I think it's fairly obvious that Dickson doesn't feature in Parkinson’s plans and as manager that is his prerogative. Whether people on here rate him is irrelevant, the man that matters clearly doesn't.
Parkinson will have his reasons for letting Dickson go on loan, if it comes back to haunt him so be it but at the moment he's doing a good job and has earned the benefit of the doubt imo.
[cite]Posted By: Bournemouth Addick[/cite]Bring him back. Don't care whether we play him or not (and I've not seen much to impress to be honest) but at the very least he'll NOT be scoring for our flipping rivals for gods sake. Can you imagine Fergie lending Chelsea a player or Wenger giving Benitez a hand? No, niether can I.
To a point, I agree. I didn't have a problem with him going but I question the wisdom of letting him go to a potential promotion rival.
Having said that, I can't see how we could call him back now. If (and it's a big if because no-one knows what happened) sending him on loan was to do with his attitude and it's effect on team spirit, how is bringing him back just to play the odd reserve game going to improve the situation?
[cite]Posted By: Bournemouth Addick[/cite]Bring him back. Don't care whether we play him or not (and I've not seen much to impress to be honest) but at the very least he'll NOT be scoring for our flipping rivals for gods sake. Can you imagine Fergie lending Chelsea a player or Wenger giving Benitez a hand? No, niether can I.
Was there not a lot of trumpeting from Parky at the start of this sorry episode that he was only allowed to go on a 3 month loan with a 28 day call back. Personally, I think that the call back option went away (based on no other evidence that we didn't recall him despite him scoring for our rivals and us being in the midst of a striking crisis). But, whatever the truth of it the 28 days has been and gone. I doubt that we have any right of recall before the end of the loan term.
[cite]We have stopped creating opportunities over the last few games when shelvey was knackered and now especially as we dont have him!
So I ask you is Dicko or Shelvey the answer?
I think bring Jonjo back first then Dicko to replace JJ toward the end of games or visa versa!
What I've noticed is that we've stopped playing the ball out from the back. Dailley used to bring it and feed the midfield, but now Robbie invariably hoofs it upfield. This must be tactical by Parky. Our midfield are seeing less quality ball and are less able to hurt the oppo.
[cite]Posted By: Barn Door Varney[/cite]I have no idea what went on behind the scenes any more than you do. All we do know is that Dickson (according to Parkinson) was given the chance to fight of his place with us but he turned that down and went on loan. What does that tell you?
How long does the guy have to fight for his place for? He's been here since March 2007 FFS and his longest run has been 6 games, 2 of which were upfront on his own, in an abysmal Charlton side. He will always get goals. As for attitude, he's reportedly the dressing room joker and unlikely to be unpopular with anyone but Parky.
Interestingly, Roy Keane has indicated that he is likely to recall Kevin Lisbie from his loan in January, having initially shunned him because of his wish to remain London based. Perhaps PP can have a change of heart if Dicko continues to bang them in while our own strikers misfire.
"the dressing room joker", scores goals, came late from local Non League football and therefore didn't suffer the indoctrination that comes from going from being in the "system" at a Club from a kid - all makes him "different". Some Managers buy that and work with it whilst others shun it as they perceive it to undermine their authority.
Steve Coppell "bought" it with Ian Wright (the similarities between the players on and off the pitch are there for all to see albeit that Wrighty did it in the top flight) and the rest, as they say, is history.
Sorry AA but this did make me laugh. Ian Wright and Chris Dickson similar ?
I think you're being a touch flattering to Dicko.
[cite]Posted By: Barn Door Varney[/cite]I have no idea what went on behind the scenes any more than you do. All we do know is that Dickson (according to Parkinson) was given the chance to fight of his place with us but he turned that down and went on loan. What does that tell you?
How long does the guy have to fight for his place for? He's been here since March 2007 FFS and his longest run has been 6 games, 2 of which were upfront on his own, in an abysmal Charlton side. He will always get goals. As for attitude, he's reportedly the dressing room joker and unlikely to be unpopular with anyone but Parky.
Interestingly, Roy Keane has indicated that he is likely to recall Kevin Lisbie from his loan in January, having initially shunned him because of his wish to remain London based. Perhaps PP can have a change of heart if Dicko continues to bang them in while our own strikers misfire.
"the dressing room joker", scores goals, came late from local Non League football and therefore didn't suffer the indoctrination that comes from going from being in the "system" at a Club from a kid - all makes him "different". Some Managers buy that and work with it whilst others shun it as they perceive it to undermine their authority.
Steve Coppell "bought" it with Ian Wright (the similarities between the players on and off the pitch are there for all to see albeit that Wrighty did it in the top flight) and the rest, as they say, is history.
Sorry AA but this did make me laugh. Ian Wright and Chris Dickson similar ?
I think you're being a touch flattering to Dicko.
I expect they laughed at Ian Wright a dozen games after he signed from Greenwich Borough too.
As I say it's all relative to the League they are playing in and 11 in 15 starts in this Dvision is as good as it gets.
[cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]Ok I bet you Dickson doesn't break the all time goalscoring record for one of the top 4 Prem teams and scores 9 times for England. How much ?
I don't actually recall ever saying that he would ever hit those heady heights. All I said was that Dickson's scoring record in THIS Division compares with most.
As for your offer of a bet I thank you kindly. You would, however, have to prove that you had enough to cover my £1 at a million to one before I would be interested.
Any bet is all about value (I should know given that gambling is what I do for a living) and your offer of even money, therefore, leaves me slightly underwhelmed.
[cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]Ok I bet you Dickson doesn't break the all time goalscoring record for one of the top 4 Prem teams and scores 9 times for England. How much ?
I don't actually recall ever saying that he would ever hit those heady heights. All I said was that Dickson's scoring record in THIS Division compares with most.
As for your offer of a bet I thank you kindly. You would, however, have to prove that you had enough to cover my £1 at a million to one before I would be interested.
Any bet is all about value (I should know given that gambling is what I do for a living) and your offer of even money, therefore, leaves me slightly underwhelmed.
Would be interesting to hear from some Bristol Rovers fans as to how he is doing and what he brings to the side.
We know he has scored 4 times as well as missed a few but has also been subbed off a few times.
Meanwhile Rovers have lost four in a row and dropped down the league since his arrival
That could be coincidence or despite Dickson or it could be partially due to Dickson not doing the off the ball and defensive work that the likes of Mark Kinsella said was a weaknesses in his game.
Well you asked Henry, i'm only posting ones that suit my argument though. ;-)
"I'm not too bothered about the teams performance tonight as Leeds were exceptional and i believe Trolls can turn things around however i am worried about the persistence of playing Chris Dickson up top. Dickson is possibly the laziest striker i have ever seen, he doesn't do any defending from the front which puts pressure on our midfield and defence and doesn't go looking for the ball he stands in one spot looking for a through ball like a sunday league player. The Leeds defenders were having the time of their life when they were given the space to pick out 30 yard passes in their own free time, the strikers should be chasing the ball down putting them under pressure forcing them to make a mistake. Strikers should be gambling on every ball and keeping the pressure up the in the oppositions half not walking around and occasionally showing a bit of effort when he is forced to receive the ball. Someone needs to give him a video of Wayne Rooney as his work rate is phenominal.
I think this also brings out the worst in Joe Kuffour as he seems to be showing signs of laziness as he doesn't want to the do the defensive work of two strikers. At least when Duffy plays he runs himself into the ground (sometimes) and works along side his strike partner. I certainly hope we do not sign Dickson in January as i'm starting to see why Charlton are not that bothered by him or i hope he proves me wrong."
and
"If Chris Dickson is the new JasonN Roberts, then I'm the new Devon White!
Unfortunately, his control and distribution are woeful and his effort severly lacking. Maybe, if he had a big man alongside him, we would see the best of him"
and
"He may be a good finisher but he certainly is not a good center forward cant trap a ball continully losses procession cant head a ball and is very weak for a big bloke as soon as a defender gives him a bit of a push he dosn't battle back instead just moans.
Not what we need"
And to add a bit of equilibrium to the discussion:
"Exactly. If he is so s**t, why is he our second top scorer and has only been here a few weeks? We DEFINATELY MUST ABSOLUTELY get rid of Kuffour, Duffy, Williams and any other attacking threat then because he is better than all of them??? You are all fickle and have s**t memories. When he scored two against Brentford, he was amazing, the best signing Trolls has ever made, suddenly after one poor game where he doesn’t score, or doesn’t look like scoring and he is s**t. NO WONDER WE ARE s**t, OR FANS ARE ****ING IDIOTS! NO ONE WANTS TO COME TO A CLUB WHERE EVERYONE HATES THE PLAYERS. I really think you should all go to Ashton and enjoy Championship football! They find it more acceptable to throw abuse at their own players so you can hit two heads with one stone!"
It seems that Dicko polarizes opinion wherever he goes and I suppose the end justifies the means i.e. if he gets 20 to 25 goals a season he's worth his place but if he doesn't he's not.
We used to have a striker who couldn't head or trap a ball and relied on others to do the donkey work. Luton got rid of him for nothing for that very reason. Every season he would get us 20 to 30 goals though.
As far as I can see we don't currently have someone who can do that. In fact, in the same time as Dicko's scored 4 and made one we, as a team, have managed to score just five i.e. the same number as he's scored or created.
Finally, Beckford I am assured is guilty of going missing in games which is why top flight Clubs are reluctant to dip their toes in the water with him. Leeds fans are happy enough to forgive his faults, though, given that he's scored 57 goals in 86 starts for them.
I see what you're saying Addick Addict, but I'm not sure a post written like the one you've quoted adds equilibrium, given that if someone wrote like that on this forum everyone would ignore it.
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]I see what you're saying Addick Addict, but I'm not sure a post written like the one you've quoted adds equilibrium, given that if someone wrote like that on this forum everyone would ignore it.
The second part of the posting hopefully was slightly more eloquent though!
What Ithink the Rovers fans comments show, even those defending him, is that he doesn't do the work up front closing players down etc which was exactly what many Charlton fans and the Charlton management complained of.
So that is no just Parky not liking him or his personality but a real football issue highlighted by others with no connection to CAFC.
The question, and this is what the whole Dickson debate boils down to, does Dickson's goal threat outweigh his proven lack of team play?
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]The question, and this is what the whole Dickson debate boils down to, does Dickson's goal threat outweigh his proven lack of team play?
Parky says no.
And as he's the manager that pretty much ends the conversation!
Whether he is right or not we will only know at the end of the season.
I know there is always an exception that proves the rule or fish that slips the net but one cannot help but wonder why a prolific goalscorer, given that they are like goldust, was playing for (no disrespect intended0 an indifferent Ryman League club in his early 20s and by all accounts spent time without a club at all prior to that.
Perhaps it comes down to the fact that some teams will take a calculated gamble on effectively playing every game with 10 men in the hope that any goals contributed outweigh that handicap.
Given that thought is the Charlton team strong enough to play with 10 men every match?
If you answer "no" then there is your explanationfor why Dickson isn't selected.
[cite]Posted By: Red_Pete[/cite]My mate Brian regularly watches Bristol Rovers and his one word description of Chris Dickson is "woeful". Make of that what you will.
[cite]Posted By: Red_Pete[/cite]My mate Brian regularly watches Bristol Rovers and his one word description of Chris Dickson is "woeful". Make of that what you will.
But he has scored 4 goals.
And made one.
"Posted Today, 11:25 AM
:banghead: :banghead:.
He's been here how long?
On saturday he created a couple of chanes out of nothing, again last night in the first half he was running at defenders having them on the back foot.
Why the hell should he chase balls which are 30 yards too long? I know i wouldn't.
Lambert didn't chase down defenders but he wasn't classed as lazay.
Dickson will always score goals at this level, 4 in 6 is good for any player. Trolls bough thim to score goals, which is what he is doing so surely everythings fine?
Like C-Ball said everyone wasn't moaning he was lazy when he scored 2 at Brentford or at Southampton or saturday. "
[cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]One interesting point in this thread is that keane now intends to take lisbie back, that must be good for us as colchester are limited without him.
Assuming Keane still has a job in January that is!
He did well though, letting Lisbie go on loan and selling Rhodes to Huddersfield for peanuts.
[cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]One interesting point in this thread is that keane now intends to take lisbie back, that must be good for us as colchester are limited without him.
Assuming Keane still has a job in January that is!
He did well though, letting Lisbie go on loan and selling Rhodes to Huddersfield for peanuts.
Chap I work with couldn't believe Keane was happy to let the kid (19) go when he was one of their most promising prospects. Scored 12 in 14 starts this season and whilst I hope it's not the case (for obvious reasons) Ipswich could end up swapping places with Huddersfield.
Overall the Rovers fans are saying Dickson is lazy, doesn't close down, doesn't make any runs, can't control the ball and can't head. but he scores goals.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]Overall the Rovers fans are saying Dickson is lazy, doesn't close down, doesn't make any runs, can't control the ball and can't head. but he scores goals.
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Parkinson will have his reasons for letting Dickson go on loan, if it comes back to haunt him so be it but at the moment he's doing a good job and has earned the benefit of the doubt imo.
To a point, I agree. I didn't have a problem with him going but I question the wisdom of letting him go to a potential promotion rival.
Having said that, I can't see how we could call him back now. If (and it's a big if because no-one knows what happened) sending him on loan was to do with his attitude and it's effect on team spirit, how is bringing him back just to play the odd reserve game going to improve the situation?
A disgruntled player is the last thing we want.
Sorry AA but this did make me laugh. Ian Wright and Chris Dickson similar ?
I think you're being a touch flattering to Dicko.
I expect they laughed at Ian Wright a dozen games after he signed from Greenwich Borough too.
As I say it's all relative to the League they are playing in and 11 in 15 starts in this Dvision is as good as it gets.
I don't actually recall ever saying that he would ever hit those heady heights. All I said was that Dickson's scoring record in THIS Division compares with most.
As for your offer of a bet I thank you kindly. You would, however, have to prove that you had enough to cover my £1 at a million to one before I would be interested.
Any bet is all about value (I should know given that gambling is what I do for a living) and your offer of even money, therefore, leaves me slightly underwhelmed.
What about 2-1 then :-)
We know he has scored 4 times as well as missed a few but has also been subbed off a few times.
Meanwhile Rovers have lost four in a row and dropped down the league since his arrival
That could be coincidence or despite Dickson or it could be partially due to Dickson not doing the off the ball and defensive work that the likes of Mark Kinsella said was a weaknesses in his game.
"I'm not too bothered about the teams performance tonight as Leeds were exceptional and i believe Trolls can turn things around however i am worried about the persistence of playing Chris Dickson up top. Dickson is possibly the laziest striker i have ever seen, he doesn't do any defending from the front which puts pressure on our midfield and defence and doesn't go looking for the ball he stands in one spot looking for a through ball like a sunday league player. The Leeds defenders were having the time of their life when they were given the space to pick out 30 yard passes in their own free time, the strikers should be chasing the ball down putting them under pressure forcing them to make a mistake. Strikers should be gambling on every ball and keeping the pressure up the in the oppositions half not walking around and occasionally showing a bit of effort when he is forced to receive the ball. Someone needs to give him a video of Wayne Rooney as his work rate is phenominal.
I think this also brings out the worst in Joe Kuffour as he seems to be showing signs of laziness as he doesn't want to the do the defensive work of two strikers. At least when Duffy plays he runs himself into the ground (sometimes) and works along side his strike partner. I certainly hope we do not sign Dickson in January as i'm starting to see why Charlton are not that bothered by him or i hope he proves me wrong."
and
"If Chris Dickson is the new JasonN Roberts, then I'm the new Devon White!
Unfortunately, his control and distribution are woeful and his effort severly lacking. Maybe, if he had a big man alongside him, we would see the best of him"
and
"He may be a good finisher but he certainly is not a good center forward cant trap a ball continully losses procession cant head a ball and is very weak for a big bloke as soon as a defender gives him a bit of a push he dosn't battle back instead just moans.
Not what we need"
BTW sorry didn't get to chat Saturday
http://www.brfcforum.co.uk/index.php
http://www.brfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=87087
"Exactly. If he is so s**t, why is he our second top scorer and has only been here a few weeks? We DEFINATELY MUST ABSOLUTELY get rid of Kuffour, Duffy, Williams and any other attacking threat then because he is better than all of them??? You are all fickle and have s**t memories. When he scored two against Brentford, he was amazing, the best signing Trolls has ever made, suddenly after one poor game where he doesn’t score, or doesn’t look like scoring and he is s**t. NO WONDER WE ARE s**t, OR FANS ARE ****ING IDIOTS! NO ONE WANTS TO COME TO A CLUB WHERE EVERYONE HATES THE PLAYERS. I really think you should all go to Ashton and enjoy Championship football! They find it more acceptable to throw abuse at their own players so you can hit two heads with one stone!"
It seems that Dicko polarizes opinion wherever he goes and I suppose the end justifies the means i.e. if he gets 20 to 25 goals a season he's worth his place but if he doesn't he's not.
We used to have a striker who couldn't head or trap a ball and relied on others to do the donkey work. Luton got rid of him for nothing for that very reason. Every season he would get us 20 to 30 goals though.
As far as I can see we don't currently have someone who can do that. In fact, in the same time as Dicko's scored 4 and made one we, as a team, have managed to score just five i.e. the same number as he's scored or created.
Finally, Beckford I am assured is guilty of going missing in games which is why top flight Clubs are reluctant to dip their toes in the water with him. Leeds fans are happy enough to forgive his faults, though, given that he's scored 57 goals in 86 starts for them.
The second part of the posting hopefully was slightly more eloquent though!
So that is no just Parky not liking him or his personality but a real football issue highlighted by others with no connection to CAFC.
The question, and this is what the whole Dickson debate boils down to, does Dickson's goal threat outweigh his proven lack of team play?
Parky says no.
And as he's the manager that pretty much ends the conversation!
Whether he is right or not we will only know at the end of the season.
Perhaps it comes down to the fact that some teams will take a calculated gamble on effectively playing every game with 10 men in the hope that any goals contributed outweigh that handicap.
Given that thought is the Charlton team strong enough to play with 10 men every match?
If you answer "no" then there is your explanationfor why Dickson isn't selected.
But he has scored 4 goals.
And made one.
"Posted Today, 11:25 AM
:banghead: :banghead:.
He's been here how long?
On saturday he created a couple of chanes out of nothing, again last night in the first half he was running at defenders having them on the back foot.
Why the hell should he chase balls which are 30 yards too long? I know i wouldn't.
Lambert didn't chase down defenders but he wasn't classed as lazay.
Dickson will always score goals at this level, 4 in 6 is good for any player. Trolls bough thim to score goals, which is what he is doing so surely everythings fine?
Like C-Ball said everyone wasn't moaning he was lazy when he scored 2 at Brentford or at Southampton or saturday. "
Assuming Keane still has a job in January that is!
He did well though, letting Lisbie go on loan and selling Rhodes to Huddersfield for peanuts.
Chap I work with couldn't believe Keane was happy to let the kid (19) go when he was one of their most promising prospects. Scored 12 in 14 starts this season and whilst I hope it's not the case (for obvious reasons) Ipswich could end up swapping places with Huddersfield.
Same as our views then.
Sounds like Mcleod, except for the goals!