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POST-MATCH THREAD: Queens Park Rangers v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 30th August 2025: KO 12:30pm
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Everyone’s entitled to their opinion blah blah blah, but giving Campbell a 3 out of 10 is lunacy. The only thing that gives me any hope for us from an attacking perspective is that Campbell is proving effective at stretching opposition defences. We need someone to step up and take some of the chances that are created because TC has dragged their players out of position rather than dropping TC entirely.cafcnick1992 said:The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. He would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.12 -
I agree with what some have said that we need a viable TC backup for when he isn’t effective.se9addick said:
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion blah blah blah, but giving Campbell a 3 out of 10 is lunacy. The only thing that gives me any hope for us from an attacking perspective is that Campbell is proving effective at stretching opposition defences. We need someone to step up and take some of the chances that are created because TC has dragged their players out of position rather than dropping TC entirely.cafcnick1992 said:The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. He would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.
To be calling him out like this is not only sad for him, but a little counterintuitive4 -
Yeah Exiled is spot on from the way I see it toojimmymelrose said:
Kind of what I wanted to say but more diplomatically.Exiled_Addick said:
A few of our fans are getting a reality check and don’t like it. And the usual over reaction to every defeat swiftly follows.SporadicAddick said:Some of the comments from the end of the match thread are brilliant. It really wasn’t dogshit or horrendous.
We lost 3-1 in the championship. The 3rd goal was as we pushed in the final stages - always a risk.
we clearly need some attention focussed on attacking threat but if Leaburn hits that under the bar in the first half it’s a different game.
We’ll lose a lot more this season, but we’ll win some as well.Some balance and perspective will definitely help some cope with a Saturday afternoons football.If the players were naive today so have many of our fans been.
This is a tough, tough division and a large proportion of our squad are making the significant step up from League One for the first time.
We spent a bit of dosh but we are rebuilding a squad that just two seasons ago included many players that are now playing in League Two.
A bit of momentum and a surprise element got us through the the first few games. Now teams have seen what we’re about and can plan for it. Now the slog starts.
The team needs to learn lessons fast and sharpen up 10% in most areas. Jones will know what’s required and will be working tirelessly to get the players to the levels needed.
This side will battle away and won’t be out worked often but quality will be lacking at times, individual errors will happen, and we’re are going to lose plenty of matches.
That, really, should be fully expected. Doesn’t mean every defeat is a sign the sky is falling in or all our players are shit.A few fans need a bit of a mindset shift because the team are going to need us behind them not on their backs.Anything 21st or higher remains a successful season.0 -
You are genuinely very weirdjimmymelrose said:PWR
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
It’s not doom and gloom. It’s realism.5 -
Maybe a bit of reality is needed. After 3 decent performances, today was a disappointment but feel the defence is still decent and will bounce back.jimmymelrose said:PWR
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
It’s not doom and gloom. It’s realism.
Feel we are still lacking an Andy Reid quality type of midfielder that can unlock opposition defences. Two weeks for the strikers to find their shooting boots against the spanners.0 -
The football has been laughable?jimmymelrose said:PWR
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
It’s not doom and gloom. It’s realism.
We beat Watford
Got a v respectable point against City
Dominated Leicester
This might be the biggest overreaction to 1 indifferent league performance, and even then we could have won today.17 -
Oh, I wondered when you woild crawl out of your hole.TheHerminator said:
You genuinely are a bit of a knob aren't you fellagolfaddick said:
Whoopee Do.CaptainRobbo said:
I think a few of this season's signings were bought with an eye on possible future sell on fees if they make the step up.charltonbob said:Didn't see the game & haven't seen much of Kelman this season (hardly surprising when NJ leaves him on the bench)so not having a dig at him but I do wonder as I did when we signed him, whether we should have gone out & spent as much as we could on an experienced quality striker proven at this level rather than someone totally unproven in the championship. We knew there would be a big step up in quality & games would be tight, we needed a striker we knew would do the business. Kelman or Leaburn may well go on & develop into decent goal scorers, problem is we need one now.
So we get relegated & then sell players. Then start yet another rebuild.
Cant wait 🙄0 -
Both games we’ve lost to a moment of quality from a quality player. Our players are good, but like you say, we lack that Andy Reid type/special kind of player clubs that have been in this division longer might have.CaptainRobbo said:
Maybe a bit of reality is needed. After 3 decent performances, today was a disappointment but feel the defence is still decent and will bounce back.jimmymelrose said:PWR
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
It’s not doom and gloom. It’s realism.
Feel we are still lacking an Andy Reid quality type of midfielder that can unlock opposition defences. Two weeks for the strikers to find their shooting boots against the spanners.0 -
Who mentioned relegation?golfaddick said:
Whoopee Do.CaptainRobbo said:
I think a few of this season's signings were bought with an eye on possible future sell on fees if they make the step up.charltonbob said:Didn't see the game & haven't seen much of Kelman this season (hardly surprising when NJ leaves him on the bench)so not having a dig at him but I do wonder as I did when we signed him, whether we should have gone out & spent as much as we could on an experienced quality striker proven at this level rather than someone totally unproven in the championship. We knew there would be a big step up in quality & games would be tight, we needed a striker we knew would do the business. Kelman or Leaburn may well go on & develop into decent goal scorers, problem is we need one now.
So we get relegated & then sell players. Then start yet another rebuild.
Cant wait 🙄
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*drovejimmymelrose said:PWR
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
It’s not doom and gloom. It’s realism.
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You can make a point without being a self important sarcastic prick you know. You’re not as clever as you think you aregolfaddick said:
Oh, I wondered when you woild crawl out of your hole.TheHerminator said:
You genuinely are a bit of a knob aren't you fellagolfaddick said:
Whoopee Do.CaptainRobbo said:
I think a few of this season's signings were bought with an eye on possible future sell on fees if they make the step up.charltonbob said:Didn't see the game & haven't seen much of Kelman this season (hardly surprising when NJ leaves him on the bench)so not having a dig at him but I do wonder as I did when we signed him, whether we should have gone out & spent as much as we could on an experienced quality striker proven at this level rather than someone totally unproven in the championship. We knew there would be a big step up in quality & games would be tight, we needed a striker we knew would do the business. Kelman or Leaburn may well go on & develop into decent goal scorers, problem is we need one now.
So we get relegated & then sell players. Then start yet another rebuild.
Cant wait 🙄3 -
And you wonder why people don’t take you seriouslygolfaddick said:
*drovejimmymelrose said:PWR
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
It’s not doom and gloom. It’s realism.0 -
If you're gonna correct other people's spelling, better make sure yours is perfectgolfaddick said:
Oh, I wondered when you woild crawl out of your hole.TheHerminator said:
You genuinely are a bit of a knob aren't you fellagolfaddick said:
Whoopee Do.CaptainRobbo said:
I think a few of this season's signings were bought with an eye on possible future sell on fees if they make the step up.charltonbob said:Didn't see the game & haven't seen much of Kelman this season (hardly surprising when NJ leaves him on the bench)so not having a dig at him but I do wonder as I did when we signed him, whether we should have gone out & spent as much as we could on an experienced quality striker proven at this level rather than someone totally unproven in the championship. We knew there would be a big step up in quality & games would be tight, we needed a striker we knew would do the business. Kelman or Leaburn may well go on & develop into decent goal scorers, problem is we need one now.
So we get relegated & then sell players. Then start yet another rebuild.
Cant wait 🙄6 -
I think your sarcasm detector might be broken.msomerton said:
When was thatElfsborgAddick said:AndyG said:Just watched the 1st half of the Millwall game if we don’t step up they will tear through us like a knife through butter. Fortunately they don’t seem to be able to score from the build up play they create
Don't worry mate, we always up our game against the spanners.2 -
He's 20 years old, and just jumped from L1 to the Champ.? Yeah, his decision making isn't always great, and today it cost us a goal and the draw. He's growing into it. It's not guaranteed he'll adapt, but some of the bottomless criticism is just ridiculous. He is frightening for defenders, and we need patience. We can't keep throwing the young players overboard for a bad performance.Garrymanilow said:
It's funny isn't it, the opposition fans so far have consistently said that Campbell was our biggest threat and they were worried when he was on the ball but all a weird number of our fans do is screech at him. This happens sometimes to academy products in particular. Campbell's been accused of being both lazy and uninterested AND needing to be the centre of attention in another thread, it's just whatever people can think of to throw at him. Such odd behaviour.cafcnick1992 said:The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. He would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.18 -
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Even entirely blaming the goal on him is a bit much. Losing the ball inside the opponents half should not be enough to trigger a goal against. Other players also didn’t do what would normally be expected of them to allow the shot to happen.se9addick said:
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion blah blah blah, but giving Campbell a 3 out of 10 is lunacy. The only thing that gives me any hope for us from an attacking perspective is that Campbell is proving effective at stretching opposition defences. We need someone to step up and take some of the chances that are created because TC has dragged their players out of position rather than dropping TC entirely.cafcnick1992 said:The Campbell hate is getting ridiculous. People making out he was our worst player when that wasn't even remotely true. He would lose an attacking threat by not having him in the team.
Someone in the player marks gave him a 3. What game are you watching.
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Purposely took myself away from all things Charlton match thread today.
Feel much better for it.
If we avoid relegation this season, i will be content.6 -
TC was terrible today bar the 15 min spell he had in the 2nd half. He’s far from championship ready currently and should be on the bench as impact only. People say he creates space, draws defenders out, etc but we have only scored 2 goals in 4 games. He gives the ball away so often and in dangerous places. If I was any good at video editing I’d put together a compilation of him losing the ball at least once in all 4 matches that lead to a dangerous counter/goal.Also Ramsay today was shocking which was unusual. Positionally all over the place, lunging last minute, trying too hard to get highlights for his little videos. Get back to the basics please as he had been colossal until now.Shit performance all round, get knibbs, tanto and kelman a run of games and see what they can do when they have 4/5 games together3
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Without Godden, who takes a penalty if we ever get one?
Think I'd be watching it from behind the sofa4 - Sponsored links:
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I’m massively concerned about the midfield as well. It doesn’t seem anywhere near the level of the midfield we had the last time we were in the championship, and we all know how they turned out. I really didn’t think Docherty would have been a guaranteed starter, there’s no competition for Coventry or Carey. Apparently we’re signing one more which will be a right wing-back, yet there’s still no backup for Edwards and not one striker has looked good so far throughout August. I’m keeping the faith but it’s starting to get concerning. With all due respect to QPR but that is one of the “easier” away games and we’ve not looked good. We can write off the next game because we simply never beat them, we didn’t beat them under Powell or Bowyer and that won’t change.3
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No idea why my reply to that post should interest or even bother you. FWIW he's my brother & it's an in joke.TheHerminator said:
And you wonder why people don’t take you seriouslygolfaddick said:
*drovejimmymelrose said:PWR
My wife lost her sunglasses in one of the cars we test drived today.
I reckon that a lot of you lost your Charlton rose tinted glasses today. Some of the expectations on here, and enthusiasm over our signings from League One in the summer, and our football over recent weeks have been laughable despite other more realistic posters, including me, getting lots of lols.
I want us to stay up but I’ve been prepared for a battle since before the season started.
It’s not doom and gloom. It’s realism.
But then you have to comment on all my posts....good or bad. Should I be getting worried ??? A fan or a stalker ?3 -
No idea what you are on about. If you mean my reply to a different post then I wasn't correcting spelling, I was correcting grammar. And as per my answer to the post above, it was directed to my brother, who should know better.CaptainRobbo said:
If you're gonna correct other people's spelling, better make sure yours is perfectgolfaddick said:
Oh, I wondered when you woild crawl out of your hole.TheHerminator said:
You genuinely are a bit of a knob aren't you fellagolfaddick said:
Whoopee Do.CaptainRobbo said:
I think a few of this season's signings were bought with an eye on possible future sell on fees if they make the step up.charltonbob said:Didn't see the game & haven't seen much of Kelman this season (hardly surprising when NJ leaves him on the bench)so not having a dig at him but I do wonder as I did when we signed him, whether we should have gone out & spent as much as we could on an experienced quality striker proven at this level rather than someone totally unproven in the championship. We knew there would be a big step up in quality & games would be tight, we needed a striker we knew would do the business. Kelman or Leaburn may well go on & develop into decent goal scorers, problem is we need one now.
So we get relegated & then sell players. Then start yet another rebuild.
Cant wait 🙄
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The difference is paying over the odds & giving ourselves a decent chance of staying up & building on that or signing 2 unproven strikers that Jones isn't even playing & ending up back in the third division where all of our better players will be out of the door & we end up starting all over again. 20 shots against Leicester & not one goal speaks for itself. It was always going to be a struggle & I just don't see where the goals are going to come from at this level.se9addick said:
The sort of player you’re describing costs about £10M (maybe more) these days. The Championship has gotten completely insane in the five years we’ve been out of it. We think that spending £3M - £4M on a striker is a massive amount (and it absolutely is relative to what we’ve been spending recently) but it doesn’t buy you much at this level as I think we’re starting to find out.charltonbob said:Didn't see the game & haven't seen much of Kelman this season (hardly surprising when NJ leaves him on the bench)so not having a dig at him but I do wonder as I did when we signed him, whether we should have gone out & spent as much as we could on an experienced quality striker proven at this level rather than someone totally unproven in the championship. We knew there would be a big step up in quality & games would be tight, we needed a striker we knew would do the business. Kelman or Leaburn may well go on & develop into decent goal scorers, problem is we need one now.1 -
I'm glad someone else sees this too.DDOUBLEE said:I’m massively concerned about the midfield as well. It doesn’t seem anywhere near the level of the midfield we had the last time we were in the championship, and we all know how they turned out. I really didn’t think Docherty would have been a guaranteed starter, there’s no competition for Coventry or Carey.
My critique (predominantly of Docherty, but to some extent also Carey) is that neither rarely provide themselves as options to receive shorter passes from Coventry/the defence when they are deep. Just watch how we start to build play under "normal" circumstances - it's 0-0, say, and we're starting from a goal kick. More often than not, this commonly results in either Coventry or, say, Bell, trying to hit a very difficult diagonal from just inside our half to Apter/TC. It's very much by design to my eye, but it's regularly completely nullified. Docherty and Carey are not in the shorter pass positions in and around the centre circle, trying to find pockets of space - they are trying to impact and press the second balls landing off of these passes that (feel like, at least) they have a very low success rate. Rather than being a threat of dribbling (akin the the second goal today, an extreme example) and driving forward, it's backwards passes to diagonals and invading on any space close to whichever striker is up front.
It's just very... odd? I was hoping that Carey would be the 10 that would finally do this (and maybe Knibbs might yet bring a bit of this, but I'm yet to see it), but we very rarely carry much central midfield attacking threat to teams at all. We just seem to try and get Docherty and Carey in the vicinity, yet we never try to pass through the middle. I have serious doubts that Docherty has any capacity to do this, yet we are seemingly forced to play him in a 3 man midfield that feels wholly ineffective.
Without ball to feet, Kelman, Leaburn and even Godden will continue to look isolated. Godden is better at being a solo hold-up target player than both of them, but we don't have him atm and we're playing like we do. Even then, smarter Championship defenders can deal with this. The isolation of our strikers and not playing to their strengths is highlighting a stubbornness of NJ to stick rigidly to this system. Fundamentally, I think the way we are playing with these players isn't clicking when we go forward - we look at our best when our wide players can isolate full-backs in 1v1s and we move the ball quickly to them.
The patterns of play going forward need improving - we've got some time to sit and think about this now. It will be a long, tough season - we just need to start clicking to get more balls to feet to our strikers and wingers, and allow them to get in the situations where they can create and score.16 -
How do QPR get away with charging £39 to be in that away end?
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This plus our awful record at Loftus Road - we should’ve seen it coming1 -
How's his record against Millwall......because ours is truely dreadful.Callumcafc said:This plus our awful record at Loftus Road - we should’ve seen it coming5 -
Dec 99: 0-0 draw v. QPRCallumcafc said:This plus our awful record at Loftus Road - we should’ve seen it coming
Oct 02: 1-0 loss v. Fulham
Jan 03: 3-0 loss v. Fulham
Apr 04: 2-0 loss v. Fulham
Apr 08: 1-0 loss v. QPR
Nov 08: 2-1 loss v. QPR
Nov 13: 1-0 loss v. QPR
Apr 16: 2-1 loss v. QPR
Dec 19: 2-2 draw v. QPR
Sep 20: 2-1 loss v. Wimbledon
Aug 25: 3-1 loss v. QPR
11 played: 2 draws, 9 losses and 0 wins. Scored 6, conceded 19.2 -
He did not mention Berry. He may be suffering a mid-life crisis but he is not that deluded.BigDiddy said:
We cant rely on Godden or Berry - age and fitness will limit their appearances.mid_life_crisis said:Can't wait for Godden to return. Such a class act, we need his nous, constant pressing and striker's instinct.
Undeniably a poor Charlton performance but, for what it's worth, I think QPR will finish below us.0
