So he helped spunk all our money up the wall, got us relegated to league one, now wants to use the fact we're skint to cover up his shortcoming as a manage, despite it being down to his inability that we're skint.
It's ok though, he's a nice guy, polite and everything, dont you know.
[cite]Posted By: CHG[/cite]What money has he spunked, please enlighten me?
I think young Stuart is inferring that Phillip played an integral role in Pardew's signings.
Personally, I don't think Pardew's ego would allow anyone else to make those types of decisions.
Who knows though.
Exactly, I very much doubt he had anything to do with Pardew's signings. He had influence on big Chris coming I think, signed on a free and sold for cash, so yeah, point made.
And this week, after a draw against the mighty Gillingham, at home i add - and after having gone ahead, he thinks he has any right to get defensive and criticise the fans for being pissed off?
And some of us are defending him? I dont think there's anything left to say really.
The fact he continues to play players out of position has nothing to do with money. Neither does the fact he continues to leave our best player out the squad or at least out the team.
Booing is obviously counter-productive. It also give Parkinson something to distract the supporters from the teams shortcomings. He is playing the victim card, when in fact he should stand up and be counted.
Maybe that's what he is trying to do. Take all the criticism himself leaving the players to get on with their job because, to be honest. Every player that has represented us this season has let us done one way or another.
What does Shelvey have to do to get a game instead of that marshmallow Mooney.
Have a look at the Gills 1st goal from the centrespot restart after we scored - if Mooney had got a yard closer to his man and put in a proper challenge, then there would be no through-ball for the guy to score from.
[cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]What does Shelvey have to do to get a game instead of that marshmallow Mooney.
Have a look at the Gills 1st goal from the centrespot restart after we scored - if Mooney had got a yard closer to his man and put in a proper challenge, then there would be no through-ball for the guy to score from.
[cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]Have a look at the Gills 1st goal from the centrespot restart after we scored - if Mooney had got a yard closer to his man and put in a proper challenge, then there would be no through-ball for the guy to score from.
Funniest thing I've read so far.
Yes, I would've dropped Mooney for Shelvey at the beginning of the day but to blame Mooney for the first goal is absolutely ridiculous.
I don't agree with booing but can understand it considering how frustrating things have been for the last few years. Unlike a lot of people i don't actually think our team is that poor and this leads me to think that there has to be a problem with the coaching. Nothing will change on the coaching front due to our financial situation, so i guess we have to hope that Parky can rally the team and we somehow manage to go up. Most depressing is how watching us is having a negative impact on the weekend but despite this i'll keep turning up and supporting the boys as best i can.
[cite]Posted By: mart77[/cite]i don't actually think our team is that poor and this leads me to think that there has to be a problem with the coaching. Nothing will change on the coaching front due to our financial situation,
CHG - its not his job to be pissed off, its his job to get this side winning games and motivate the players to care about something other than their flash motors. He's failing, with the end of the season in sight we STILL arent looking up for the fight. He can drag out as many excuses as he likes and blame the fans - but theyve watched a side who looked like title contenders (and we do have the quality to be champions, im sorry but its a fact in my eyes - this is a decent squad at this level, leeds and norwich arent barcelona and real madrid) fall away in a really depressing manner. Where else does the blame lie but with him?
[cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8[/cite]He is seriously deluded if he thinks the difference between Norwich and Charlton this season is Grant Holt.
Well no but is he going to talk about the strengths and weaknesses of both sides for about half an hour? No, he'll pick out one of Norwich's outstanding signings and use it as a case in point.
The point is that Norwich were able to spend a large fee (by the standards of the division) on somebody who has been a proven goalscorer over a number of seasons at the level we are now at.
Thanks to Pardew primarily we no longer have the resources to do likewise and thus have to settle for cast-offs from clubs struggling against relegation in the division above.
People need a reality check. If Mooney and Sodje slouch about MarcusBentlike then ok boo them but these are guys genuinely giving of their best in the true tradition of proper Charlton players.
It is just that their best is sometimes not very good again in the tradition of proper Charlton players!
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]The point is that Norwich were able to spend a large fee (by the standards of the division) on somebody who has been a proven goalscorer over a number of seasons at the level we are now at.
Thanks to Pardew primarily we no longer have the resources to do likewise and thus have to settle for cast-offs from clubs struggling against relegation in the division above.
People need a reality check. If Mooney and Sodje slouch about MarcusBentlike then ok boo them but these are guys genuinely giving of their best in the true tradition of proper Charlton players.
It is just that their best is sometimes not very good again in the tradition of proper Charlton players!
Well said.
Someone like Holt would have made a difference, maybe not loads, but a significant difference. With a proper goalscorer we could have gone 1-0 up in games rather than 1-0 down, or turned a draw into a win etc.
[cite]Posted By: Se12Addick[/cite]CHG - its not his job to be pissed off, its his job to get this side winning games and motivate the players to care about something other than their flash motors. He's failing, with the end of the season in sight we STILL arent looking up for the fight. He can drag out as many excuses as he likes and blame the fans - but theyve watched a side who looked like title contenders (and we do have the quality to be champions, im sorry but its a fact in my eyes - this is a decent squad at this level, leeds and norwich arent barcelona and real madrid) fall away in a really depressing manner. Where else does the blame lie but with him?
I don't see how us having quality to be champions is a fact. We lack quality up front (not just goalscoring, all round play as well), the midfield ColinTat sums up best, they're not good at winning 50-50s, they can't really grab hold of a game or dominate the midfield battle. Our defence is decent but they're conceding too often at the moment. I'd say Norwich at least have more about them in those areas than we do.
A lot of the time I wasn't really convinced by our performances at the start of the season. Were most not happy that we were winning but also didn't think we were convincing?
I do think we should go back to 4-5-1 as it does help them get closer to doing that, but unless 4 or all 5 of them are playing well they don't win the midfield battle a lot of the time against any decent side.
Scoham - at the start of the season we put in some decent displays with many of the same players. We went up to Norwich and Leeds and matched them - the gulf in quality is not as severe as many would make out. Its been made to seem greater than it is by the fact that theres been a distinct lack of motivation and spark for a while now, and Parkinson seems clueless to stop the decline. The majority of teams in this league are very, very poor - we were beaten by both Orient and Brighton by organisation and hard work alone - the two things i think we can agree we have shown a real lack of. I think it makes for an even greater indictment of how the team have been sent out into games recently, that people seem to have all but forgotten that they are capable of winning games convincingly.
We are under performing as a team, and we have been going back as far as Brentford at home. The reason for people's frustration I think, is that we believe that these players and this team should be producing much more. Under Curbs, we got used to his sides consistently outperforming in terms of their ability, but since he departed the opposite has been true. Sam for example isn't the same player that he was before Christmas and now the same seems to be happening with Bailey. We had the perfect opportunity to get our season back on track against Stockport after a great start, but the team and the management seemed content to play out the game rather than push on and score a stack of goals. I don't know what they practice in training, but it isn't working. When was the last time any of our players scored from a free kick for example?
Can't believe the stick Parky is getting for stating openly what our situation is. We have no money. We are 3rd. We have an average side and an average manager. We have what we can afford. Any change of manager now could hinder our chances of going up. If you want to call for the manager to be sacked, then wait until the season is over, and see what division we are in.
We do have a rubbish side but it's down to the fact that signing any player is a gamble, when you are dealing with freebies, it is more so. We've also been unlucky with injuries, our left footed players seem cursed.
Personally i wanted Parky to completely revamp the side as a response to the Millwall game. I wanted a 3-5-2 formation. Shelvey and Bailey in the centre with Semedo as defensive midfielder. Richardson down the right - acting as a wing back. Llera, Sodje and Dailly in defence and Burton / A Sodje upfront. Problem is we wouldn't have had a player capable of playing the left wing back role. Reid had also picked up a knock and this meant Bailey had to be shifted out left. My suggestion would have been a disaster - even more so considering we lost the goalkeeper and Burton through injuries.
What i'm trying to say is that apart from finding a playing spot for Shelvey I can't see how Parky could do any more. I'm afraid the ware and tear of playing a full season is starting to take it's toll on a limited squad. I don't think many managers would be able to make a success out of our current circumstances.
[cite]Posted By: Se12Addick[/cite]Scoham - at the start of the season we put in some decent displays with many of the same players. We went up to Norwich and Leeds and matched them - the gulf in quality is not as severe as many would make out. Its been made to seem greater than it is by the fact that theres been a distinct lack of motivation and spark for a while now, and Parkinson seems clueless to stop the decline. The majority of teams in this league are very, very poor - we were beaten by both Orient and Brighton by organisation and hard work alone - the two things i think we can agree we have shown a real lack of. I think it makes for an even greater indictment of how the team have been sent out into games recently, that people seem to have all but forgotten that they are capable of winning games convincingly.
We can compete with them yes, there isn't a big gap in quality, but I think there's enough to mean we're the 3rd best team in the league rather than equal to Norwich. Over the season we have that bit less quality, we can still beat them but over 46 games our squad is not quite as good.
I agree they can win convincingly on their day. We can play better, but I just don't think we have a team of underachieving de-motivated players that simply need a good manager to be a title winning team.
I wouldn't agree Brighton and Orient are very poor either. Quality in the league isn't great, but they had a bit more about them than purely motivated and organised players.
[cite]Posted By: johnny73[/cite]Can't believe the stick Parky is getting for stating openly what our situation is. We have no money. We are 3rd. We have an average side and an average manager. We have what we can afford. Any change of manager now could hinder our chances of going up. If you want to call for the manager to be sacked, then wait until the season is over, and see what division we are in.
We do have a rubbish side but it's down to the fact that signing any player is a gamble, when you are dealing with freebies, it is more so. We've also been unlucky with injuries, our left footed players seem cursed.
Personally i wanted Parky to completely revamp the side as a response to the Millwall game. I wanted a 3-5-2 formation. Shelvey and Bailey in the centre with Semedo as defensive midfielder. Richardson down the right - acting as a wing back. Llera, Sodje and Dailly in defence and Burton / A Sodje upfront. Problem is we wouldn't have had a player capable of playing the left wing back role. Reid had also picked up a knock and this meant Bailey had to be shifted out left. My suggestion would have been a disaster - even more so considering we lost the goalkeeper and Burton through injuries.
What i'm trying to say is that apart from finding a playing spot for Shelvey I can't see how Parky could do any more. I'm afraid the ware and tear of playing a full season is starting to take it's toll on a limited squad. I don't think many managers would be able to make a success out of our current circumstances.
I think it also depends on whether you think Parky is getting the best out of the players we do have. I think most of us are realistic and see he's not had loads of money to spend, and things have been tough, but at the same time there's managers in this division with a lot less resources, fanbase and on paper worse players who do manage.
I'm a fan of Parky as a person and desperately want him to do well, but i'm one of those that believe he's not capable of getting the best out of our players regularly and so his stating "what our situation is" just looks like excuses.
[cite]Posted By: queensland_addick[/cite]Under Curbs, we got used to his sides consistently outperforming in terms of their ability, but since he departed the opposite has been true.
True, but that wasn't just down to him, he got players with very good character, who knew through experience how to get the best out of their ability. They were consistent and confident players, not mentally weak players Sam is for example.
[cite]Posted By: CallumCAFC[/cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8
He is seriously deluded if he thinks the difference between Norwich and Charlton this season is Grant Holt.
Well no but is he going to talk about the strengths and weaknesses of both sides for about half an hour? No, he'll pick out one of Norwich's outstanding signings and use it as a case in point.
The singular outstanding signing Norwich have made this season, and the reason why Norwich are virtually certain to be automatically promoted straight back to the Championship, is the signing of Paul Lambert as their manager. Grant Holt was signed by Bryan Gunn. I don't know how much Lambert has spent to make Norwich the best team in this league by a country mile but but it would not surprise me if it was zero.
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It's ok though, he's a nice guy, polite and everything, dont you know.
Personally, I don't think Pardew's ego would allow anyone else to make those types of decisions.
Who knows though.
Exactly, I very much doubt he had anything to do with Pardew's signings. He had influence on big Chris coming I think, signed on a free and sold for cash, so yeah, point made.
Very few, I'd imagine.
Maybe I'm being a little unfair on Parky, you know, assuming he'd actually done his job whilst assisting Pards.
And this week, after a draw against the mighty Gillingham, at home i add - and after having gone ahead, he thinks he has any right to get defensive and criticise the fans for being pissed off?
And some of us are defending him? I dont think there's anything left to say really.
Booing is obviously counter-productive. It also give Parkinson something to distract the supporters from the teams shortcomings. He is playing the victim card, when in fact he should stand up and be counted.
Have a look at the Gills 1st goal from the centrespot restart after we scored - if Mooney had got a yard closer to his man and put in a proper challenge, then there would be no through-ball for the guy to score from.
If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.
Funniest thing I've read so far.
Yes, I would've dropped Mooney for Shelvey at the beginning of the day but to blame Mooney for the first goal is absolutely ridiculous.
This is EXACTLY our problem.
Players come here and get worse, consistently.
Well no but is he going to talk about the strengths and weaknesses of both sides for about half an hour? No, he'll pick out one of Norwich's outstanding signings and use it as a case in point.
Thanks to Pardew primarily we no longer have the resources to do likewise and thus have to settle for cast-offs from clubs struggling against relegation in the division above.
People need a reality check. If Mooney and Sodje slouch about MarcusBentlike then ok boo them but these are guys genuinely giving of their best in the true tradition of proper Charlton players.
It is just that their best is sometimes not very good again in the tradition of proper Charlton players!
Someone like Holt would have made a difference, maybe not loads, but a significant difference. With a proper goalscorer we could have gone 1-0 up in games rather than 1-0 down, or turned a draw into a win etc.
I don't see how us having quality to be champions is a fact. We lack quality up front (not just goalscoring, all round play as well), the midfield ColinTat sums up best, they're not good at winning 50-50s, they can't really grab hold of a game or dominate the midfield battle. Our defence is decent but they're conceding too often at the moment. I'd say Norwich at least have more about them in those areas than we do.
Yet this wasnt the case at the start of the season??
I do think we should go back to 4-5-1 as it does help them get closer to doing that, but unless 4 or all 5 of them are playing well they don't win the midfield battle a lot of the time against any decent side.
Under Curbs, we got used to his sides consistently outperforming in terms of their ability, but since he departed the opposite has been true.
Sam for example isn't the same player that he was before Christmas and now the same seems to be happening with Bailey.
We had the perfect opportunity to get our season back on track against Stockport after a great start, but the team and the management seemed content to play out the game rather than push on and score a stack of goals.
I don't know what they practice in training, but it isn't working. When was the last time any of our players scored from a free kick for example?
We do have a rubbish side but it's down to the fact that signing any player is a gamble, when you are dealing with freebies, it is more so. We've also been unlucky with injuries, our left footed players seem cursed.
Personally i wanted Parky to completely revamp the side as a response to the Millwall game. I wanted a 3-5-2 formation. Shelvey and Bailey in the centre with Semedo as defensive midfielder. Richardson down the right - acting as a wing back. Llera, Sodje and Dailly in defence and Burton / A Sodje upfront. Problem is we wouldn't have had a player capable of playing the left wing back role. Reid had also picked up a knock and this meant Bailey had to be shifted out left. My suggestion would have been a disaster - even more so considering we lost the goalkeeper and Burton through injuries.
What i'm trying to say is that apart from finding a playing spot for Shelvey I can't see how Parky could do any more. I'm afraid the ware and tear of playing a full season is starting to take it's toll on a limited squad. I don't think many managers would be able to make a success out of our current circumstances.
I agree they can win convincingly on their day. We can play better, but I just don't think we have a team of underachieving de-motivated players that simply need a good manager to be a title winning team.
I wouldn't agree Brighton and Orient are very poor either. Quality in the league isn't great, but they had a bit more about them than purely motivated and organised players.
I think it also depends on whether you think Parky is getting the best out of the players we do have. I think most of us are realistic and see he's not had loads of money to spend, and things have been tough, but at the same time there's managers in this division with a lot less resources, fanbase and on paper worse players who do manage.
I'm a fan of Parky as a person and desperately want him to do well, but i'm one of those that believe he's not capable of getting the best out of our players regularly and so his stating "what our situation is" just looks like excuses.
The singular outstanding signing Norwich have made this season, and the reason why Norwich are virtually certain to be automatically promoted straight back to the Championship, is the signing of Paul Lambert as their manager. Grant Holt was signed by Bryan Gunn. I don't know how much Lambert has spent to make Norwich the best team in this league by a country mile but but it would not surprise me if it was zero.