anyone.

    So personally if we get to the play offs I'm dead impressed by the job Parky has done.
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