[cite]Posted By: CallumCAFC[/cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8
He is seriously deluded if he thinks the difference between Norwich and Charlton this season is Grant Holt.
Well no but is he going to talk about the strengths and weaknesses of both sides for about half an hour? No, he'll pick out one of Norwich's outstanding signings and use it as a case in point.
The singular outstanding signing Norwich have made this season, and the reason why Norwich are virtually certain to be automatically promoted straight back to the Championship, is the signing of Paul Lambert as their manager. Grant Holt was signed by Bryan Gunn. I don't know how much Lambert has spent to make Norwich the best team in this league by a country mile but but it would not surprise me if it was zero.
He makes some fair points. It's not been the easiest situation for him.
The atmosphere yesterday was partly due to the millwall game. Fans were looking for a response and I'm not sure we got much of one. Follow up a humiliating defeat with a draw against a team with gillingham's away record and there's going to be a lot of criticism. Especially when you add in our results and performances throughout 2010. We may not have the best support ever, but we've had a shocking few years to endure.
We may be 3rd as PP says, but we've missed so many chances to make a run at 2nd. there was one objective this year and that was promotion - 3rd place isn't much consolation when this team seems to have so little spirit, fight and consistency that it's hard to see them making it out of the playoffs.
I pretty much never boo the team and didn't yesterday and I thought it was wrong that fans singled him out so specifically. It's an easy option to point all the blame at the manager instead of the players.
But his comments wound me up. Where was this passion and criticism and courage to speak out last weekend when those players had let everyone down so badly? He talked about them being an 'honest group of lads', which went against everything 3000 of us had seen. Then the next week some of the fans turn and we're greeted with the kind of rant managers hardly ever make.
Everything about this situation makes me feel so disillusioned.
parky talks shite the teams he picks and the way he sets our side up is a joke at millwall last week it was a comedy and yesterday where the f--k was jonjo parky take your head out of your arse stop being a stubborn twat and start playing your best team you did so earlier in the season and it was working so may i suggest you go back to that formation obviously injured players excluded in youga it aint rocket science ,personally i dont think he knows what he is doing as a football manager with a silly grin he is clueless.
Norwich were hopeless against us at the end of last season, we scored three goals against them in the first 20 minutes of the game. They were hopeless in their next game at the start of div 3, losing 7-1 at home to Colchester. They were lucky enough to then dig out a clearly much better manager than we have and he has made them unstoppable in this league. Parky is already making excuses for his future failures. Holt cost £400,000 (not a million) and Lambert did not buy him as he was bought in the summer. Parky has been here nearly three years and if he has no blame in our demise then what exactly were we paying him a salary for? ; as he comprehensivly failed as an assistant manager and if he does not get us up this season will statistically be our worse manager since the early seventies (Sorry Theo!)
Stop blaming us, earn your wages on the trainng field by teaching the players how to take a corner, how to cross a ball, how to take a throw in, how to defend at set pieces, we have no money... deal with it, you still get paid probably 100 times more than we in the stands get. Get breaker kins and whoever else you want and stop moaning and show us what YOU can bring to the table with coaching and tactics, a decent manager would have our squad confident and flying high not scared of the ball and looking like total strangers at times. We didn't make the loans we didn't by the freebies you did, so make hay or make way.
for me it all boils down to the fact he isn't getting the best out of the players he has got. Yes he hasn't been able to spend 400k on a striker but neither have Swindon or Millwall. However what he did get was the Board's backing to the extent that they enabled him to hold on to Bailey and Sam and Racon and Shelvey etc and he said during the Summer we needed to hold onto our better players and we did. He was able to add experiened pro's like Dailly, Sodje, Llera and Richardson all on decent wages for this League and although he hasn't spent we have the third highest wage bill in the League. Maybe if some of those players had left the wage bill might have been lower and he may have got a few quid to spend but he would have lost the decent players he said we needed to hold on to. What did he expect ? To have a high wage bill AND be able to spend a million or so ? Get real Parky. You have been given every support by the Board but have made some bad decisions, like MacKenzie, a big gamble and you blew it. He has brought in a whole new back four and yet we now have a worse defensive record than many teams in the bottom half. As someone else said after the Millwall result we expected a response and I don't think we got it, not from the players and certainly not from Parky. Last home game we were 2-0 up after ten minutes against a rock bottom and vulnerable and shell shocked Stockport and yet we didn't go on and batter them. Afterwards we were told that it didn't matter as it was the result that counted. That was the wrong signal to send to the team. If we had gone into the Millwall game on the back of a 5-0 win then the team would have been flying. Instead we went into it on the back of a lack-lustre performance against the division's worse side. So after Millwall we then scrape a draw against a team that hasn't won away all season and he expects us to be happy ? For the answers he needs to look a bit closer to home.
[quote][cite]Posted By: boggzy[/cite]Have to agree with the last two posts[/quote]
Yep, they pretty much sum up the situation for me as well. As for Norwich, the player that really makes them tick is Hoolahan, and he's the guy we should have gone in for after he ripped us apart for Blackpool last season. But then it seem's that Parky doesn't like creative midfielders, hence the reason Shelvey can't get a game.
Regarding Mckenzie, there was a period over Christmas when he was fit and raring to go, he needed to play games and get fully match fit, but Parky refused to give him a start or even bring him on as a sub. Too long sitting on the bench and now the opportunity has been lost along with lots of the clubs money.
Do people here honestly believe that Parky is doing a good job????
Honestly maybe i have gone fooking mad
I very rarely agree with Large but he is spot on in his post
After a 4 nil whipping you get back to basics you look at what won you points in games early on, that was being hard to breakdown and getting hold of the game in midfield
4 5 1 back to the start of the season
Parkys comments mean nothing i couldnt give 2 shits for them remember he is hurting more than you yet unlike you he can actually go and influence how to put it right,
People were booing at Millwall last week were they prior to losing 4 nil no were they bollox they turned up in the 1000's to show support to show that they are not intimidated by millwall yet him and his players were, if you think that booing is the biggest problem we have right now you are madder than parky
Parky is the problem his ability is the cause and the result will be 3rd division football next season again.
Posted By: Valiantphil Have a look at the Gills 1st goal from the centrespot restart after we scored - if Mooney had got a yard closer to his man and put in a proper challenge, then there would be no through-ball for the guy to score from.
Funniest thing I've read so far.
Yes, I would've dropped Mooney for Shelvey at the beginning of the day but to blame Mooney for the first goal is absolutely ridiculous.
The Football League Show is on BBC Iplayer now. Our game is at 37mins 37 secs. - May I suggest you watch that goal again and consider changing your opinion?
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]Do people here honestly believe that Parky is doing a good job????
Some do I think, not many, but there are more that think he's doing a decent job. If he was as bad as some suggest, we'd have been floating around mid table for most of the season.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]Do people here honestly believe that Parky is doing a good job????
Some do I think, not many, but there are more that think he's doing a decent job. If he was as bad as some suggest, we'd have been floating around mid table for most of the season.
I honestly believe that most with the excpetion of the person who wouldve swapped Waggy for Burton or mooney could have taken this squad and got them in this position
If I go to the cinema and see a low budget film, and it is rubbish, I do not console myself with the fact that director has done his best with a small budget.
Likewise I reserve the right to moan about the film to others, and to slate any individual performance that I deem to be below par or laughable.
Parkinson should rein his neck in if he thinks we have no right to criticise the performances of the teams that he selects and trains. We pay his wages and if he cant handle the criticism then he should walk away from the job.
If we somehow manage to get promoted it will be despite Parkinson, not because of Parkinson.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]Do people here honestly believe that Parky is doing a good job????
Some do I think, not many, but there are more that think he's doing a decent job. If he was as bad as some suggest, we'd have been floating around mid table for most of the season.
I honestly believe that most with the excpetion of the person who wouldve swapped Waggy for Burton or mooney could have taken this squad and got them in this position
Really not that simple though is it? It's easy enough to say I'd have picked this team or that team, or got a certain player on loan, but we don't see what goes on in training, in the dressing room etc. If it was that simple the board should have just given the job to one of the most passionate fans, or one of the ex-players, Kinsella, Brown, Powell or Di Canio.
I do think if Kinsella for example was made manager last summer, we'd probably be outside the play-offs. We're not so good that someone just needs to pick the right team each week and we'd make the play-offs.
Hoping PP's comments, aimed directly at the board actually, will result in his replacement this week with someone (anyone) in charge to try something new: last act of desperation really.
I have stuck with PP all season but have now completely lost faith in his team selections and tactics. The players are not responding to him and they DO have the ability as individuals and collectively. PP is not getting the best out of them and has lost direction.
It is clear now that even if we manage to stay in a play off position we will probably not have sufficient fight or guts to go through to the final let alone win at wembley so in my opinion it is worth a risk - more of a risk staying as we are.
No chance of him going this week, everyone needs to accept he's here for the rest of the season at the very least. I don't really agree it was aimed at the board, was more about asking the fans to get behind the team. He's surely frustrated at the booing of players like Mooney, as he said he didn't have the money to get a proven striker, so had to make do with gambles on loan.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]No chance of him going this week, everyone needs to accept he's here for the rest of the season at the very least. I don't really agree it was aimed at the board, was more about asking the fans to get behind the team. He's surely frustrated at the booing of players like Mooney, as he said he didn't have the money to get a proven striker, so had to make do with gambles on loan.
Yeah there probably is no chance, BUT, for us to have a glimmer of hope, a glimpse something drastic has to change real soon - do you see that coming from PP or those players out there?
Racon is the one in midfield not doing it for 90 minutes a match yet few if any get on his back. It is a phenomenon of the last few years that some players can do no wrong in the eyes of some Charlton fans yet others are perpetual fall-guys whatever they do.
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]
Yeah there probably is no chance, BUT, for us to have a glimmer of hope, a glimpse something drastic has to change real soon - do you see that coming from PP or those players out there?
Perhaps in the summer we could find a better manager, but now? Who's going to come here with the expectations that they must win promotion or will be sacked? And if not sacked, they'll have to build a new squad in the summer with an even smaller wage budget. I don't see who we could get because it's hardly an appealing challenge for any manager when there are only 9 games to go. Anyone proven is already in a job or we can't afford.
I would prefer Parkinson took the opportunity to explain where the plan to 'ring the changes' went, along with why he is still not starting Shelvey, instead of criticising the fans that spend there hard earned wages coming to watch his team.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]Shelvey should play but why drop Mooney?
Racon is the one in midfield not doing it for 90 minutes a match yet few if any get on his back. It is a phenomenon of the last few years that some players can do no wrong in the eyes of some Charlton fans yet others are perpetual fall-guys whatever they do.
I don't think any of the current midfield are covering themselves in glory except possibly Reid, who is injury prone at the moment. I agree though, short of a hattrick against Milwall in the playoff final Mooney is never going to win over some people.
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]
Yeah there probably is no chance, BUT, for us to have a glimmer of hope, a glimpse something drastic has to change real soon - do you see that coming from PP or those players out there?
Perhaps in the summer we could find a better manager, but now? Who's going to come here with the expectations that they must win promotion or will be sacked? And if not sacked, they'll have to build a new squad in the summer with an even smaller wage budget. I don't see who we could get because it's hardly an appealing challenge for any manager when there are only 9 games to go. Anyone proven is already in a job or we can't afford.
Well yes, but this slide happened a long time ago and we are still saying lets stick with it!
There is never a safe time for change but sometimes you have to take a gamble as the alternative of turning a blind eye is never really a solution. there must be someone out there who is available to step up to the plate.
Equally of all those managers available, most would probably do no better than Parky. Most of them won't know much about our team and we don't have time for a new manager to learn more about them. It's the wrong time considering we still have a chance and the alternative would be a big gamble, it's not like we can get someone proven in, much like the striker situation.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Equally of all those managers available, most would probably do no better than Parky. Most of them won't know much about our team and we don't have time for a new manager to learn more about them. It's the wrong time considering we still have a chance and the alternative would be a big gamble, it's not like we can get someone proven in, much like the striker situation.
Does PP really fill you with confidence that he knows the team, or put another way, will get the best out of them in the remaining games?
But that's what is great about football though, magic does happen. A player can be garbage and move to another club and bang in 10 goals immediately. A manger can come in and save or inspire a team with a different approach and new ways to motivate.
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]
Yeah there probably is no chance, BUT, for us to have a glimmer of hope, a glimpse something drastic has to change real soon - do you see that coming from PP or those players out there?
Perhaps in the summer we could find a better manager, but now? Who's going to come here with the expectations that they must win promotion or will be sacked? And if not sacked, they'll have to build a new squad in the summer with an even smaller wage budget. I don't see who we could get because it's hardly an appealing challenge for any manager when there are only 9 games to go. Anyone proven is already in a job or we can't afford.
Well yes, but this slide happened a long time ago and we are still saying lets stick with it!
There is never a safe time for change but sometimes you have to take a gamble as the alternative of turning a blind eye is never really a solution. there must be someone out there who is available to step up to the plate.
Yes. Taking a gamble on replacing the manager is a great idea. Like when someone stepped up to the plate when Curbs left ... oh no, that was a complete and utter financial and footballing disaster, wasn't it?
You must mean taking a gamble like when Dowie was sacked and we replaced him with someone who knew the club and the players really well and ... oh no, that didn't work either.
You must mean when Reed was sacked and we took a gamble on a former player, who ... oh no that failed miserably too.
You must mean when Pardew was sacked and we took a gamble on ... oh, wait a minute...
No I'm not confident, he's done a decent job so far but nothing more. It's not impossble though.
I just don't see where this manager will come from that will improve on the decent job Parky has done in just 9 games. There's no time for him to settle in and get to know the players, try out a few things. He'd have to come in and win well from the start. What sort of managers would you be looking at? Good League Two managers? Out of work managers?
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]I have been a charlton supporter for a very long time but this current set-up and the weakening voices of our fans is most unpleasant.
Look Parky aint going anywhere and that is going to result in frustration, Even if we do somehow go up we still need to get rid as he can not cut it at chumpionship level he has proved that, my big concern going into the season was that we would start bad and folks would turn on him,
it has been the opposite we started well and now his inabilties have come through,
We are here for a while is my bet some real good people could lose a substantial amount of money and that is down to bad decisions bad decisions by parky and those that put him there and some of them are the ones that will lose the cash and i do feel sorry for them for it but those were the decisions
we as fans have sat quietly about it and now when people are expressing their anger they are being told that they shouldnt,
Some on here who go every week i respect very much but my views on this matter differs from theirs,
In my opion we should have been kicking off like mad about our demise we are just too nice and i dont want to aim it at those that gave me so much pleasure in the past 12 years but how long can we live on sentiment there has to be a time that the fans are heard letting the club the players and parky know that he and they are not doing good enough.
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The atmosphere yesterday was partly due to the millwall game. Fans were looking for a response and I'm not sure we got much of one. Follow up a humiliating defeat with a draw against a team with gillingham's away record and there's going to be a lot of criticism. Especially when you add in our results and performances throughout 2010. We may not have the best support ever, but we've had a shocking few years to endure.
We may be 3rd as PP says, but we've missed so many chances to make a run at 2nd. there was one objective this year and that was promotion - 3rd place isn't much consolation when this team seems to have so little spirit, fight and consistency that it's hard to see them making it out of the playoffs.
I pretty much never boo the team and didn't yesterday and I thought it was wrong that fans singled him out so specifically. It's an easy option to point all the blame at the manager instead of the players.
But his comments wound me up. Where was this passion and criticism and courage to speak out last weekend when those players had let everyone down so badly? He talked about them being an 'honest group of lads', which went against everything 3000 of us had seen. Then the next week some of the fans turn and we're greeted with the kind of rant managers hardly ever make.
Everything about this situation makes me feel so disillusioned.
Yep, they pretty much sum up the situation for me as well.
As for Norwich, the player that really makes them tick is Hoolahan, and he's the guy we should have gone in for after he ripped us apart for Blackpool last season. But then it seem's that Parky doesn't like creative midfielders, hence the reason Shelvey can't get a game.
Honestly maybe i have gone fooking mad
I very rarely agree with Large but he is spot on in his post
After a 4 nil whipping you get back to basics you look at what won you points in games early on, that was being hard to breakdown and getting hold of the game in midfield
4 5 1 back to the start of the season
Parkys comments mean nothing i couldnt give 2 shits for them remember he is hurting more than you yet unlike you he can actually go and influence how to put it right,
People were booing at Millwall last week were they prior to losing 4 nil no were they bollox they turned up in the 1000's to show support to show that they are not intimidated by millwall yet him and his players were, if you think that booing is the biggest problem we have right now you are madder than parky
Parky is the problem his ability is the cause and the result will be 3rd division football next season again.
Oh yeah and Admin and no bailey no shelvey
Have a look at the Gills 1st goal from the centrespot restart after we scored - if Mooney had got a yard closer to his man and put in a proper challenge, then there would be no through-ball for the guy to score from.
Funniest thing I've read so far.
Yes, I would've dropped Mooney for Shelvey at the beginning of the day but to blame Mooney for the first goal is absolutely ridiculous.
The Football League Show is on BBC Iplayer now. Our game is at 37mins 37 secs. - May I suggest you watch that goal again and consider changing your opinion?
I honestly believe that most with the excpetion of the person who wouldve swapped Waggy for Burton or mooney could have taken this squad and got them in this position
Likewise I reserve the right to moan about the film to others, and to slate any individual performance that I deem to be below par or laughable.
Parkinson should rein his neck in if he thinks we have no right to criticise the performances of the teams that he selects and trains. We pay his wages and if he cant handle the criticism then he should walk away from the job.
If we somehow manage to get promoted it will be despite Parkinson, not because of Parkinson.
I do think if Kinsella for example was made manager last summer, we'd probably be outside the play-offs. We're not so good that someone just needs to pick the right team each week and we'd make the play-offs.
I have stuck with PP all season but have now completely lost faith in his team selections and tactics. The players are not responding to him and they DO have the ability as individuals and collectively. PP is not getting the best out of them and has lost direction.
It is clear now that even if we manage to stay in a play off position we will probably not have sufficient fight or guts to go through to the final let alone win at wembley so in my opinion it is worth a risk - more of a risk staying as we are.
Yeah there probably is no chance, BUT, for us to have a glimmer of hope, a glimpse something drastic has to change real soon - do you see that coming from PP or those players out there?
Racon is the one in midfield not doing it for 90 minutes a match yet few if any get on his back. It is a phenomenon of the last few years that some players can do no wrong in the eyes of some Charlton fans yet others are perpetual fall-guys whatever they do.
I don't think any of the current midfield are covering themselves in glory except possibly Reid, who is injury prone at the moment. I agree though, short of a hattrick against Milwall in the playoff final Mooney is never going to win over some people.
Well yes, but this slide happened a long time ago and we are still saying lets stick with it!
There is never a safe time for change but sometimes you have to take a gamble as the alternative of turning a blind eye is never really a solution. there must be someone out there who is available to step up to the plate.
Does PP really fill you with confidence that he knows the team, or put another way, will get the best out of them in the remaining games?
But that's what is great about football though, magic does happen. A player can be garbage and move to another club and bang in 10 goals immediately. A manger can come in and save or inspire a team with a different approach and new ways to motivate.
You must mean taking a gamble like when Dowie was sacked and we replaced him with someone who knew the club and the players really well and ... oh no, that didn't work either.
You must mean when Reed was sacked and we took a gamble on a former player, who ... oh no that failed miserably too.
You must mean when Pardew was sacked and we took a gamble on ... oh, wait a minute...
I just don't see where this manager will come from that will improve on the decent job Parky has done in just 9 games. There's no time for him to settle in and get to know the players, try out a few things. He'd have to come in and win well from the start. What sort of managers would you be looking at? Good League Two managers? Out of work managers?
As YOU have all said and accepted: PP is in charge so thats the way it is then.
I cannot believe how our club is falling from grace without a fight at all and that includes our supporters now.
I have been a charlton supporter for a very long time but this current set-up and the weakening voices of our fans is most unpleasant.
The seats are emptying at our club you can all say good riddance if you want but that is your big mistake and very bad business for our club.
it has been the opposite we started well and now his inabilties have come through,
We are here for a while is my bet some real good people could lose a substantial amount of money and that is down to bad decisions bad decisions by parky and those that put him there and some of them are the ones that will lose the cash and i do feel sorry for them for it but those were the decisions
we as fans have sat quietly about it and now when people are expressing their anger they are being told that they shouldnt,
Some on here who go every week i respect very much but my views on this matter differs from theirs,
In my opion we should have been kicking off like mad about our demise we are just too nice and i dont want to aim it at those that gave me so much pleasure in the past 12 years but how long can we live on sentiment there has to be a time that the fans are heard letting the club the players and parky know that he and they are not doing good enough.