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Palace in Financial Trouble

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  • bingaddick
    bingaddick Posts: 8,184
    Come on Addickted you can tell us we won't let on!
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    Come on Guys, it's pretty obvious what Addickted is hinting at.

    Just think about it for a bit.
  • Ground share to reduce costs
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,270
    edited January 2010
    Why would we want them groundsharing if they haven't paid the rent for 12 months?

    Although we could take all their better players instead.
  • bingaddick
    bingaddick Posts: 8,184
    Yes obvious but I wondered if it was too obvious. Would it stick in my throat? No I'd laugh a lot!
  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Come on Guys, it's pretty obvious what Addickted is hinting at.

    Just think about it for a bit.

    I've thought and I don't get it.
    Please give us dunces a clue!
  • [cite]Posted By: Six-a-bag-of-nuts[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Come on Guys, it's pretty obvious what Addickted is hinting at.

    Just think about it for a bit.

    I've thought and I don't get it.
    Please give us dunces a clue!

    Ground sharing...
  • Just whispered Addickted...not good news.
  • Jordan enterts into a CVA after Palace are placed into administration, they take a 10 point hit and Gold picks them up for next to nowt without picking up any outstanding debt.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 27,152
    [cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]Why would we want them groundsharing if they haven't paid the rent for 12 months?
    Month's rent in advance plus one month's deposit (to allow for their fans or board members causing damage to the place). Failure to lodge sufficient funds in the relevant bank account by 00:01 on the first of each month (or 5pm on the previous working day if the first falls on a weekend or a bank holiday) would be deemed breach of contract. Such a breach would mean they would forfeit the right to use the facilities until 4 working days after the funds were eventually received. The risk of points deductions for failure to fulfil fixtures due to non-payment of rent might help focus Tangoman's mind a little.

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  • BDL
    BDL Posts: 6,028
    One thing about all this. A lot has been made about Gold/Sullivan going for the Spammers, maybe us as we both have decent facilities in place. So yes they may pick up the club for peanuts, but they won't own the stadium (which will cost a few Million if they want to buy it) and it needs a fortune spent on it to bring it up to "21st Century" conditions.
  • Rudders22
    Rudders22 Posts: 3,909
    but then BDL how much will it cost to negotiate the lease AND if they get thep up (2 points of play offs) they get about £30 mill in top flight is that right??). Shame we are not in Championship !!
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 27,152
    But if they go into admin that turns into 12 points.
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,128
    I don't believe they will groundshare

    If thats what Addickted was hinting at...
  • Rudders22
    Rudders22 Posts: 3,909
    maybe he is hinting that gold and sullivan get them for peanuts !!
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    [cite]Posted By: BDL[/cite]One thing about all this. A lot has been made about Gold/Sullivan going for the Spammers, maybe us as we both have decent facilities in place. So yes they may pick up the club for peanuts, but they won't own the stadium (which will cost a few Million if they want to buy it) and it needs a fortune spent on it to bring it up to "21st Century" conditions.

    Don't forget the new lease Jordan negotiated when he 'bought' the Club is a full repairing one.

    Both internal and external decorations due in the summer and the Holmesdale end is slowly sinking resembling a Somme trench under the lower tier. The away ends at Brighton and Gillingham are more stable.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    [cite]Posted By: BDL[/cite]One thing about all this. A lot has been made about Gold/Sullivan going for the Spammers, maybe us as we both have decent facilities in place. So yes they may pick up the club for peanuts, but they won't own the stadium (which will cost a few Million if they want to buy it) and it needs a fortune spent on it to bring it up to "21st Century" conditions.

    Murray said at the AGM that is cost £37m to build the Valley but estimated that at today's prices it would cost twice that.

    So if it would cost £72m to build a Stadium like ours how much to bring Selhurst in the 20th century let alone the 21st?

    And that's after buying it.
  • ken from bexley
    ken from bexley Posts: 5,128
    edited January 2010
    I was speaking to a palace fan at work yesterday, who like one or two on here like to think they have the 'ear' of the club...... the fact was he had little idea how they were going to get out of this mess!

    As others have posted Jordan seems to have ' underwritten' some of the debt and therefore does not want to seek administration on a personall level. My contact feared a sell of of players, and like myself a 'half empty person' in outlook/mentality was frankly
    'scarred about the future'. Going for a drink with him next week, feel sorry as you can for a fellow football supporter, he did not seem to positive about things.

    Personally speaking I am only really concerned about Charlton, the plight of clubs as regretful as they may be for the good of the league etc is beyond most fans capacity to do anything about, even if you feel you are able to!

    Although I am not happy about our position, and where we find ourselves , thank god we are not in there position..........
  • Seems SJ has reached a financial agreement with Agilo regarding owed monies which should provide breathing space.
  • Steve Dowman
    Steve Dowman Posts: 2,406
    That means at least one of their players is on their way elsewhere, it is the only chance they have of raising any capital.

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  • [cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]That means at least one of their players is on their way elsewhere, it is the only chance they have of raising any capital.


    Unless you've been hiding in the Afghan mountains for the past month or so, i'd have thought it fairly obvious that Victor Moses is on his way. Warnock's been touting him here there and everywhere after every Palace game.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Whilst I would like a good laugh at Palace and a bit of extra money coming in by way of rent I would not want to see anybody ground share with us due to the fact a game every week on the valley pitch would cut it up no end with little time for repair.

    We would have little choice but to play long ball so as to avoid the rutted midfield which I do not want to see.
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,117
    Warnock said on SSN on Sunday that he expected somebody to leave this week
  • SE10Addick
    SE10Addick Posts: 2,973
    Warnock himself might be leaving - Sheffield Wednesday are rumoured to be after him!
  • [cite]Posted By: SE10Addick[/cite]Warnock himself might be leaving - Sheffield Wednesday are rumoured to be after him!


    After 8 years at Sheffield Utd, i can't see that going down too well with the Wednesday fans.
  • bingaddick
    bingaddick Posts: 8,184
    edited January 2010
    Warnock said today on Talksh*ite that there are a couple of interested parties but nothing concrete yet in terms of investors/new owners. If they don't come in they will need to sell a couple of players. There has been one unacceptable offer for Moses.

    The deal with their main creditor is just an agreement to buy time. Jordan will no doubt have convinced them that he has interested purchasers in negotiation and/or buyers lined up for players and it would not be in the creditors interest to pull the plug. It still leaves them in a perilous state with no significant assets other than the players.

    The general problem here in my view is the penalties for administration are not great enough and this leads to poor financial management. What is most likely to happen is that the club goes into administration, takes its ten point hit, and comes out with a CVA. In Palaces case they may avoid relegation this season and end up debt free and the chance for a third "Goldberg" figure to come in and bankrupt the club again. In my view administration should mean relegation at least one Division.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,569
    [cite]Posted By: eaststandmike[/cite]Whilst I would like a good laugh at Palace and a bit of extra money coming in by way of rent I would not want to see anybody ground share with us due to the fact a game every week on the valley pitch would cut it up no end with little time for repair.

    We would have little choice but to play long ball so as to avoid the rutted midfield which I do not want to see.

    Do we know that for sure....it wasn't so long ago that we played reserve games at The Valley as well as the odd Juniors game thrown in.
    More work for Paddy and the groundstaff of course but quite do-able.
  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,818
    edited January 2010
    [cite]Posted By: bingaddick[/cite]Warnock said today on Talksh*ite that there are a couple of interested parties but nothing concrete yet in terms of investors/new owners. If they don't come in they will need to sell a couple of players. There has been one unacceptable offer for Moses.

    The deal with their main creditor is just an agreement to buy time. Jordan will no doubt have convinced them that he has interested purchasers in negotiation and/or buyers lined up for players and it would not be in the creditors interest to pull the plug. It still leaves them in a perilous state with no significant assets other than the players.

    The general problem here in my view is the penalties for administration are not great enough and this leads to poor financial management. What is most likely to happen is that the club goes into administration, takes its ten point hit, and comes out with a CVA. In Palaces case they may avoid relegation this season and end up debt free and the chance for a third "Goldberg" figure to come in and bankrupt the club again. In my view administration should mean relegation at least one Division.

    Bang on, Oggy. It should mean relegation to League Two, that would stop some CCC clubs getting into such a mess with their finances.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    [cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: eaststandmike[/cite]Whilst I would like a good laugh at Palace and a bit of extra money coming in by way of rent I would not want to see anybody ground share with us due to the fact a game every week on the valley pitch would cut it up no end with little time for repair.

    We would have little choice but to play long ball so as to avoid the rutted midfield which I do not want to see.

    Do we know that for sure....it wasn't so long ago that we played reserve games at The Valley as well as the odd Juniors game thrown in.
    More work for Paddy and the groundstaff of course but quite do-able.

    Did we play long ball at Selhurst and Upton Park?

    Do Inter and Milan play long ball.

    Yes, the pitch would have to have extra care and attention but Palace's rent could pay for some undersoil heating ; - )
  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    Did we play long ball at Selhurst and Upton Park?

    Do Inter and Milan play long ball.

    Yes, the pitch would have to have extra care and attention but Palace's rent could pay for some undersoil heating ; - )

    Great idea and if they don't have enough funds we can take the pick of their best players ................... that Ambrose fella seems to be knocking them in on a regular basis :o)