He learned (well he said it in the Press conference) that some of the kids aren't quite ready, that some need more work on, and they have a problem with one of the players.
I wish I could be surprised that this thread is now 126 post long, but I can't be, the traffic on this board must shoot through the roof everytime we lose, with the same old "Pardew this, Pardew that, we're rubbish, and I told you so" type posts.
Two games into the season, where we've won the most important one already, about to sign a decent ball winning midfielder, hopefully get the cover in, and about to shift Faye.
But hey, a team missing it's spine lost 1-0 despite dominating, and it's a crisis already
I'm not saying it's a crisis, Rothko, and the only reason I didn't post straight after Saturday was that I had to fly back from London at 7am on Sunday morning and go straight to the Mull of Kintyre to deal with a flood at our house there, so I didn't get back online till yesterday, by which time the threads about Sat were sinking.
I agree with everyone who is saying the game last night didn't really matter, and I am more than prepared to laugh off the result.
What bothers me though is when I hear comments from Pards post match when he first of all admits that he maybe got the selection wrong (fair enough) but then publically slates the players and suggests an individual has problems - that is business between him and the squad and not something that should be played out in front of the media and supporters. He did that several times last season too, and for me it is one of the easiest ways to destroy team spirit. These youngsters need encouragement and strong behind the scenes management: his comments are as way off the mark as booing them IMHO.
I've been hoping against hope that it would all go right this season, and of course there is still plenty of time for it to do so. After Sat I thought we showed positive signs of being a 'big team' ie not play particularly well but win it with a couple of clinical goals. Now I feel perturbed that many of last seasons issues are already raising their head again - not so much in last night's performance, but more in how the management are reacting to it.
For me Pardew still hasn't learned from last year about consistency of selection.
Why bother bringing in Dickson and Fleetwood if you aren't going to give them 90 minutes against Yeovil.
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These statements are a bit contradictory - we want consistency of selection, yet we want to give some of the non-core players/those like Holland who are returning from injury a run-out in a junior competition, and of course we want to give Bouazza who barely knows his team-mates names, let alone their games a chance to gret match fit. I wonder how much he played for Fulham in their pre-season?
Pards is going to be judged on how well we do in the league not the league cup, even if we were to win the latter if we fade out of contention in the league he'll be out of a job and our sojorn in the Championship might start to take on an air of permanency. So I'm happyish with the XI he put out last night, although I'd have played Bouazza on the wing and Dickson with Varney from the start. As for starting Shelvey and resting Racon, I'm guessing that is because he wants the latter to start vs Watford and will rest Shelvey for that match, although we'll have to wait and see what his thinking is on that, while Hudson who was "doubtful" for Swansea was presumably rested to give his injury a chance to clear up. If we'd taken one or two of the decent chances we allegedly had then we'd have won, we didn't and let's move-on, Saturday and the league is of far more importance.
Weegie: "What bothers me though is when I hear comments from Pards post match when he first of all admits that he maybe got the selection wrong (fair enough) but then publically slates the players and suggests an individual has problems."
But if he defends the players, he'd be slated for it.
Inspector Sands: "But if he defends the players, he'd be slated for it."
I'm not sure I understand your point, Inspector?
I wouldn't slate him if he'd said it was a young team and they tried, but it didn't go for them, and that he's learnt a few things that he'll work on with them, or something to that effect. It's the way he first of all took responsibility for the team selection, but then still seemed to have to find a scapegoat.
Henry dont be sorry everyone as opinoins. I just dont know what constitutes having a good game. I cant remember many passes not reaching the required target. If the ball gets lost after that he cant be to blame. Every corner he took had them under pressure but surely he cant be expeted to run in and head it too. He also it the post with a free kick. He passed the ball to the forwards whenever they made themselves available and sideways when they never. When he never had the ball he was always calling for it but not always getting it. I thought he was very quiet saturday and i know why. But credit where its due i thought he played very well. To get the sponsors MoM when your on the losing team is not always that easy. Just my thoughts i know but like i said we are all entitled to them.
I wasn't at the game so have no real comment on the performance. Maybe we deserved to lose maybe not.
What I do think is wrong is the apathy that is being shown to the competition by quite a few on here to the point where it seems acceptable that we went out.
I accept that the league is our bread and butter but at a time when we are struggling for a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, surely progressing to the stage where a decent draw would bring in a few quid to the club should have been a priority.
If only for financial reasons, I don't think that it is acceptable to lose to a side 2 divisions below us. I trust Mr Murry is making Pards fully aware of that.
Up till Yeovil scoring I thought we looked all right. Had all the chances and all the play. Once we conceded the confidence seemed to go and we had a lack of ideas in breaking them down.
Plus Points were Youga, Shelvey
Negative Points were Wagstaff (big fan of his in the youth cup run but looks out of his depth at this level at this time) and Bouazza.
We have seen us go out countless times now in the League Cup to lower league opposition so no issue there, but we need a good performance Saturday (not necessarily the points) to ensure tonight does not become an issue. After all the worst performance in 97/98 was against Ipswich at this stage of the season in the league cup and that season turned out all right.
Ofcourse fans have the right to boo, but it is counter productive and to do it at half time is daft if they expect the players to come out second half motivated. I don't boo, but if I were then the only time I would boo at half time would be when the players were lazy and could not be bothered, that was not the case last night.
My problem is that people will boo everytime we lose or are behind at half time, no matter the performance, if we're 2-1 down at half time in a close tight game is that worth a boo? losing 3-2 in the last minute in a ding dong game worth a boo?
I'll save my abuse for the truly shit performances like Liverpool in the relegation season.
I don't think we should say it didn't matter losing last night or we won the game that counts because wins breeds confidence and by the sounds of things we have alot of players with fragile confidence. Looking at the team last night, we lack big characters, leaders even experience I know Hudson had night off and I dont see Holland as a leader either, honest and hard working but we need someone to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and pull the team through. We shouldn't get to down but definately feel we are going to be up and down all season but thats Charlton. Hopefully Bailey will prove to be the hard man we need becuse I feel on a wet Tuesday night in Plymouth we will get out battled, we need to toughen up!!
Loving the season being under way though
By the way I boo all the time, I admit it. When we play shocking and lets be honest it happens often I feel we have the right to boo them off. It should work as a kick up the backside at half time. Not going to cheer them off, I spend my hard earned cash to watch some dire performances
It doesn't work as a kick up the backside though does it? It just makes anxious players desperate.
People may say they've paid their money, so they'll boo if they want to. But it never turns a losing side into a winning one, does it?I
It does nothing for the spirit of the team, and it does nothing for the atmosphere in the ground. And it does nothing to help the team fight back, and it does nothing to help us get the result we all want.
It does nothing but help our opponenents get a result.
I don't see it that way. I'm talking about booing at half time whistle not during game, I don't do that. Basically hearing booing at half time just our way of telling them of our displeasure from there performance and to sort it out. I mean I'd only boo if we lacked commitment etc which we have so many times and not if we just losing. When they return after half time they always get a cheer from the crowd and hopefully an improved performance. I can't help it its our only way of showing our fraustrations and know some think its wrong but hey.....
Holy shit, Off_it has hit the nail bang on the head.
We get a good result against last seasons champions from the division below, keep a clean sheet and an awful lot less is said than when we stick out a second string XI against a fired up Yeovil who scored with their only real chance of the game.
I'm not buying all this bollocks of 'I paid my money I'm entitled to have a go.'
Me and Paul saw and heard a lot more bile than we did encouragement, simple as. I genuinely cannot get my head around why someone would take time out of their day/life to attend something that fucks them off that much. Seriously. The guy to our right was on the players cases from what.... 25 minutes in? Sorry but why bother wasting your time and money and aggravating yourself like that?
Whoever knows me I'd guess would testify that I am not a happy clappy hippy at all but I just think that a good chunk of our support need to have a real think about why they bother going on match days as it seems to serve only to blow their annoyance valves.
I normally quite enjoy the rantings of some people during the game its part of the match day experience, but one bloke spent the entire game slaggging Pardew or Thomas off but not one word of encouragement ALL game, that I'm afraid is embarrassing. I did find it funny when he said 'Give the ball to Thomas he's Premiership Quality' the first time, the next seven or eight not so much. Not gonna comment on the game as we played our normal what I call Carling Cup Tempo which is asking for trouble against lower league opposition.
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I wish I could be surprised that this thread is now 126 post long, but I can't be, the traffic on this board must shoot through the roof everytime we lose, with the same old "Pardew this, Pardew that, we're rubbish, and I told you so" type posts.
Two games into the season, where we've won the most important one already, about to sign a decent ball winning midfielder, hopefully get the cover in, and about to shift Faye.
But hey, a team missing it's spine lost 1-0 despite dominating, and it's a crisis already
I agree with everyone who is saying the game last night didn't really matter, and I am more than prepared to laugh off the result.
What bothers me though is when I hear comments from Pards post match when he first of all admits that he maybe got the selection wrong (fair enough) but then publically slates the players and suggests an individual has problems - that is business between him and the squad and not something that should be played out in front of the media and supporters. He did that several times last season too, and for me it is one of the easiest ways to destroy team spirit. These youngsters need encouragement and strong behind the scenes management: his comments are as way off the mark as booing them IMHO.
I've been hoping against hope that it would all go right this season, and of course there is still plenty of time for it to do so. After Sat I thought we showed positive signs of being a 'big team' ie not play particularly well but win it with a couple of clinical goals. Now I feel perturbed that many of last seasons issues are already raising their head again - not so much in last night's performance, but more in how the management are reacting to it.
..."I wish I could be surprised that this thread is now 126 post long,"....
How many are yours?:-)
If a certain player has a confidence / nerves problem, reading his manager spouting it out to the Current Bun the next day isn't going to help it !!
Why bother bringing in Dickson and Fleetwood if you aren't going to give them 90 minutes against Yeovil.
We still short of bodies *and* mainly the qualities required in every department.
"we do have a full season from gray and hopefully contributions from dickson, fleetwood and todorov. hopefully between them we can get 35-40 goals"
No chance. We don't have the player to supply the quality (unless Bouazza can do it).
I thought it would make sense to rest SIXTEEN year old Shelvey???
I'm glad we lost in one repsect as he'll be burnt out by December at this rate if Pardew insists on playing him in a nothing game like Yeovil.
Great reading though, so fantastically blinkered that it's good entertainment.
Keep taking the tablets!
Why bother bringing in Dickson and Fleetwood if you aren't going to give them 90 minutes against Yeovil.
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These statements are a bit contradictory - we want consistency of selection, yet we want to give some of the non-core players/those like Holland who are returning from injury a run-out in a junior competition, and of course we want to give Bouazza who barely knows his team-mates names, let alone their games a chance to gret match fit. I wonder how much he played for Fulham in their pre-season?
Pards is going to be judged on how well we do in the league not the league cup, even if we were to win the latter if we fade out of contention in the league he'll be out of a job and our sojorn in the Championship might start to take on an air of permanency. So I'm happyish with the XI he put out last night, although I'd have played Bouazza on the wing and Dickson with Varney from the start. As for starting Shelvey and resting Racon, I'm guessing that is because he wants the latter to start vs Watford and will rest Shelvey for that match, although we'll have to wait and see what his thinking is on that, while Hudson who was "doubtful" for Swansea was presumably rested to give his injury a chance to clear up. If we'd taken one or two of the decent chances we allegedly had then we'd have won, we didn't and let's move-on, Saturday and the league is of far more importance.
But if he defends the players, he'd be slated for it.
We have 2 strikers on the bench that are chomping at the bit and yet we play a guy out of position along side Varney.
I have no problem with trying any young player in a League Cup game vs Yeovil game
I'd rather see Fleetwood gain experience there.
Shelvey has had a full 1st team pre-season and played against Swansea. You'd think he would be the player, if any, to rest.
He's 16 years old.
If he wants 20+ games out of JJ it seems logical??
I'm not sure I understand your point, Inspector?
I wouldn't slate him if he'd said it was a young team and they tried, but it didn't go for them, and that he's learnt a few things that he'll work on with them, or something to that effect. It's the way he first of all took responsibility for the team selection, but then still seemed to have to find a scapegoat.
What I do think is wrong is the apathy that is being shown to the competition by quite a few on here to the point where it seems acceptable that we went out.
I accept that the league is our bread and butter but at a time when we are struggling for a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, surely progressing to the stage where a decent draw would bring in a few quid to the club should have been a priority.
If only for financial reasons, I don't think that it is acceptable to lose to a side 2 divisions below us. I trust Mr Murry is making Pards fully aware of that.
Agree totally.
I can see the reasons for prioritising the league over either cup but it's still not acceptable to go out the way we did.
The result was disappointing but i feel we won the game that we badly needed to win.
Plus Points were Youga, Shelvey
Negative Points were Wagstaff (big fan of his in the youth cup run but looks out of his depth at this level at this time) and Bouazza.
We have seen us go out countless times now in the League Cup to lower league opposition so no issue there, but we need a good performance Saturday (not necessarily the points) to ensure tonight does not become an issue. After all the worst performance in 97/98 was against Ipswich at this stage of the season in the league cup and that season turned out all right.
Regardless of how effective it is the fans have the right to let the playes know how they feel after 90 minutes.
I'll save my abuse for the truly shit performances like Liverpool in the relegation season.
and i know it has been said on here that it was not loud but how come teletext and radio havent stopped mentioning it
Loving the season being under way though
By the way I boo all the time, I admit it. When we play shocking and lets be honest it happens often I feel we have the right to boo them off. It should work as a kick up the backside at half time. Not going to cheer them off, I spend my hard earned cash to watch some dire performances
It just makes anxious players desperate.
People may say they've paid their money, so they'll boo if they want to.
But it never turns a losing side into a winning one, does it?I
It does nothing for the spirit of the team, and it does nothing for the atmosphere in the ground.
And it does nothing to help the team fight back, and it does nothing to help us get the result we all want.
It does nothing but help our opponenents get a result.
We get a good result against last seasons champions from the division below, keep a clean sheet and an awful lot less is said than when we stick out a second string XI against a fired up Yeovil who scored with their only real chance of the game.
I'm not buying all this bollocks of 'I paid my money I'm entitled to have a go.'
Me and Paul saw and heard a lot more bile than we did encouragement, simple as. I genuinely cannot get my head around why someone would take time out of their day/life to attend something that fucks them off that much. Seriously. The guy to our right was on the players cases from what.... 25 minutes in? Sorry but why bother wasting your time and money and aggravating yourself like that?
Whoever knows me I'd guess would testify that I am not a happy clappy hippy at all but I just think that a good chunk of our support need to have a real think about why they bother going on match days as it seems to serve only to blow their annoyance valves.