Last week, against Leicester, our corners were very good. I midweek, they were dreadful (from JRC), today they were poor.
There are many calls for JRC, Alaofe, Kelman and Knibbs to start. Unfortunately none of those did themselves any favours against Cambridge and did little today when they came on. They need to earn their opportunity, not just get thrown in, especially when, up to today, the team has looked good.
Subs today were baffling and we do seem to lose all shape when chasing the game.
Nathan and the coaches have some work to do over the next couple of weeks but we're going to get ups and downs this season. Let's just hope there are more ups than downs!
Honking first 25 mins or so but really grew into it and we were well worth the equaliser.
Obviously in the Championship it can go either way but my mentality was about pushing for a winner not scared about conceding so that was a sucker punch.
Thought the non second yellow was a stinker of a decision, especially after the Edwards yellow which felt very similar only moments before.
Still early days and our best striker still hasn’t touched a ball yet this season.
I’m determined to stick with them all season and not get disheartened, I remember where we were in December.
So glad to be playing Champ football, it’s so much better.
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. We would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.
Can't wait for Godden to return. Such a class act, we need his nous, constant pressing and striker's instinct. Undeniably a poor Charlton performance but, for what it's worth, I think QPR will finish below us.
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. He would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.
It's funny isn't it, the opposition fans so far have consistently said that Campbell was our biggest threat and they were worried when he was on the ball but all a weird number of our fans do is screech at him. This happens sometimes to academy products in particular. Campbell's been accused of being both lazy and uninterested AND needing to be the centre of attention in another thread, it's just whatever people can think of to throw at him. Such odd behaviour.
The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. He would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.
4 games into our first championship season in 6 years and we are turning on a player who was a key reason for getting us here and who got an assist today. I won’t pretend he was a world beater today and he did make a mistake that was punished but the hate is just silly. He didn’t play on Tuesday and the attack was abysmal
We need a proper striker and another midfielder we give away goals and cannot score! it’s early days yes, and I think we will stay up in our first season back, if we take note of these issues. unfortunately we have suffered in the hands of wanker referees in three games 👎👎defe
Do we? Before today we'd conceded 1 goal in 3 games and it was an absolute screamer. Today wasn't great defensively but so far it was an anomaly
Respectfully you make a fair point. Let us hope after 10 games in you are right ?
We need a proper striker and another midfielder we give away goals and cannot score! it’s early days yes, and I think we will stay up in our first season back, if we take note of these issues. unfortunately we have suffered in the hands of wanker referees in three games 👎👎defe
Do we? Before today we'd conceded 1 goal in 3 games and it was an absolute screamer. Today wasn't great defensively but so far it was an anomaly
Respectfully you make a fair point. Let us hope after 10 games in you are right ?
2 goals from the type of player we don't have .. a midfielder running straight at the defence for many yards before passing into the net, and a striker who can get a shot on target
In general we were very poor today all over the pitch including our usually solid defence Let's hope this was an aberration and not the start of a total loss of form and confidence
I do think the biggest gap in our transfer window (other than a RWB cover) is that alternative to Campbell in that winger/striker positioning.
If Tanto is supposed to be that cover, he has barely played on the left-hand side last season. Think we'd have been better off getting another winger that likes to cut in instead so that Campbell could be benched if needed for a like-for-like replacement.
Some of the comments from the end of the match thread are brilliant. It really wasn’t dogshit or horrendous.
We lost 3-1 in the championship. The 3rd goal was as we pushed in the final stages - always a risk.
we clearly need some attention focussed on attacking threat but if Leaburn hits that under the bar in the first half it’s a different game.
We’ll lose a lot more this season, but we’ll win some as well.
Some balance and perspective will definitely help some cope with a Saturday afternoons football.
A few of our fans are getting a reality check and don’t like it. And the usual over reaction to every defeat swiftly follows.
If the players were naive today so have many of our fans been.
This is a tough, tough division and a large proportion of our squad are making the significant step up from League One for the first time.
We spent a bit of dosh but we are rebuilding a squad that just two seasons ago included many players that are now playing in League Two.
A bit of momentum and a surprise element got us through the the first few games. Now teams have seen what we’re about and can plan for it. Now the slog starts.
The team needs to learn lessons fast and sharpen up 10% in most areas. Jones will know what’s required and will be working tirelessly to get the players to the levels needed.
This side will battle away and won’t be out worked often but quality will be lacking at times, individual errors will happen, and we’re are going to lose plenty of matches.
That, really, should be fully expected. Doesn’t mean every defeat is a sign the sky is falling in or all our players are shit.
A few fans need a bit of a mindset shift because the team are going to need us behind them not on their backs.
Anything 21st or higher remains a successful season.
Kind of what I wanted to say but more diplomatically.
Didn't see the game & haven't seen much of Kelman this season (hardly surprising when NJ leaves him on the bench)so not having a dig at him but I do wonder as I did when we signed him, whether we should have gone out & spent as much as we could on an experienced quality striker proven at this level rather than someone totally unproven in the championship. We knew there would be a big step up in quality & games would be tight, we needed a striker we knew would do the business. Kelman or Leaburn may well go on & develop into decent goal scorers, problem is we need one now.
I think a few of this season's signings were bought with an eye on possible future sell on fees if they make the step up.
Whoopee Do.
So we get relegated & then sell players. Then start yet another rebuild.
Didn't see the game & haven't seen much of Kelman this season (hardly surprising when NJ leaves him on the bench)so not having a dig at him but I do wonder as I did when we signed him, whether we should have gone out & spent as much as we could on an experienced quality striker proven at this level rather than someone totally unproven in the championship. We knew there would be a big step up in quality & games would be tight, we needed a striker we knew would do the business. Kelman or Leaburn may well go on & develop into decent goal scorers, problem is we need one now.
I think a few of this season's signings were bought with an eye on possible future sell on fees if they make the step up.
Whoopee Do.
So we get relegated & then sell players. Then start yet another rebuild.
Cant wait 🙄
You genuinely are a bit of a knob aren't you fella
It makes Tuesday even odder knowing we had the international break after today. Players didn’t look sharp. We live and learn…
How many of our players are away on International duty ? I know TC got called up, anyone else ?
Asking because if I was the manager I would be training & using the players that are here over the next 2 weeks. Good time to drop TC. Maybe play a different system against Millwall.....but whatever, dont go into that game with players who have been away & not trained or practiced the tactics for this one.
It's funny. We got promoted because our defense were excellent and kept a lot of clean sheets.
So we change up the defense with new recruitment and largely keep the midfield and attack the same (in the starting line-up).
We don't have enough quality in the final third and, whilst that remains, we will struggle this year.
Listened but haven't seen the game. Did the forwards get enough quality ball ? Maybe its not their fult
I don’t blame our forwards as I think our real problem is the midfield ...
I don't know if our forwards are good enough or not. I do know it is unfair to judge them until we can field a competent midfield. Most teams can put together three or four passes in midfield before laying on a chance. We don't even try to do that. Just bang it forward hoping someone can get on the end of it. That worked in League One and, to some extent in our first three games this time round, but other clubs will soon get wise to it as QPR did today to nullify most clear chances for us.
Thats the point - Kelman needs service and support. He has had neither.
I say our lack of an offensive, attacking midfielder is a problem and Tyreece and Apter are limited. That was a bad defeat against a very bad team - that is the worry.
The owners will need to spend some serious money to keep us in this league, or get us back up if we get relegated
I doubt we will do anything against Millwall, so the season starts the week after that game.
I think we all new that the championship was a much tougher league than league one and so it's proving. We have pretty much a full squad to choose from and we've just been beat by a side that lost 7 1 last Saturday. We simply must be more clinical in our finishing than we currently have been. NJ has 5 strikers to choose from and he has to work out our best partnership up front. I'm not going to join in the pile on regarding Campbell as he's only 20 and still learning, but I believe he needs a spell on the bench and give others a chance to start. We will I'm sure learn from games like today and as long as we stay up that's fine by me.
Completely agree mate. I actually think TC could be a cracking impact sub and could be a brilliant way of getting some confidence and belief into him! Tanto deserves a chance in the same role.
Very disappointed by both the result and, to a decent extent, the performance. Getting hit for 7 last week was clearly a kick in the teeth that I thought would mean that we would take the game to them from minute one. However, it was QPR that took the game to us for much of the early stages and that first goal was way, way too easy. Not enough work done in the channel to prevent the cross, and under Kaminski's legs - not good enough and too easy on both counts. The second was something that I thought we had stopped doing - letting midfield players dribble at our defence and not getting tight - but ultimately, it was another moment of being punished by quality play. Third one is just a joke and a result of, as was correctly identified here, by subbing Coventry and losing what was left of any shape we had.
There are no singular solutions to our issues going forward. For some reason, we still default to attempting regularly hoofed diagonals to some of the smallest players in our team - be it any of our CBs or Coventry in a kind of quarterback pocket next to them. It makes me want to claw my eyes out when I see Apter or TC trying to contest the high ball in the channels, particularly when they are poor or slightly loose. We default to this SO MUCH and it just pains my soul. I didn't understand it when Kelman was in and even when Stockley-he-is-not Leaburn is the target, it still doesn't work. Docherty and Carey added very little, and Leaburn cut the same distanced figure that Kelman did. Our goal came directly from FINALLY feeding TC ball to feet in space, but our distribution that bypasses the midfield just reminds me so much of the pre-Crawley games last season.
I appreciate that he was better against Leicester, but tactically and strategically, my biggest source of ire is the inability for Docherty to impact the game at all when in possession of the ball. For all of his press without the ball, with him in the team, he just doesn't do enough with it. It feels like every pass is backward and he just cannot get his head up to make space or draw a tackle. He lacks the quality to drive with the ball, so it feels like he just wants to contest the second ball from a diagonal when we are going forward. For whatever reason (and this definitely feels NJ-driven), we don't want to pass through midfield and this is why we don't end up making and generating space for Apter/TC. As a result, almost every team just moves to double up on either wing and everyone knows we don't carry the ball from midfield. We are way, way, WAY too predictable going forward - it's the midfield that's the problem.
For Millwall, we need to make some changes. Docherty is the obvious one for me, and probably TC and Carey too. I don't think NJ will change the system, but somehow we need to establish a way of getting ball to feet/space to our strikers, whoever it may be. We need to have some kind of response for that game. I knew that we were going to come into this league as underdogs and the L column was going to be higher than the W column, but QPR were 100% there for the taking today if we had a little more about us going forward.
The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. He would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.
It's funny isn't it, the opposition fans so far have consistently said that Campbell was our biggest threat and they were worried when he was on the ball but all a weird number of our fans do is screech at him. This happens sometimes to academy products in particular. Campbell's been accused of being both lazy and uninterested AND needing to be the centre of attention in another thread, it's just whatever people can think of to throw at him. Such odd behaviour.
Can't wait for Godden to return. Such a class act, we need his nous, constant pressing and striker's instinct. Undeniably a poor Charlton performance but, for what it's worth, I think QPR will finish below us.
We cant rely on Godden or Berry - age and fitness will limit their appearances.
It makes Tuesday even odder knowing we had the international break after today. Players didn’t look sharp. We live and learn…
How many of our players are away on International duty ? I know TC got called up, anyone else ?
Asking because if I was the manager I would be training & using the players that are here over the next 2 weeks. Good time to drop TC. Maybe play a different system against Millwall.....but whatever, dont go into that game with players who have been away & not trained or practiced the tactics for this one.
Bell and Anderson as far as I'm aware. Don't think there's anyone else
Makes the decision to throw the cup game even more baffling
How does it? - QPR didn't even play in the League Cup this midweek and looked even more up for it
Apparently it would have meant we had momentum coming in to today’s game despite most of today’s starting 11 having not featured
I mean the alternative is we could have played a handful of the eleven from today, on Tuesday... But then it would be a slightly more tired Charlton team as a whole, facing a completely fresh QPR who were wanting to pay back the Manager after the 7-1 defeat from the weekend before... THAT was the problem going into this match.
The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. He would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.
It's funny isn't it, the opposition fans so far have consistently said that Campbell was our biggest threat and they were worried when he was on the ball but all a weird number of our fans do is screech at him. This happens sometimes to academy products in particular. Campbell's been accused of being both lazy and uninterested AND needing to be the centre of attention in another thread, it's just whatever people can think of to throw at him. Such odd behaviour.
The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. He would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.
It's funny isn't it, the opposition fans so far have consistently said that Campbell was our biggest threat and they were worried when he was on the ball but all a weird number of our fans do is screech at him. This happens sometimes to academy products in particular. Campbell's been accused of being both lazy and uninterested AND needing to be the centre of attention in another thread, it's just whatever people can think of to throw at him. Such odd behaviour.
Totally agree. The flak he gets grinds my gears.
I also find it really strange. People acting like he’s this polished, premier league bound striker/winger calling out a below par performance?
The kid was in the U21s two seasons ago as a winger.
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There are many calls for JRC, Alaofe, Kelman and Knibbs to start. Unfortunately none of those did themselves any favours against Cambridge and did little today when they came on. They need to earn their opportunity, not just get thrown in, especially when, up to today, the team has looked good.
Subs today were baffling and we do seem to lose all shape when chasing the game.
Nathan and the coaches have some work to do over the next couple of weeks but we're going to get ups and downs this season. Let's just hope there are more ups than downs!
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
It’s not doom and gloom. It’s realism.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.
Undeniably a poor Charlton performance but, for what it's worth, I think QPR will finish below us.
Let us hope after 10 games in you are right ?
In general we were very poor today all over the pitch including our usually solid defence
Let's hope this was an aberration and not the start of a total loss of form and confidence
If Tanto is supposed to be that cover, he has barely played on the left-hand side last season. Think we'd have been better off getting another winger that likes to cut in instead so that Campbell could be benched if needed for a like-for-like replacement.
So we get relegated & then sell players. Then start yet another rebuild.
Cant wait 🙄
Asking because if I was the manager I would be training & using the players that are here over the next 2 weeks. Good time to drop TC. Maybe play a different system against Millwall.....but whatever, dont go into that game with players who have been away & not trained or practiced the tactics for this one.
I wonder if we changed all 11 players for the League Cup that season too 🤔.
I say our lack of an offensive, attacking midfielder is a problem and Tyreece and Apter are limited. That was a bad defeat against a very bad team - that is the worry.
The owners will need to spend some serious money to keep us in this league, or get us back up if we get relegated
I doubt we will do anything against Millwall, so the season starts the week after that game.
There are no singular solutions to our issues going forward. For some reason, we still default to attempting regularly hoofed diagonals to some of the smallest players in our team - be it any of our CBs or Coventry in a kind of quarterback pocket next to them. It makes me want to claw my eyes out when I see Apter or TC trying to contest the high ball in the channels, particularly when they are poor or slightly loose. We default to this SO MUCH and it just pains my soul. I didn't understand it when Kelman was in and even when Stockley-he-is-not Leaburn is the target, it still doesn't work. Docherty and Carey added very little, and Leaburn cut the same distanced figure that Kelman did. Our goal came directly from FINALLY feeding TC ball to feet in space, but our distribution that bypasses the midfield just reminds me so much of the pre-Crawley games last season.
I appreciate that he was better against Leicester, but tactically and strategically, my biggest source of ire is the inability for Docherty to impact the game at all when in possession of the ball. For all of his press without the ball, with him in the team, he just doesn't do enough with it. It feels like every pass is backward and he just cannot get his head up to make space or draw a tackle. He lacks the quality to drive with the ball, so it feels like he just wants to contest the second ball from a diagonal when we are going forward. For whatever reason (and this definitely feels NJ-driven), we don't want to pass through midfield and this is why we don't end up making and generating space for Apter/TC. As a result, almost every team just moves to double up on either wing and everyone knows we don't carry the ball from midfield. We are way, way, WAY too predictable going forward - it's the midfield that's the problem.
For Millwall, we need to make some changes. Docherty is the obvious one for me, and probably TC and Carey too. I don't think NJ will change the system, but somehow we need to establish a way of getting ball to feet/space to our strikers, whoever it may be. We need to have some kind of response for that game. I knew that we were going to come into this league as underdogs and the L column was going to be higher than the W column, but QPR were 100% there for the taking today if we had a little more about us going forward.
The kid was in the U21s two seasons ago as a winger.