[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]I suppose it happens to most people every few weeks / months / years, where the team isn't performing, the game isn't great, and 98% of the people around you turn out to be complete bell ends.
I had one of those tonight. Left on 64 minutes, had had enough of unsupportive twats. Earliest i have ever left a game (stayed to the final whistle when we got dicked 5-0 by Wham on Boxing Day, for example).
Really glad we won, but feels a very hollow victory.
Thought you just moved rather than left all together.
Just saw the goals on SSN, thought they were a bit wide of the mark saying our first was against the run of play.
Agree with most on here, poor performance but who cares, 3 points in the bag. With Leeds playing in the cup this weekend we can move level on points with them next Monday, got to be motivation for the team
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]I suppose it happens to most people every few weeks / months / years, where the team isn't performing, the game isn't great, and 98% of the people around you turn out to be complete bell ends.
I had one of those tonight. Left on 64 minutes, had had enough of unsupportive twats.
Really glad we won, but feels a very hollow victory.
Wish i had left then .... Strange game strange atmosphere for a team challenging for the title, just nothing and no one got going tonight. Not really a game you could look for plusses from, maybe the only good thing was the 3 points. Not one player done themselves much credit with maybe the exception of waggy
[cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite]Absolute shocker in terms of entertainment value.
Hartlepool showed little intent yet we still gifted them a goal and presented them with a couple of good chances.
No atmosphere in the ground and it seemed to rub off on a number of our players.
Defensively we still look ropey. Elliot still doesn't talk enough, we came very close to another Colchester-eque moment in the first half. Llera just worries me every time the ball goes near him. Penalty was a joke, he just watched the bloke run off his shoulder and then swung a leg at him.
Sam was totally ineffective. Yes he was being doubled up on, but he still offered nothing. Personally would have made the Wagstaff change 10 mins earlier.
Burton worked hard with little service.
Only ones who impressed me were Bailey and Richardson.
Win is a win and all that, but the lack of chances created tonight is a worry.
Fair play to Parky for getting the subs right, but tactically I thought we got it wrong from the start. The game was crying out for two wingers.
I don't mind this formation, however at home if Youga isn't playing it doesn't really work. You need the full backs overlapping and Basey doesn't do it enough.
6/10 for me.
I was not at the game so will bow to your view as you were there, however, didn't Basey set up Mooney's header from an overlapping cross?
Anyone else willing to admit shouting 'no!' as Waggy went to hit it?! A great strike but wouldn't want him hitting too many from that distance too often.
Agree with everyone else, performance didnt inspire but key is 3 points. Big game next monday.
[cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite]Absolute shocker in terms of entertainment value.
Hartlepool showed little intent yet we still gifted them a goal and presented them with a couple of good chances.
No atmosphere in the ground and it seemed to rub off on a number of our players.
Defensively we still look ropey. Elliot still doesn't talk enough, we came very close to another Colchester-eque moment in the first half. Llera just worries me every time the ball goes near him. Penalty was a joke, he just watched the bloke run off his shoulder and then swung a leg at him.
Sam was totally ineffective. Yes he was being doubled up on, but he still offered nothing. Personally would have made the Wagstaff change 10 mins earlier.
Burton worked hard with little service.
Only ones who impressed me were Bailey and Richardson.
Win is a win and all that, but the lack of chances created tonight is a worry.
Fair play to Parky for getting the subs right, but tactically I thought we got it wrong from the start. The game was crying out for two wingers.
I don't mind this formation, however at home if Youga isn't playing it doesn't really work. You need the full backs overlapping and Basey doesn't do it enough.
6/10 for me.
I was not at the game so will bow to your view as you were there, however, didn't Basey set up Mooney's header from an overlapping cross?
It was Basey's cross, Not so sure it was an overlapping run though. He just doesn't get forward enough for me. If want to play the diamond it is made for Youga.
i dont think it was his best personally, i think in the second half he got better but first half was very poor. as good as a job he has done when he first came into the side i think we are missing youga, Basey can still do a job in LM if they are not willing to start mackenzie, who may i add i though looked very good and definately deserves a start if fit enough
Found first half really tedious.We looked liked we hadbn't played for weeks, not together anyway. 4 corners I think and all wasted by "loopers". You need pace at a corner as our cross for the goal proved. Why wasn't JJ taking them?
Their goal kicked us into action and we were much better 2nd half.
Great positive substitutions and it worked. Neede to keep the wins going after Saturdays close call. It doesn't need to be said but we all know the next two games, both at home, simply must yield a further 6 points if we are to seriously challange the top 2.
I am getting concerned with the crowds treatment of JJ, he seems to be the scapegoat if things are not going smoothly, plenty of moans about him where I sit and you can hear jeers from other stands too directed at him. Some people just amaze me- pathetic.
Waggy - Great advert for Valley Gold (Which incidently wasn't around when I was a player either).
MOTM for me Burton, simply tireless and unselfish.
Happy with result, agree that we lacked shape but they were poor so good to see us win when playing average.
Bailey and Semedo were excellent in the centre but we struggled outwide. agree Waggy is better atm as an impact player.
Very unimpressed with Llera, stonewall pen and some lazy distribution. Basey also concerned me although again was on his own a little.
Least we have almost a week before next game so Youga may be ready, Richardson and Mooney will have had another weeks training after injuries and maybe Parky will have time to bring in a LM
[MOTM for me Burton, simply tireless and unselfish.[/quote]
Tireless and unselfish, yes. But his presence seems to encourage people to boot the ball up to him, rather than play the ball around on the ground. That's not entirely his fault but it is a tactic which requires more control than he has, and someone to feed off him. That's not happening. And for a number 10 how many shots on target did he have tonight? I can't remember one.
Absolutely awful performance tonight. Hartlepool were poor and there for the taking. The biggest disappointment being, we wasted an opportunity to score a few goals and improve our goal difference. JonJo had a poor game, but it's obvious he doesn't like being out on the left. I thought Mackenzie had more about him in his twenty minutes or so, than any other of our forward players. Bailey didn't have a great game, but was still M.O.M. for me.
I thought that Mcenzie, as well as Wagstaff made a big difference when they came on, Mcenzie added a greater physical presecnce to the front. Jonjo is getting a lot of stick from the crowd, given that he is a significant assett it amazes me that the boo boys seem to have decided that he should be a target
Poor game with two moments of quality both of which resulted in goals.. Basey's cross was sublime and Mooney lost his marker and finished clinically. I still don't think Waggy is ready to start but that finish tonight was superb. Credit to Parky for his substitutions even though I questioned them at the time (to myself not by booing!)
Apologies if answered elsewhere already but why was Dickson's goal disallowed? I couldn't see any obvious infringement.
This was a win ugly game and we managed it and we will undoubtedly have more of these matches, especially at home.
I just hope that the tossers who booed Jonjo when he tried that long crossfield ball keep their gobs shut in future.
If we are going to achieve promotion team and fans need to be as one.
Well done lads 3 much needed points. All that needs to be said really.
Good to meet JohnnyBev, Blackheath Addick and Colin Walsh's Lovechild and nice to see MOG again.
Strange game. The lack of atmosphere seemed to affect the players and we tried to play the game in second gear only stepping it up when they equalised.
Thought Hartlepool were awful and despite the fact that we were really poor we were still the better team.
Liked Dickson's cameo and the disallowed goal showed why some think he can come good, it was a push but he still showed that he has an instinct for goal.
We seem to play badly with the 4-4-2 but still create chances whereas with the 4-4-1-1 we play better football but don't create as many chances. It's tough to make a change when you are unbeaten in a while but I'd like to see us try going 4-4-1-1 with Sam and McKenzie (assuming he can play 90 minutes) as genuine wide attackers with Bailey and Semedo in the middle and Jonjo behind Deon.
3 points is 3 points and I will take the win......
however IMO we won today despite Parkinson, not because of him. Hartlepool were always going to come and defend in numbers and we needed two wingers from the start to try to stretch them. Parky then waited too long to make the substitutions and whilst people will point out that they worked it was dangerous to leave that until the last 20 minutes, and that type of caution is probably why we have drawn so many we should have won this season.
Llera is awful and I can't wait for Sodje to return and there has to be a better striker out there than Mooney...I know he scored tonight but that aside he bottled just about every single challenge, won nothing and gave the ball away when he did bother to get it. McKenzie to start the next game please.
Awful atmosphere. Gee, why can't some people at least clap?
Couldn't believe the complete morons who booed JJ. Didn't he hit the post? Provide a great backheel that led to the first goal? It's not been a great season for him for sure, but he's hardly disgraced himself and to boo him is utterly idiotic.
First half was awful but as mentioned one moment of genuine quality yielded the first goal.
Fantastic vision by Waggy for his goal - hats off.
Gutted when Dickson's goal was disallowed. Looked good to me from where I was and he looked so happy!
Just pleased that we won in the end. Need to improve though.
Tireless and unselfish, yes. But his presence seems to encourage people to boot the ball up to him, rather than play the ball around on the ground. That's not entirely his fault but it is a tactic which requires more control than he has, and someone to feed off him. That's not happening. And for a number 10 how many shots on target did he have tonight? I can't remember one.
Burton has the control, it's the physical presence he lacks against the typical big strong centre backs. Might not have quick feet but he has a great first touch.
Great goal by Wagstaff, Mooneys goal a decent move as well.
Shelvey and Sam seem to get too much critizism in comparison to the rest of the team. There was some sloppy passing from pretty much every player and some poor decisions. They're trying to get things going and a few times both of them nearly scored or assisted a goal. As a young midfielder and a winger they're going to look poor at times, but when they pull it off they're our
most creative players going forward.
Noone really played well today, poor game! three points is all that matters but in future we need to start putting in better perofmrnaces than that if we want promotion
Bloody awful performance. The only players that caught my eye were Bailey and Wagstaff, other than that a very below average performance across the team. The second half was an improvement but only because we did what we should have done in the first place, keep our shape and hold the ball up, be patient and wait for the opportunities to get forward.
Hartlepool were without a doubt the worst side I've seen at the Valley for many a year, they really shouldn't have posed any threat what-so-ever. But somehow, we managed to concede a stupid penalty and let a dreadful side back into the game.
Six months down the line the only thing any of us will remember about this evening will be a semi-naked man with mental heath problems running all over the pitch. But 3 points is three points and we have a few more games to buck our ideas up before we fac a team that should offer more of a decent footballing challenge.
Let's not forget that Basey has played the last 2 games without anyone in front of him. Not sure it's a 'diamond'; Parky just said 'we played without a left midfielder' after the Wycombe game. Tonight was no different. It's a lot to ask of anyone, so I think Basey has done brilliantly over the last 2 games considering what's been asked of him.
I think that if Elliot is going to persist in playing the ball out short to the defence, they have got to learn to pass or dribble it up the pitch. It's no good him playing it short for them to play it long. If that's the game we might as well push everyone up a bit further and take the drop kick instead.
Ithink Frazer looked a little bit rusty but i'd have him over Omunuzi (sp)
Wasn't our best display by any stretch, but Hartlepool were poor. Llera had a stinker with many mis-placed passes and a stupid pen to give away.
lloyd Sam is the most hot & cold player on this earth but that's another debate. For about 15 mins in the 2nd half he was like a non league player, but then sprung into life again just before he came off. Wagstaff has always impressed me, and his introduction was a key one credit to parky for that. It's all well and good having 4 strikers on the pitch but you need someone like Scotty to get on the ball and create.
Never felt threatened by them at any point, and similar to Wycombe i always felt we'd score again - although did start to get a bit worrying going into the last 15. Didn't see the supposed push by Dicko for the 3rd goal, he took it well none the less. His touch was letting him down again though i thought.
Thought Semedo & Bailey were excellent again in the middle, full backs did ok although Grant's pace really is against him, i really think he'd be more suited to a defensive mid type role.
Some of the shouts/half chants coming from the NU around the J/H area were ridiculous. JJ was getting stick which i kept thinking 'i hope Uncle's not up here!' Undeservedly so, thought he another good game and was starting to really get into the game before he came off. Glad to hear the JJ song to shut them up. Lloyd Sam was getting a lot too, when it's clear Lloyd is a confidence player there really is no need for it. What help does that give us searching for the winner?
Boo's were heard at 1-1. i did wonder when i heard a group trying to start 'your support fucking shit' at the start of the game whether these folk were at the reverse fixture, or indeed Tranmere, Stockport or Carlisle. I doubt they even went to Wycombe.
Credit to the 84 or so that appeared in the JS.
Borat give us a wave. At 15/16 doing that is just unthinkable!
uncle was sitting in lower west,where i was,didn't hear the abuse of jonjo and pleased i didn't.I cannot believe people thought Bailey did well.He played for the last 20 minutes of the game when he looked like his old self,before that he was completely out of salts.And I must say he did his dying swan right in front of us again when he lost the ball.The Hartlepool player didn't touch him.I was with my sons football team as we got free tickets and I told all the other dads to watch he sprint back on as if nothing happened,and he didn't disappoint.Nicky my son you are better than that.Nth London Addick and Uncle were behind me and we all said the same as he went down.
and i think the only criticism of jonjo is when the team as a whole isnt playing well,he takes it upon his shoulders to try and lift things and make things happen and ends up doing too much,that is just youthfulness the quality is there for all to see.
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There really are some strange 'fans' of ours.
Agree with most on here, poor performance but who cares, 3 points in the bag. With Leeds playing in the cup this weekend we can move level on points with them next Monday, got to be motivation for the team
Wish i had left then .... Strange game strange atmosphere for a team challenging for the title, just nothing and no one got going tonight. Not really a game you could look for plusses from, maybe the only good thing was the 3 points. Not one player done themselves much credit with maybe the exception of waggy
I was not at the game so will bow to your view as you were there, however, didn't Basey set up Mooney's header from an overlapping cross?
Agree with everyone else, performance didnt inspire but key is 3 points. Big game next monday.
Weren't just Jonjo mate, all of them were getting it from that lot. Sam and Shelvey the main ones. Haven't got a clue.
Thought Basey played well as did bailey and richardson, llera had a bit of a mare, burton and mooney look good together.
It was Basey's cross, Not so sure it was an overlapping run though. He just doesn't get forward enough for me. If want to play the diamond it is made for Youga.
i dont think it was his best personally, i think in the second half he got better but first half was very poor. as good as a job he has done when he first came into the side i think we are missing youga, Basey can still do a job in LM if they are not willing to start mackenzie, who may i add i though looked very good and definately deserves a start if fit enough
Their goal kicked us into action and we were much better 2nd half.
Great positive substitutions and it worked. Neede to keep the wins going after Saturdays close call. It doesn't need to be said but we all know the next two games, both at home, simply must yield a further 6 points if we are to seriously challange the top 2.
I am getting concerned with the crowds treatment of JJ, he seems to be the scapegoat if things are not going smoothly, plenty of moans about him where I sit and you can hear jeers from other stands too directed at him. Some people just amaze me- pathetic.
Waggy - Great advert for Valley Gold (Which incidently wasn't around when I was a player either).
MOTM for me Burton, simply tireless and unselfish.
Bailey and Semedo were excellent in the centre but we struggled outwide. agree Waggy is better atm as an impact player.
Very unimpressed with Llera, stonewall pen and some lazy distribution. Basey also concerned me although again was on his own a little.
Least we have almost a week before next game so Youga may be ready, Richardson and Mooney will have had another weeks training after injuries and maybe Parky will have time to bring in a LM
great winner by Wagstaff
nothing more to say really
Tireless and unselfish, yes. But his presence seems to encourage people to boot the ball up to him, rather than play the ball around on the ground. That's not entirely his fault but it is a tactic which requires more control than he has, and someone to feed off him. That's not happening. And for a number 10 how many shots on target did he have tonight? I can't remember one.
JonJo had a poor game, but it's obvious he doesn't like being out on the left. I thought Mackenzie had more about him in his twenty minutes or so, than any other of our forward players.
Bailey didn't have a great game, but was still M.O.M. for me.
Apologies if answered elsewhere already but why was Dickson's goal disallowed? I couldn't see any obvious infringement.
This was a win ugly game and we managed it and we will undoubtedly have more of these matches, especially at home.
I just hope that the tossers who booed Jonjo when he tried that long crossfield ball keep their gobs shut in future.
If we are going to achieve promotion team and fans need to be as one.
Well done lads 3 much needed points. All that needs to be said really.
Good to meet JohnnyBev, Blackheath Addick and Colin Walsh's Lovechild and nice to see MOG again.
Thought Hartlepool were awful and despite the fact that we were really poor we were still the better team.
Liked Dickson's cameo and the disallowed goal showed why some think he can come good, it was a push but he still showed that he has an instinct for goal.
We seem to play badly with the 4-4-2 but still create chances whereas with the 4-4-1-1 we play better football but don't create as many chances. It's tough to make a change when you are unbeaten in a while but I'd like to see us try going 4-4-1-1 with Sam and McKenzie (assuming he can play 90 minutes) as genuine wide attackers with Bailey and Semedo in the middle and Jonjo behind Deon.
however IMO we won today despite Parkinson, not because of him. Hartlepool were always going to come and defend in numbers and we needed two wingers from the start to try to stretch them. Parky then waited too long to make the substitutions and whilst people will point out that they worked it was dangerous to leave that until the last 20 minutes, and that type of caution is probably why we have drawn so many we should have won this season.
Llera is awful and I can't wait for Sodje to return and there has to be a better striker out there than Mooney...I know he scored tonight but that aside he bottled just about every single challenge, won nothing and gave the ball away when he did bother to get it. McKenzie to start the next game please.
Awful atmosphere. Gee, why can't some people at least clap?
Couldn't believe the complete morons who booed JJ. Didn't he hit the post? Provide a great backheel that led to the first goal? It's not been a great season for him for sure, but he's hardly disgraced himself and to boo him is utterly idiotic.
First half was awful but as mentioned one moment of genuine quality yielded the first goal.
Fantastic vision by Waggy for his goal - hats off.
Gutted when Dickson's goal was disallowed. Looked good to me from where I was and he looked so happy!
Just pleased that we won in the end. Need to improve though.
Great goal by Wagstaff, Mooneys goal a decent move as well.
Shelvey and Sam seem to get too much critizism in comparison to the rest of the team. There was some sloppy passing from pretty much every player and some poor decisions. They're trying to get things going and a few times both of them nearly scored or assisted a goal. As a young midfielder and a winger they're going to look poor at times, but when they pull it off they're our
most creative players going forward.
Hartlepool were without a doubt the worst side I've seen at the Valley for many a year, they really shouldn't have posed any threat what-so-ever. But somehow, we managed to concede a stupid penalty and let a dreadful side back into the game.
Six months down the line the only thing any of us will remember about this evening will be a semi-naked man with mental heath problems running all over the pitch. But 3 points is three points and we have a few more games to buck our ideas up before we fac a team that should offer more of a decent footballing challenge.
I think that if Elliot is going to persist in playing the ball out short to the defence, they have got to learn to pass or dribble it up the pitch. It's no good him playing it short for them to play it long. If that's the game we might as well push everyone up a bit further and take the drop kick instead.
Wasn't our best display by any stretch, but Hartlepool were poor. Llera had a stinker with many mis-placed passes and a stupid pen to give away.
lloyd Sam is the most hot & cold player on this earth but that's another debate. For about 15 mins in the 2nd half he was like a non league player, but then sprung into life again just before he came off. Wagstaff has always impressed me, and his introduction was a key one credit to parky for that. It's all well and good having 4 strikers on the pitch but you need someone like Scotty to get on the ball and create.
Never felt threatened by them at any point, and similar to Wycombe i always felt we'd score again - although did start to get a bit worrying going into the last 15. Didn't see the supposed push by Dicko for the 3rd goal, he took it well none the less. His touch was letting him down again though i thought.
Thought Semedo & Bailey were excellent again in the middle, full backs did ok although Grant's pace really is against him, i really think he'd be more suited to a defensive mid type role.
Some of the shouts/half chants coming from the NU around the J/H area were ridiculous. JJ was getting stick which i kept thinking 'i hope Uncle's not up here!' Undeservedly so, thought he another good game and was starting to really get into the game before he came off. Glad to hear the JJ song to shut them up. Lloyd Sam was getting a lot too, when it's clear Lloyd is a confidence player there really is no need for it. What help does that give us searching for the winner?
Boo's were heard at 1-1. i did wonder when i heard a group trying to start 'your support fucking shit' at the start of the game whether these folk were at the reverse fixture, or indeed Tranmere, Stockport or Carlisle. I doubt they even went to Wycombe.
Credit to the 84 or so that appeared in the JS.
Borat give us a wave. At 15/16 doing that is just unthinkable!