No one is saying he shouldn't be in the team but most of the people saying how well he played wasn't at the game. Are you telling me you have never seen a match then watched the highlights on telly and think, thats not how it was ? have you never thought they have made a team look better than yours before now. Ok i will grant you sam looked good for those 2 minutes.... Its such a shame there is another 88 in the match
Chunes and one or two others...to understand what we are all saying you simply HAD to be at the game....had you have been then you'd know 'exactly' what we are all trying to say.
Fair enough, Uncle ...... but in those 2 minutes of highlights, we saw Sam had created 4 chances, including both goals that won us the game.
If that was all Sam achieved in 90 minutes - well, creating 4 chances, including both winning goals, is still a very good return.
Maybe he could or even should have created more. But most of what Sam creates is not just whacked into the box as hit and hope crosses, he tries to play the ball to feet and find team mates in dangerous positions. Which is what he did for our 2 goals and other chances not taken.
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]Chunes and one or two others...to understand what we are all saying you simply HAD to be at the game....had you have been then you'd know 'exactly' what we are all trying to say.
[cite]Posted By: JT[/cite]If you were at the game it was hard not to comment on Lloyd's lack of vision and early ball.
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]If you went you would understand the criticism. People arent just slating Sam, i think the criticism has been quite constructive. GET THE BALL IN THE BOX EARLIER!
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]No one is saying he shouldn't be in the team but most of the people saying how well he played wasn't at the game.Ok i will grant you sam looked good for those 2 minutes.... Its such a shame there is another 88 in the match
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]to understand what we are all saying you simply HAD to be at the game....had you have been then you'd know 'exactly' what we are all trying to say.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Fair enough, Uncle ...... but in those 2 minutes of highlights, we saw Sam had created 4 chances, including both goals that won us the game.
If that was all Sam achieved in 90 minutes - well, creating 4 chances, including both winning goals, is still a very good return.
Maybe he could or even should have created more. But most of what Sam creates is not just whacked into the box as hit and hope crosses, he tries to play the ball to feet and find team mates in dangerous positions. Which is what he did for our 2 goals and other chances not taken.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Fair enough, Uncle ...... but in those 2 minutes of highlights, we saw Sam had created 4 chances, including both goals that won us the game.
If that was all Sam achieved in 90 minutes - well, creating 4 chances, including both winning goals, is still a very good return.
Maybe he could or even should have created more. But most of what Sam creates is not just whacked into the box as hit and hope crosses, he tries to play the ball to feet and find team mates in dangerous positions. Which is what he did for our 2 goals and other chances not taken.
Oggy OK OK OK you like him....we've got the message...Jeezuz Oggy!
He had enough possesion and chances to have sealed the game comfortably by half time(in fact, make that in the first 30 minutes or so).....I didn't actually notice these 4 clear chances that he is supposed to have made....yes he was in the build up but only one goal actually came from his 'direct' involvement....so where's all these fantastic chances you say he's supposed to have created?....No way, I'm not having any of it matey....you're simply clutching at straws to try to make a point. He had at best an average game and speaking for myself and despite what the TV footage may suggest, I'd give him no more than 5.5 or on a generous day just maybe a 6.0 out of 10.
It's not about liking Sam, SoundAs .... it's about giving credit where it's due.
I watched the BBC footage and saw he was crucially involved in 4 chances .... most people on here were running him down, as if he'd done nothing all match. It didn't add up.
Give him only a miserly 5.5 if that's all you think he's worth. But look at Burton's disallowed goal, look at Shelvey's goal, look at the clear run on goal he created for Mooney - and how with two defenders doubled up on him, he left them both for dead and squared a really inviting ball which nobody at first even moved towards! ...... but after Jonjo's shot was saved, Sam charged down the clearance, resulting in our winning goal.
We're all too quick to slag off our own players. Yeah, SoundAs, mark him 5.5.
i can see where you are coming from if this was chelsea away,maybe even norwich but it wasn't. this was a very hopeless outfit which is why they have conceded more than any side in the division. our management set the side up to exploit their weakest player (they had their pick really).which is why we were consistently attacking in the space that sam was given.time after time it was wasted.
but if you were there and you thought he had a cracking game, well then good luck to you sir.
[cite]Posted By: JT[/cite]Not sure anyone's making Lloyd a scapegoat, as WSS said imagine how good hecouldbe.
Agreed ......Sam's not really being made a scapegoat but he's certainly receiving a lot of stick for the moves that break down - and yet very little credit for how effective his contribution actually is ..... which I believe was Weegie's point.
Sure, maybe we expect Sam to be able to up his game a notch - but then he's a person with human weaknesses, not a machine. And if he was anywhere near approaching the perfection that some demand ...... well, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton in this League, would he ?
Okay the Beeb highlight was only a couple of minutes long - but nevertheless showed 4 chances that Charlton created, including a disallowed goal, a nigh-on 1-on-1 opportunity from a panicky Mooney, and both goals.
Sam set up all 4 chances.
Yet in the player ratings he was rated by some as low as 5, which IMO equates to a poor substandard performance.
I wasn't at the game so can only go on the highlights footage - but the film certainly shows what he does achieve.
Spot on Oggy. Yes he frustrates at times but then Ronaldo doesn't produce a goal or goal scoring opportunity every time he gets the ball does he?
Winning and losing is all about players who can provide match defining moments. That's why Shelvey, Burton, Bailey AND Sam are key to us. Look at the assists and goals.
We'd be lost without him. Admittedly he chooses the wrong option a lot of the time but if he met the standards you lot have he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
I thought we were discussing saturdays match not what he does all season. Most people honestly gave their views of how he perfomed saturday and are now being made to explain themseleves. He wasn't at his best and made some bad choices that was clear to most. Now all you sam lovers will just have to accept that and stop bringing up facts for all the season. THIS IS ABOUT SATURDAY
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]I thought we were discussing saturdays match not what he does all season. Most people honestly gave their views of how he perfomed saturday and are now being made to explain themseleves. He wasn't at his best and made some bad choices that was clear to most. Now all you sam lovers will just have to accept that and stop bringing up facts for all the season. THIS IS ABOUT SATURDAY
And on Saturday he contributed to us scoring two goals.
He is just gonna be one of those players yes he creates a lot for us, but i just feel there are many people out there that watch and know that the positions he gets in he could a lot lot better. Saying that this season has seen improvement and at one stage in the second half saturday he had 3 players close him down so others worry about him. But he could have finished the game saturday with his actions/reading of the game. Still we won UTR
I thought Sam was brilliant at times, but his final ball was very disappointing apart from the first goal. However in his defence it seemed like he saw 50% more of the ball than any other player on the park.
Sam has shown this season he can get a good cross in, something he never did often enough in the two previous seasons. Just a matter of consistency for him. He is very important for us, despite not being as reliable and consistent as say Bailey or Semedo. He's never been a regular goalscorer and probably never will, just doesn't have that instinct. I noticed last season he would often look for a pass instead of shooting. If he could score as many as he set up he probably wouldn't be here. He could do better but we could also have a lot worse than Lloyd Sam.
Sorry, bit off topic but the £803 jackpot prize is still unclaimed. Winning number was quite close to ours which we bought in the hospitality area, - get checking!
Im gonna give up on this now. Threadkiller, Uncle, JT, myself and Soundas (perhaps a couple more) have been trying to explain how we feel Lloyd could improve his game. Granted we have a better position, sitting in the stands we can see the whole game. But Sam on SATURDAY wasted several opportunities against a shite team. If he perhaps done what we are suggesting, by getting the ball in the box earlier when strikers have timed there runs (especially Burton who would thrive on decent service) then the game could have been over at half-time.
If people have their head so far up Sam's arse they cant hear the point we are trying to make, then its pointless talking about it.
Lets hope he has a worldie tonight and shows us exactly what he can do.
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]Im gonna give up on this now. Threadkiller, Uncle, JT, myself and Soundas (perhaps a couple more) have been trying to explain how we feel Lloyd could improve his game. Granted we have a better position, sitting in the stands we can see the whole game. But Sam onSATURDAYwasted several opportunities against a shite team. If he perhaps done what we are suggesting, by getting the ball in the box earlier when strikers have timed there runs (especially Burton who would thrive on decent service) then the game could have been over at half-time.
If people have their head so far up Sam's arse they cant hear the point we are trying to make, then its pointless talking about it.
Lets hope he has a worldie tonight and shows us exactly what he can do.
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If that was all Sam achieved in 90 minutes - well, creating 4 chances, including both winning goals, is still a very good return.
Maybe he could or even should have created more. But most of what Sam creates is not just whacked into the box as hit and hope crosses, he tries to play the ball to feet and find team mates in dangerous positions. Which is what he did for our 2 goals and other chances not taken.
Fair enough, SoundAs.
Oggy OK OK OK you like him....we've got the message...Jeezuz Oggy!
He had enough possesion and chances to have sealed the game comfortably by half time(in fact, make that in the first 30 minutes or so).....I didn't actually notice these 4 clear chances that he is supposed to have made....yes he was in the build up but only one goal actually came from his 'direct' involvement....so where's all these fantastic chances you say he's supposed to have created?....No way, I'm not having any of it matey....you're simply clutching at straws to try to make a point. He had at best an average game and speaking for myself and despite what the TV footage may suggest, I'd give him no more than 5.5 or on a generous day just maybe a 6.0 out of 10.
I watched the BBC footage and saw he was crucially involved in 4 chances .... most people on here were running him down, as if he'd done nothing all match. It didn't add up.
Give him only a miserly 5.5 if that's all you think he's worth. But look at Burton's disallowed goal, look at Shelvey's goal, look at the clear run on goal he created for Mooney - and how with two defenders doubled up on him, he left them both for dead and squared a really inviting ball which nobody at first even moved towards! ...... but after Jonjo's shot was saved, Sam charged down the clearance, resulting in our winning goal.
We're all too quick to slag off our own players. Yeah, SoundAs, mark him 5.5.
but if you were there and you thought he had a cracking game, well then good luck to you sir.
Spot on Oggy. Yes he frustrates at times but then Ronaldo doesn't produce a goal or goal scoring opportunity every time he gets the ball does he?
Winning and losing is all about players who can provide match defining moments. That's why Shelvey, Burton, Bailey AND Sam are key to us. Look at the assists and goals.
And on Saturday he contributed to us scoring two goals.
Parkinson added: “We had chances in the first half and before they scored to kill the game off.
“We got in some fantastic positions and I was just waiting for the net to bulge.
“It didn’t quite happen and at 1-0 you are always under pressure
He hasn't mentioned names but i think we all know he's just saying what we were saying.
If people have their head so far up Sam's arse they cant hear the point we are trying to make, then its pointless talking about it.
Lets hope he has a worldie tonight and shows us exactly what he can do.
I've give up too ;-)