Think his goal tonight was turned in after the keeper parried a shot from Simeon Jackson.
I'm not a Dickson fan. But there is the possibility that he couldn't score in a Charlton shirt because we don't have anyone as good as Jackson, creating the situations from which someone like Dickson can poach ...
This makes me laugh. Scoring doesn't prove he's pele. That said if he fails to score next week I'm sure that a shower of wanks will attempt to use that as objective proof=positive that our relegation-hero manager is correct in every decision he ever makes, so little point in trying to enter into any intelligent debate.
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]Out of interest. Did Dickson get a start for us at all this season?
I know he had a few cameos off the bench but did he start at Brentford?
Definitely started against Brentford. Think that's about it though. He's never done anything for us in a league game when coming off the bench. He is not the answer to our problems.
Goalscoring is all about confidence. Confidence comes from the Manager and your fellow Pros appreciating that that is what your game is all about. And if at this level it is only goals you bring to the table then should that be criticised?
Clearly, with a record of 12 goals in 13 starts (8 in 11 League starts in this Division) for the Gills Dicko feels confident playing for Stimson. Indeed, he may even end up being a cult hero there in the same way that Killer was for us (having been discarded for pennies by Luton who thought that he was rather one dimensional in his play - which, at the end of the day, he was). And come on how many of us when we first saw Killer thought he could play?
Mooney's all round game might be better (though Dicko did set up an open goal on Saturday) but how many chances does he create for others? After all, his goalscoring record of 4 from 14 starts this season is hardly anything to write home about is it and Dicko's record for us, Brentford and Bristol Rovers is actually better than that (5 in 13 starts).
Dicko's has been moved on because he doesn't do what Parky expects him to do but he does do what Stimson asks of him which is scoring goals for them. As I've said all along the proof of the pudding is in the eating and if Parky is vindicated in the way he has handled the situation by getting us promoted none of us can have any complaints. At the moment though, that is looking a big "if".
Dickson hasn't scored goals for Gillingham yet, he's got what, 1 in 2 games? At least come back and say that after he's scored 5 in 10. Interesting how Mooney's record is barely any worse than Dickson's at Bristol Rovers...
Have to agree with dabos, he's not the answer to our problems. I doubt he'd have done anything last night once we were 1-0 down, wouldn't have been any space for him.
If he was that good, Bristol Rovers would have surely signed him. Instead he was dropped to the bench more often towards the end of his loan, and he's ended up at Gillingham.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Dickson hasn't scored goals for Gillingham yet, he's got what, 1 in 2 games? At least come back and say that after he's scored 5 in 10. Interesting how Mooney's record is barely any worse than Dickson's at Bristol Rovers...
Have to agree with dabos, he's not the answer to our problems. I doubt he'd have done anything last night once we were 1-0 down, wouldn't have been any space for him.
If he was that good, Bristol Rovers would have surely signed him. Instead he was dropped to the bench more often towards the end of his loan, and he's ended up at Gillingham.
Scoham - as I say Dicko has scored 12 in 13 starts and 8 in 11 League starts in this Division for Gillingham and Stimson. But we can choose to ignore that and refuse to accept that players play for man Managers. In which case why have a Manager at all?
Not saying he should come back because he knows his face doesn't fit. Darren Ambrose never did it for us either and that was all his fault too.
Why ignore sub appearances, I'm assuming you're including all his goals in those stats, even if they're from the bench?
Teams play Gillingham differently than they play against us. When they defend deep and get men behind the ball, our better players struggle to find space and pass the ball around, nevermind the likes of Dickson. Not seen any full Gillingham games, but I bet Dickson gets more space and time on the ball than he ever did here, and that suits him.
Stimson rates Dickson, so yes he'll get more out of him. Doesn't mean he'd have done it for us though, like Ambrose didn't as you say.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Dickson hasn't scored goals for Gillingham yet, he's got what, 1 in 2 games? At least come back and say that after he's scored 5 in 10. Interesting how Mooney's record is barely any worse than Dickson's at Bristol Rovers...
Have to agree with dabos, he's not the answer to our problems. I doubt he'd have done anything last night once we were 1-0 down, wouldn't have been any space for him.
If he was that good, Bristol Rovers would have surely signed him. Instead he was dropped to the bench more often towards the end of his loan, and he's ended up at Gillingham.
Scoham - as I say Dicko has scored 12 in 13 starts and 8 in 11 League starts in this Division for Gillingham and Stimson. But we can choose to ignore that and refuse to accept that players play for man Managers. In which case why have a Manager at all?
Not saying he should come back because he knows his face doesn't fit. Darren Ambrose never did it for us either and that was all his fault too.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
I accept that scoring record is impressive. However, he has been poor in a Charlton shirt, looking every bit a non-league footballer. Parky can't get the best out of him - that is clear. So what do we do? Sack Parky to fit Dicko into the team?
Players must take some of the blame for looking disinterested and able to play well for one club but not another.
The points I am making is that he is nowhere near as bad as some have intimated on here and that players play for Managers. Not suggesting for one minute that we should sack Parky for not getting the best out of Dicko because he is not the only player he struggles to get the best from. The players do have to look at themselves but if they don't believe in the Manager they simply won't perform to the best of their ability.
As I say Dicko is irrelevant now and I'm sure that, on the basis that he is so useless, we will allow him to play against us. And when we go up and the Gills go down we can all say Parky was right all along.
For me his performances for us are far more relevant than his 'x goals in y games' stat. He has made 28 appearances for our first team and not scored a league goal.
Dicko creates an open goal and flicks the ball on for Jackson to score to illustrate the point about playing for another Manager. And scored last night of course.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]The points I am making is that he is nowhere near as bad as some have intimated on here and that players play for Managers. Not suggesting for one minute that we should sack Parky for not getting the best out of Dicko because he is not the only player he struggles to get the best from. The players do have to look at themselves but if they don't believe in the Manager they simply won't perform to the best of their ability.
As I say Dicko is irrelevant now and I'm sure that, on the basis that he is so useless, we will allow him to play against us. And when we go up and the Gills go down we can all say Parky was right all along.
He's not useless, much like McLeod to me they both just have a few strengths that are useful in the right team at this level. Unfortunately they also have a lot of big weaknesses in the rest of their game.
As I said, neither are any good when they don't have space to run into and attack. We don't get that space very often because teams often get men behind the ball.
Like dabos said his performances for us are more relevant than his goalscoring record for another club, even if it was in the same league.
This isn't about Dickson being useless, he's just not been good enough when he has played, and for whatever reasons doesn't suit us.
stick dicko in the unending list of recently used charlton players who are the answer to our problems whilst not in the team and when they are they are farking s**t ....FACT
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]stick dicko in the unending list of recently used charlton players who are the answer to our problems whilst not in the team and when they are they are farking s**t ....FACT
As I say like Darren Ambrose. He'd never have scored 16 goals in the Championship playing under Parky. FACT.
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]For me his performances for us are far more relevant than his 'x goals in y games' stat. He has made 28 appearances for our first team and not scored a league goal.
how many starts has he made for us?
you't can call a 10 minute run off the bench a full appearance
[quote][cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]He has made 28 League appearances for us and been shite in every single one. Thats what matters.[/quote]
Agreed he has looked poor in many of his games, however against Brentford this season in his only League 1 start for us, I thought he made a difference-offered a real threat, got into good positions and claimed an assist (sort of)
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]For me his performances for us are far more relevant than his 'x goals in y games' stat. He has made 28 appearances for our first team and not scored a league goal.
how many starts has he made for us?
you't can call a 10 minute run off the bench a full appearance
He has made 6 league starts for us. I agree that a 10 minute run out doesn't constitute a full appearance, but equally you can't just ignore these appearances for Charlton in which he scored 0 goals. That would be cherry picking.
I got the 28 appearances figure from wikipedia earlier but this is incorrect according to the Charlton website.
He's made 6 starts and 17 sub appearances in the league. 0 goals. He's made 4 sub appearances in the cup. 2 goals.
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]He has made 28 League appearances for us and been shite in every single one. Thats what matters.
Agreed he has looked poor in many of his games, however against Brentford this season in his only League 1 start for us, I thought he made a difference-offered a real threat, got into good positions and claimed an assist (sort of)
And against Plymouth at home last season we won 2-0 with him and Kandol up front, he was pretty good including one brilliant run from inside his own half. So that's 2 of his 6 starts covered in which he played really well.
He divides opinion and i realise he's not everyones cup of tea and that he didn't fit in at Charlton, but i am 100% certain in my opinion that he is a better striker than either Mooney or Sodje.
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]For me his performances for us are far more relevant than his 'x goals in y games' stat. He has made 28 appearances for our first team and not scored a league goal.
how many starts has he made for us?
you't can call a 10 minute run off the bench a full appearance
It was good enough for the people slagging off Kevin Lisbie's career with us.
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I'm not a Dickson fan. But there is the possibility that he couldn't score in a Charlton shirt because we don't have anyone as good as Jackson, creating the situations from which someone like Dickson can poach ...
I never rated him and we won't miss him.
I've rarely been impressed by him, won't miss him either.
I know he had a few cameos off the bench but did he start at Brentford?
yep one start this season at brentford
Definitely started against Brentford. Think that's about it though. He's never done anything for us in a league game when coming off the bench. He is not the answer to our problems.
Clearly, with a record of 12 goals in 13 starts (8 in 11 League starts in this Division) for the Gills Dicko feels confident playing for Stimson. Indeed, he may even end up being a cult hero there in the same way that Killer was for us (having been discarded for pennies by Luton who thought that he was rather one dimensional in his play - which, at the end of the day, he was). And come on how many of us when we first saw Killer thought he could play?
Mooney's all round game might be better (though Dicko did set up an open goal on Saturday) but how many chances does he create for others? After all, his goalscoring record of 4 from 14 starts this season is hardly anything to write home about is it and Dicko's record for us, Brentford and Bristol Rovers is actually better than that (5 in 13 starts).
Dicko's has been moved on because he doesn't do what Parky expects him to do but he does do what Stimson asks of him which is scoring goals for them. As I've said all along the proof of the pudding is in the eating and if Parky is vindicated in the way he has handled the situation by getting us promoted none of us can have any complaints. At the moment though, that is looking a big "if".
Have to agree with dabos, he's not the answer to our problems. I doubt he'd have done anything last night once we were 1-0 down, wouldn't have been any space for him.
If he was that good, Bristol Rovers would have surely signed him. Instead he was dropped to the bench more often towards the end of his loan, and he's ended up at Gillingham.
Scoham - as I say Dicko has scored 12 in 13 starts and 8 in 11 League starts in this Division for Gillingham and Stimson. But we can choose to ignore that and refuse to accept that players play for man Managers. In which case why have a Manager at all?
Not saying he should come back because he knows his face doesn't fit. Darren Ambrose never did it for us either and that was all his fault too.
Teams play Gillingham differently than they play against us. When they defend deep and get men behind the ball, our better players struggle to find space and pass the ball around, nevermind the likes of Dickson. Not seen any full Gillingham games, but I bet Dickson gets more space and time on the ball than he ever did here, and that suits him.
Stimson rates Dickson, so yes he'll get more out of him. Doesn't mean he'd have done it for us though, like Ambrose didn't as you say.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
I accept that scoring record is impressive. However, he has been poor in a Charlton shirt, looking every bit a non-league footballer. Parky can't get the best out of him - that is clear. So what do we do? Sack Parky to fit Dicko into the team?
Players must take some of the blame for looking disinterested and able to play well for one club but not another.
All I keep reading on here is that our problem is our strikers don't score enough goals.
Here is a striker who clearly (as supported by the facts) will score 1 in 2 at this level - something doesn't quite add up for me...
and yes I do, to a certain extent, take the point that sides defend come to the Valley and defend deep against us
As I say Dicko is irrelevant now and I'm sure that, on the basis that he is so useless, we will allow him to play against us. And when we go up and the Gills go down we can all say Parky was right all along.
Dicko creates an open goal and flicks the ball on for Jackson to score to illustrate the point about playing for another Manager. And scored last night of course.
As I said, neither are any good when they don't have space to run into and attack. We don't get that space very often because teams often get men behind the ball.
Like dabos said his performances for us are more relevant than his goalscoring record for another club, even if it was in the same league.
This isn't about Dickson being useless, he's just not been good enough when he has played, and for whatever reasons doesn't suit us.
As I say like Darren Ambrose. He'd never have scored 16 goals in the Championship playing under Parky. FACT.
He's not even starting for Woking. Came on as a sub against Welling on saturday.
how many starts has he made for us?
you't can call a 10 minute run off the bench a full appearance
Agreed he has looked poor in many of his games, however against Brentford this season in his only League 1 start for us, I thought he made a difference-offered a real threat, got into good positions and claimed an assist (sort of)
He has made 6 league starts for us. I agree that a 10 minute run out doesn't constitute a full appearance, but equally you can't just ignore these appearances for Charlton in which he scored 0 goals. That would be cherry picking.
I got the 28 appearances figure from wikipedia earlier but this is incorrect according to the Charlton website.
He's made 6 starts and 17 sub appearances in the league. 0 goals. He's made 4 sub appearances in the cup. 2 goals.
And against Plymouth at home last season we won 2-0 with him and Kandol up front, he was pretty good including one brilliant run from inside his own half. So that's 2 of his 6 starts covered in which he played really well.
He divides opinion and i realise he's not everyones cup of tea and that he didn't fit in at Charlton, but i am 100% certain in my opinion that he is a better striker than either Mooney or Sodje.