Bailey did nothing for 70 mins when he made a great defensive tackle, now if there is 1 player at the club who is entitled to a poor performance it is Sir nicky, The Ronaldo rolling and the Owch as lousd as you can is pathetic and really disapoints,
we had not one player other than Waggy when he came on that scored above an 6, the performance was disjointed we were 1 pass away in most moves and the jeering by the fans has to stop FFS we can all moan and groan but getting on top of a team that have the record we do at home is piss poor and those involved should hang their heads in shame
NSS and Unc will tell you i was pissed off with the performance vocally critical to those i was with but to hear certain sections groaning out so loud you are a disgrace.
On a plus point Waggy now deserves a run in the starting line or at least get 45 mins instead of 10-15 if Sam does his normal failure to produce anything of worth.
I like Grant Bassey i want to love him he is one of us his family go to the games he is a great lad, But he is no full back can you imagine the carnage if waggy was against us down that side,
Imo they should be working on his postional sense and looking to move him infield.
Llera WTF is it with this guy let me tell you now if you wernt there the defending that resulted in the pen was 3rd division it was shite and the reason why we ended up in this fudging league in the first place, he needs to sort himself out or if we do go up he can stay in this shite league.
Poor game, poor performance but 3 points were all that mattered, would have been nice to have a big win but hopefully we're trying not to peak to early :-P
Windscreens got it spot on for me. Whenever we play a poor team they seem to drag us down with them. It was my first game after nearly 6 weeks so i really enjoyed the tension. Think Sam did ok considering at some points he had 3 on him. Basey was the only one getting constant stick around us, kept saying his posterior was rather large. Personally i find it rather fetchin & cheered loudly for him when he set up Mooneys goal. AFKA plenty of seats round us. Next time, dont leave, come & sit with us.
Flat team, flat crowd, two cracking goals and three points.
The formation didn't work. Sam and Jon Jo didn't play well and both came inside so often that we had little width or shape. Add that to a lot of players not playing to there best.
Wagstaff will get a lot of praise for the goal and rightly so but he changed the game with his positioning. By playing as a conventional wide player he gave the midfield an out ball every time. Ditto McKenzie. So rather than taking three touches while trying to find where on earth Sam or JJ where Semedo, Bailey etc had an easy first time ball to feet or behind the full back. Semedo and Bailey looked better players as they had options.
Llera was a mess and while Richardson did OK the defence clearly missed Omozusi's covering runs across the back four. Yes, seriously.
I thought Basey was decent and great overlap (he was on the byline FFS) for the goal.
We had so many clear headers from corners and crosses and only Mooney's threatened. Burton for all his hard work had his heading radar well off but others were off target as well. Corners were fine as they were finding CAFC heads everytime but not finished.
Dickson was poor. Shame the goal didn't stand as might have been a confidence boost but it was a push.
Time to go back to 4 - 5 - 1.
And before you spit your coffee out think about it. Not every game but when teams come and go 4 - 5- 1 against us and away from home it's an option. With Bailey/Jon Jo and Semedo you have the numbers and the the guile to break teams down. You can play with Wagstaff/Sam and/or McKenzie wide so there are still goals. It also allows Shelvey to push up the pitch where he can hurt teams.
PS Who's John the Rat? Would I recognise him?
PPS Streaker. Funny but take your ban and stop bigging it up on facebook etc. Gives the club all sorts of aggro to deal with
PPPS good to meet CAFCDan18. Sorry I missed Bev97 but arrived late.
PPPPS Dickie Davies from SSN asked Alex Wright if we won the funding for the upbeats team. Dickie said to Alex, who'd given him a leaflet a few months ago, that he had voted but didn't know who won. Took the time to ask and was genuinely pleased. Top man.
shockingly poor performance, but as I said before the game, the result was all important.
we were bad from 1-11 in my opinion, with the exception of Bailey, Richardson and to a certain degree Burton (who worked his nuts off with little help)
Llera is a disaster waiting to happen at the moment and is doing nothing to suggest that Sodje won't walk back into the side, Basey apart from the cross for the goal was again poor. Sam will be very lucky to start against the O's, personally I feel Waggy has now done enough to nab his starting spot and Mooney had his worst game for us despite scoring.
in an ideal world we'd be able to pick up a striker, left winger and centre half.....however this ain't an ideal world!
[cite]Posted By: Valley_floyd_red[/cite]Bloody awful performance. The only players that caught my eye were Bailey and Wagstaff, other than that a very below average performance across the team. The second half was an improvement but only because we did what we should have done in the first place, keep our shape and hold the ball up, be patient and wait for the opportunities to get forward.
Hartlepool were without a doubt the worst side I've seen at the Valley for many a year, they really shouldn't have posed any threat what-so-ever. But somehow, we managed to concede a stupid penalty and let a dreadful side back into the game.
Six months down the line the only thing any of us will remember about this evening will be a semi-naked man with mental heath problems running all over the pitch. But 3 points is three points and we have a few more games to buck our ideas up before we fac a team that should offer more of a decent footballing challenge.
"Mental health problems"..................what a miserable old sod you are pal!
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]On a plus point Waggy now deserves a run in the starting line or at least get 45 mins instead of 10-15 if Sam does his normal failure to produce anything of worth.
What about Sam's cross that Jonjo headed over? Too often now Sam's good work is easily forgotten. He was no worse than Bailey or Shelvey really. Unlike them though, if he doesn't score or get an assist he's seen as having a bad game.
Wagstaff is still better coming on as an impact sub when there's a bit more space and tired defenders, Sam the opposite, he'll hold onto the ball when players area closing him down, double marking him etc. Most of the game Hartlepool had their whole team standing off us, back in their own half and Sam didn't have much space (more than most players, they do try and crowd him out). Wagstaff came on and a bit of space opened up which he could run into.
Not saying Sam had a good game, but he was no worse than anyone else and along with Jonjo was our biggest threat until they both came off.
Bad Atmosphere, Bad football, the formation is a worry its not working, feel for jonjo not in his natural position and i think it shows, people moan about llera but the last 3 games i been to millwall wycombe and hartlepool dailly is just not at the races, distrubution letting him down. Sam very in and out of the game thought he was having his best spell when taken off. Couldn't moan though we got through the 1st of 3 games where we need maximum points we have lost 2 all season and yet our support tonight was shambolic.
Still 3 points and Mooney 1st goal at 6/1 will do for me
[cite]Posted By: CAFCBourne[/cite]people moan about llera but the last 3 games i been to millwall wycombe and hartlepool dailly is just not at the races, distrubution letting him down.
Just like I said how Sam is critisized and other midfielders mistakes are more easily forgotten, that's another example. Fair enough Llera gave away the penalty, but Dailly played poor passes as well and wasn't always convincing in the air.
[cite]Posted By: CAFCBourne[/cite]people moan about llera but the last 3 games i been to millwall wycombe and hartlepool dailly is just not at the races, distrubution letting him down.
Just like I said how Sam is critisized and other midfielders mistakes are more easily forgotten, that's another example. Fair enough Llera gave away the penalty, but Dailly played poor passes as well and wasn't always convincing in the air.
I agree, i think llera didn't play as bad as dailly and did not have a bad game other then giving the penalty away
ok we got 3 points but the game was awful as was Llera the man is a liability ive said this so many times on here a centre half has got to be a must before the transfer window shuts a permanent signing or a loanee , also our left side needs to be sorted basey f--k me he is slow and he doesnt have an option in front of him i feel for jonjo because to get the best out of him i feel he has to play down the middle or give him a free role ,Lloyd sam needs a kick up the arse the boy has talent but for f---ks sake he has got to be more direct the full backs in this league aint that good and he should be running them ragged he needs to believe in himself a bit more ,bottom line is its another 3 points but thats only papering over the cracks and if we are going to go up automatically we need to improve .
[quote][cite]Posted By: CAFCBourne[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: JT[/cite]Dailly is so much more composed than Llera.[/quote]
at what giving the ball away!! last night his distrubution was terrible maybe he needs a rest?[/quote]
dailly looks a bit out of sorts at the moment but he is a by far a better player than Llera,Llera is not good enough and we need to address the situation.
Can't believe some of the criticism Sam is getting. I thought he was very harshly substituted last night, although Wagstaff obviously made a telling contribution so it was worth it. There was one point in the first half where Sam was triple marked/had 3 players trying to block a cross and he still got it over. Agree with others that he needs to hug the touchline more, and perhaps he should pass back more often - if he is being double marked we should be able to switch it to the opposite flank to take advantage of an extra man somewhere.
Also didn't think Llera was that bad. He made a poor tackle for the penalty, but Sodje is just as culpable at making mistakes and is also a liability in terms of discipline.
Richardson was rusty in terms of passing but made a number of good headers and clearances. Bit harsh to leave out Omo given his improvement over recent weeks but as long as Richardson is fully fit I'm happy he's back.
Atmosphere was poor because of the lack of away fans. If the away fans don't sing there's no opportunity for banter. It felt like a pre-season friendly.
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]Can't believe some of the criticism Sam is getting. I thought he was very harshly substituted last night, although Wagstaff obviously made a telling contribution so it was worth it. There was one point in the first half where Sam was triple marked/had 3 players trying to block a cross and he still got it over. Agree with others that he needs to hug the touchline more, and perhaps he should pass back more often - if he is being double marked we should be able to switch it to the opposite flank to take advantage of an extra man somewhere.
Also didn't think Llera was that bad. He made a poor tackle for the penalty, but Sodje is just as culpable at making mistakes and is also a liability in terms of discipline.
Richardson was rusty in terms of passing but made a number of good headers and clearances. Bit harsh to leave out Omo given his improvement over recent weeks but as long as Richardson is fully fit I'm happy he's back.
Atmosphere was poor because of the lack of away fans. If the away fans don't sing there's no opportunity for banter. It felt like a pre-season friendly.
Well he is very incosistent, yes in momments he showed how good he can be but he is very frustrating! how he cannot do for the whole 60mins he is on, last night thought he got better as game went on as did the team
[quote][cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]Can't believe some of the criticism Sam is getting. I thought he was very harshly substituted last night, although Wagstaff obviously made a telling contribution so it was worth it. There was one point in the first half where Sam was triple marked/had 3 players trying to block a cross and he still got it over. Agree with others that he needs to hug the touchline more, and perhaps he should pass back more often - if he is being double marked we should be able to switch it to the opposite flank to take advantage of an extra man somewhere.
Also didn't think Llera was that bad. He made a poor tackle for the penalty, but Sodje is just as culpable at making mistakes and is also a liability in terms of discipline.
Richardson was rusty in terms of passing but made a number of good headers and clearances. Bit harsh to leave out Omo given his improvement over recent weeks but as long as Richardson is fully fit I'm happy he's back.
Atmosphere was poor because of the lack of away fans. If the away fans don't sing there's no opportunity for banter. It felt like a pre-season friendly.[/quote]
well if sodje andLlera are both culpable of making mistakes then we need to get someone in as for sam he came off cos he was knackered 2 games in a week he cant do poor lad i feel for him he should try doing a weeks graft , he is overated and as for those silly boots .
If anything Sam is underrated not overrated. No one thinks he's brilliant but he does an important job for the team. Makes mistakes but so do our other important players.
Ideally we'd another centre back but that might not be possible. You can't expect Llera and Sodje to never
make mistakes can you?
I cannot understand why we defended so deep against a poor side with only one not very pacy striker. Surely Dailly has been around enough to recognise this. Part of the panic, particularly by Llera would have been avoided if we'd have been 10 or 20 yards up the pitch and Robbie could have swept up easier. Their mediocre midfield would have struggled with less space to work in.
We looked stronger when the subs came on and McKenzie seems fit so why not start him on the left where he has played often in the past, it gives us much better shape. JonJo or Nicky on the left isn't working. Talented as he is, I can't see a place for JJ at the moment. I'm surprised we didn't try him in the holding role when Semedo was suspended, as I think this will be his ultimate role, given his excellent close control and passing. At the moment he drifts in and out of the game and often seems out of position, although we don't know what Parky has instructed him to do.
I must have been watching the same game as Northstandsteve but a different one to plenty of others as for me Bailey was anonymous until the last 20 minutes which was a major reason why we looked so poor - he is our main man and pretty much everything is sparked by him
fortunately he finally made a bit of an impact towards the end
Sam was also very quiet first-half but we seemed to get the ball to him a little more after the break and at this level he looks dangerous every time he runs at the oppo's right-back
[quote][cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]If anything Sam is underrated not overrated. No one thinks he's brilliant but he does an important job for the team. Makes mistakes but so do our other important players.
Ideally we'd another centre back but that might not be possible. You can't expect Llera and Sodje to never make mistakes can you?[/quote]
[quote][cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]If anything Sam is underrated not overrated. No one thinks he's brilliant but he does an important job for the team. Makes mistakes but so do our other important players.
look all players make mistakes but Llera makes to many for my liking he aint good enough ,and as for sam underrated dont make me laugh f--k me ive had some jokes sent to my mobile this week but thats the best one ive heard in ages.
Ideally we'd another centre back but that might not be possible. You can't expect Llera and Sodje to never make mistakes can you?[/quote]
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we had not one player other than Waggy when he came on that scored above an 6, the performance was disjointed we were 1 pass away in most moves and the jeering by the fans has to stop FFS we can all moan and groan but getting on top of a team that have the record we do at home is piss poor and those involved should hang their heads in shame
NSS and Unc will tell you i was pissed off with the performance vocally critical to those i was with but to hear certain sections groaning out so loud you are a disgrace.
On a plus point Waggy now deserves a run in the starting line or at least get 45 mins instead of 10-15 if Sam does his normal failure to produce anything of worth.
I like Grant Bassey i want to love him he is one of us his family go to the games he is a great lad, But he is no full back can you imagine the carnage if waggy was against us down that side,
Imo they should be working on his postional sense and looking to move him infield.
Llera WTF is it with this guy let me tell you now if you wernt there the defending that resulted in the pen was 3rd division it was shite and the reason why we ended up in this fudging league in the first place, he needs to sort himself out or if we do go up he can stay in this shite league.
Daily needs to recapture his early form
glad we got away with it
That dive in the second half was as embarrasing as Ronaldo in his first year at The Valley
Haven't lost in the League since late October. Next tricky game is the Swindon one, they are in great form. Although we only need 9 men.
The formation didn't work. Sam and Jon Jo didn't play well and both came inside so often that we had little width or shape. Add that to a lot of players not playing to there best.
Wagstaff will get a lot of praise for the goal and rightly so but he changed the game with his positioning. By playing as a conventional wide player he gave the midfield an out ball every time. Ditto McKenzie. So rather than taking three touches while trying to find where on earth Sam or JJ where Semedo, Bailey etc had an easy first time ball to feet or behind the full back. Semedo and Bailey looked better players as they had options.
Llera was a mess and while Richardson did OK the defence clearly missed Omozusi's covering runs across the back four. Yes, seriously.
I thought Basey was decent and great overlap (he was on the byline FFS) for the goal.
We had so many clear headers from corners and crosses and only Mooney's threatened. Burton for all his hard work had his heading radar well off but others were off target as well. Corners were fine as they were finding CAFC heads everytime but not finished.
Dickson was poor. Shame the goal didn't stand as might have been a confidence boost but it was a push.
Time to go back to 4 - 5 - 1.
And before you spit your coffee out think about it. Not every game but when teams come and go 4 - 5- 1 against us and away from home it's an option. With Bailey/Jon Jo and Semedo you have the numbers and the the guile to break teams down. You can play with Wagstaff/Sam and/or McKenzie wide so there are still goals. It also allows Shelvey to push up the pitch where he can hurt teams.
PS Who's John the Rat? Would I recognise him?
PPS Streaker. Funny but take your ban and stop bigging it up on facebook etc. Gives the club all sorts of aggro to deal with
PPPS good to meet CAFCDan18. Sorry I missed Bev97 but arrived late.
PPPPS Dickie Davies from SSN asked Alex Wright if we won the funding for the upbeats team. Dickie said to Alex, who'd given him a leaflet a few months ago, that he had voted but didn't know who won. Took the time to ask and was genuinely pleased. Top man.
we were bad from 1-11 in my opinion, with the exception of Bailey, Richardson and to a certain degree Burton (who worked his nuts off with little help)
Llera is a disaster waiting to happen at the moment and is doing nothing to suggest that Sodje won't walk back into the side, Basey apart from the cross for the goal was again poor. Sam will be very lucky to start against the O's, personally I feel Waggy has now done enough to nab his starting spot and Mooney had his worst game for us despite scoring.
in an ideal world we'd be able to pick up a striker, left winger and centre half.....however this ain't an ideal world!
"Mental health problems"..................what a miserable old sod you are pal!
No worries mate, im sure i'll paths will cross some other time :-)
Was a bit dissapointed didnt meet you but ill live lol
I hope you meant by me you missed? as its 87 matey ;oD
Can entirely understand your disapointment at missing Sir Henry...it's a must thing to do if you want to be thought of as a real Addick!
Wagstaff is still better coming on as an impact sub when there's a bit more space and tired defenders, Sam the opposite, he'll hold onto the ball when players area closing him down, double marking him etc. Most of the game Hartlepool had their whole team standing off us, back in their own half and Sam didn't have much space (more than most players, they do try and crowd him out). Wagstaff came on and a bit of space opened up which he could run into.
Not saying Sam had a good game, but he was no worse than anyone else and along with Jonjo was our biggest threat until they both came off.
Still 3 points and Mooney 1st goal at 6/1 will do for me
I agree, i think llera didn't play as bad as dailly and did not have a bad game other then giving the penalty away
at what giving the ball away!! last night his distrubution was terrible maybe he needs a rest?
at what giving the ball away!! last night his distrubution was terrible maybe he needs a rest?[/quote]
dailly looks a bit out of sorts at the moment but he is a by far a better player than Llera,Llera is not good enough and we need to address the situation.
Also didn't think Llera was that bad. He made a poor tackle for the penalty, but Sodje is just as culpable at making mistakes and is also a liability in terms of discipline.
Richardson was rusty in terms of passing but made a number of good headers and clearances. Bit harsh to leave out Omo given his improvement over recent weeks but as long as Richardson is fully fit I'm happy he's back.
Atmosphere was poor because of the lack of away fans. If the away fans don't sing there's no opportunity for banter. It felt like a pre-season friendly.
Well he is very incosistent, yes in momments he showed how good he can be but he is very frustrating! how he cannot do for the whole 60mins he is on, last night thought he got better as game went on as did the team
Also didn't think Llera was that bad. He made a poor tackle for the penalty, but Sodje is just as culpable at making mistakes and is also a liability in terms of discipline.
Richardson was rusty in terms of passing but made a number of good headers and clearances. Bit harsh to leave out Omo given his improvement over recent weeks but as long as Richardson is fully fit I'm happy he's back.
Atmosphere was poor because of the lack of away fans. If the away fans don't sing there's no opportunity for banter. It felt like a pre-season friendly.[/quote]
well if sodje andLlera are both culpable of making mistakes then we need to get someone in as for sam he came off cos he was knackered 2 games in a week he cant do poor lad
i feel for him he should try doing a weeks graft , he is overated and as for those silly boots .
Ideally we'd another centre back but that might not be possible. You can't expect Llera and Sodje to never
make mistakes can you?
I'm actually dreading it if we go up next year. People will be expecting play-offs at least.
We looked stronger when the subs came on and McKenzie seems fit so why not start him on the left where he has played often in the past, it gives us much better shape. JonJo or Nicky on the left isn't working. Talented as he is, I can't see a place for JJ at the moment. I'm surprised we didn't try him in the holding role when Semedo was suspended, as I think this will be his ultimate role, given his excellent close control and passing. At the moment he drifts in and out of the game and often seems out of position, although we don't know what Parky has instructed him to do.
I must have been watching the same game as Northstandsteve but a different one to plenty of others as for me Bailey was anonymous until the last 20 minutes which was a major reason why we looked so poor - he is our main man and pretty much everything is sparked by him
fortunately he finally made a bit of an impact towards the end
Sam was also very quiet first-half but we seemed to get the ball to him a little more after the break and at this level he looks dangerous every time he runs at the oppo's right-back
Ideally we'd another centre back but that might not be possible. You can't expect Llera and Sodje to never
make mistakes can you?[/quote]
[quote][cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]If anything Sam is underrated not overrated. No one thinks he's brilliant but he does an important job for the team. Makes mistakes but so do our other important players.
look all players make mistakes but Llera makes to many for my liking he aint good enough ,and as for sam underrated dont make me laugh f--k me ive had some jokes sent to my mobile this week but thats the best one ive heard in ages.
Ideally we'd another centre back but that might not be possible. You can't expect Llera and Sodje to never
make mistakes can you?[/quote]