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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Sometimes managers feel their way into a job. They try a few things until they find the right formula for that squad and that club. Hopefully that’s what’s happening here.AndyG said:Digging out people who were critical of jones for the long ball tactics that wasn’t working is unfair ! Since Mansfield there has definitely been a change of game plan which is exactly what fans were calling for and results have been fantastic so maybe they were vindicated ?
12 months ago Wycombe were on a 12 game winless run but they stuck with their manager and we’ve just ended their 19 game unbeaten run a year later.It happens in football all the time and nothing good would have coming from sacking Nathan Jones in October, November or December.10 -
Remember leaving The Valley after the Crawley game thinking that Jones will probably get the Lincoln match, purely because Doherty & Berry were suspended for that Crawley performance. Imagine he will be pleased that two of big summer signings have come back into the team and started to put in big performances.Callumcafc said:The best thing about this thread is that everyone’s comments are all in one place… I don’t have to go scouring through loads of different threads looking for them.
Up to 7th… Nathan Jones’ reds go marching on…
Jones and the board will be delighted that we have found ourselves back in the play off hunt, in time for the January window. The defence seems fine, just need that additional quality at the top of pitch.2 -
What I think you can say for Jones is he's always said we're not far off being a very good side. Sometimes that was almost impossible to see, and based on the fact we kept doing the same thing, completely failing in midfield and chopping and changing the team it felt like the breakthrough would never come. We were always strong at the back and we always got goals (in the second half) but we were so bad as an overall side he seemed delusional. One big player coming back and a tweak that's finally given us some width though and you can actually see what he was driving at.We're still strong at the back but with TC pulling wide and Small hammering up the right our midfielders suddenly have additional space to play the ball into, the diagonal from the back has more space to drop into and when the midfielders receive the ball back the space is less compressed. Counters drag defenders out of position instead of being reliant on one player storming through and because of the outball up the pitch and wingbacks can put crosses in after some space has been created by the wide man. We've actually seen some overlaps. Suddenly the press is better, the defence is more settled and we're getting the best out of Small, TC, Leaburn, Berry and Doc. The side is settled because we're playing well and it's actually fun watching us. The 'worst team in our history' suddenly looks good without any transfers all because of one minor tactical tweak. The challenge now is adapting again once teams figure us out and do something to deal with it, but Jones can argue that this is what he meant after we've just deservedly beaten the team in second and won three in a row6
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I guess he was waiting for his most reliable and influential defender to return before committing to this new way of playing.
Has started to turn it around like was hoping for as wasn't fully onboard with Jones out. Interesting Jan ahead for sure.
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I’d argue it was slight more than the “first sign” of poor form, it was atrocious form full stop.NabySarr said:This is why you stick by a good manager rather than sacking him at the first sign of poor form
But either way Jones isn’t getting sacked pretty much regardless of what happens over the rest of the season so I’m not certain the debate on this thread helps us as a club at all.2 -
To be fair a lot of people, myself included, wanted to give him a little more time and were opposed to changing managers yet again.
One thing is certain, our style of play has improved greatly in recent weeks.
Whether that was a result of the criticism levelled at him, we'll never know for sure, but it seems highly likely.4 -
Callumcafc said:
Thanks.se9addick said:
You’re right, but Callum had people digging him out on this thread after losses so I can understand his perspective.shine166 said:
Indeed, let's reevaluate in the summer, during the season/after a few wins isn't really the time to dig out othersCallumcafc said:The best thing about this thread is that everyone’s comments are all in one place… I don’t have to go scouring through loads of different threads looking for them.
Up to 7th… Nathan Jones’ reds go marching on…
Funny how we should evaluate in the summer after a few wins eh…
Allow me to enjoy it folks. Being on this forum wasn’t much fun only a couple of weeks ago, having my name posted all over match threads when we conceded a goal etc.
You should have tried being a Trump supporter over on the political boards mate!Callumcafc said:
Thanks.se9addick said:
You’re right, but Callum had people digging him out on this thread after losses so I can understand his perspective.shine166 said:
Indeed, let's reevaluate in the summer, during the season/after a few wins isn't really the time to dig out othersCallumcafc said:The best thing about this thread is that everyone’s comments are all in one place… I don’t have to go scouring through loads of different threads looking for them.
Up to 7th… Nathan Jones’ reds go marching on…
Funny how we should evaluate in the summer after a few wins eh…
Allow me to enjoy it folks. Being on this forum wasn’t much fun only a couple of weeks ago, having my name posted all over match threads when we conceded a goal etc.4 -
I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
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You’ve got to be joking?carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
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I mean, I just wouldn't go digging people out because we could go on another run of 10 results and it looks muggy.... as is people calling you out for positivity.Callumcafc said:
Thanks.se9addick said:
You’re right, but Callum had people digging him out on this thread after losses so I can understand his perspective.shine166 said:
Indeed, let's reevaluate in the summer, during the season/after a few wins isn't really the time to dig out othersCallumcafc said:The best thing about this thread is that everyone’s comments are all in one place… I don’t have to go scouring through loads of different threads looking for them.
Up to 7th… Nathan Jones’ reds go marching on…
Funny how we should evaluate in the summer after a few wins eh…
Allow me to enjoy it folks. Being on this forum wasn’t much fun only a couple of weeks ago, having my name posted all over match threads when we conceded a goal etc.
Jones football has been absolute dog shit and 3 wins doesn't chage that. If we had been half good so far this season we'd be going into the NY a top 4 team.
Looking forward though, there's definitely optimisim again rather than blind hope. Feels nice to be looking forward to upcoming fixtures... its been a while !.2 - Sponsored links:
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Fair play on today, a very solid performance against a side who hadn’t lost since August. We did it to Birmingham too though and then went on a pitiful run; our tactics seem to work better against the better, possession/ territory based teams.We also won 3 in a row at the start of the season and that also fell apart.I think the season has been poor for the most part and we are still below where we need to be and were promised, in what is a very weak division. I remain very unconvinced by Jones and his style, tactics and overall management but am buzzing we are back in some kind of competing position again. I’m certainly not counting any chickens given what’s occurred thus far this season, but here’s hoping he can take us on a Bowyer-esque surge and really justify some of his post match bitching!5
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Absolutely, loads were going berserk.se9addick said:
You’ve got to be joking?carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
Onwards and upwards5 -
They were, and whether right or wrong remains to be seen, but there’s no doubt that the criticism was and question marks continue to be absolutely justified. Bristol R and Crawley have been heavily mentioned as 2 of the worst performances in our entire history, added to the Stevenages, Exeters, Barnsley’s blackpools and Southend’s.ElfsborgAddick said:
Absolutely, loads were going berserk.se9addick said:
You’ve got to be joking?carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
Onwards and upwardsThere can be no pretending we have been appalling for large parts of this season, and our points tally and position remain comfortably below the play offs which is the absolute minimum requirement this season.Improvement in both performance and results needs to continue for some time to prove the doubters wrong. 8th place finish and some points of Birmingham and Wrexham is of no interest to me, or indeed the owners, this season.I hope he attempts to win more games, succeeds, and proves me wrong!11 -
Definitely wanted him to go. We were playing terribly and going nowhere with no sign of improvement. The performances against Crawley and Orient were atrocious.ElfsborgAddick said:
Absolutely, loads were going berserk.se9addick said:
You’ve got to be joking?carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
Onwards and upwards
Delighted that things have improved.12 -
To be fair, given the amount of grief Callum gets on here if he doesn't scream into the void when we lose I think he's entitled to give it a bit after we win three in a row!shine166 said:
I mean, I just wouldn't go digging people out because we could go on another run of 10 results and it looks muggy.... as is people calling you out for positivity.Callumcafc said:
Thanks.se9addick said:
You’re right, but Callum had people digging him out on this thread after losses so I can understand his perspective.shine166 said:
Indeed, let's reevaluate in the summer, during the season/after a few wins isn't really the time to dig out othersCallumcafc said:The best thing about this thread is that everyone’s comments are all in one place… I don’t have to go scouring through loads of different threads looking for them.
Up to 7th… Nathan Jones’ reds go marching on…
Funny how we should evaluate in the summer after a few wins eh…
Allow me to enjoy it folks. Being on this forum wasn’t much fun only a couple of weeks ago, having my name posted all over match threads when we conceded a goal etc.
Jones football has been absolute dog shit and 3 wins doesn't chage that. If we had been half good so far this season we'd be going into the NY a top 4 team.
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These three wins don’t mean everything has been fixed, but the thing I wanted to see Jones do is prove he can arrest slide and turn form around again. Every team goes through sticky patches but what we’d seen this season was too self-inflicted. Jones seemed rigid and stubborn in his long ball tactics and too many of our big summer signings were not contributing enough.
He’s been helped by Lloyd Jones’ return and Leaburn starting to look more up to speed, but, crucially, he has ditched the pure long ball football for a more balanced and pragmatic style and that has seen improvements form the like of Doc and Berry.
I’m encouraged that he’s shown himself to be more flexible than I feared he was and the way we are playing now does feel more sustainable and like a platform to go forwards with. Credit to him for that.
Hopefully we can make some good additions in January to add some more options to the midfield/attack and have a proper go at the play-offs from here. He’s certainly at least bought himself some more patience from me.12 -
This. Am in the same camp. Even the win at Burton was diabolical football, and the idea of another season being over by Christmas with dire football was too much. I'm still not convinced... but I'm not now saying 'Jones out'. That win today was a proper performance against a good side, with players in their right positions and the hard work and closing down clearly in evidence. So, please keep it going and force me to eat some humble pie, it'll taste as sweet as Golfie's on the match thread today if we get into the playoffs, which has to be the target.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Definitely wanted him to go. We were playing terribly and going nowhere with no sign of improvement. The performances against Crawley and Orient were atrocious.ElfsborgAddick said:
Absolutely, loads were going berserk.se9addick said:
You’ve got to be joking?carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
Onwards and upwards
Delighted that things have improved.5 -
It’s weird how things work out. Everyone slated Jones for putting Small at RWB against Huddersfield and for persisting with TC up front. Both seem to be working pretty well now2
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Callumcafc said:The best thing about this thread is that everyone’s comments are all in one place… I don’t have to go scouring through loads of different threads looking for them.
Up to 7th… Nathan Jones’ reds go marching on…
I'm sorry but this is confusing.Callumcafc said:
Thanks.se9addick said:
You’re right, but Callum had people digging him out on this thread after losses so I can understand his perspective.shine166 said:
Indeed, let's reevaluate in the summer, during the season/after a few wins isn't really the time to dig out othersCallumcafc said:The best thing about this thread is that everyone’s comments are all in one place… I don’t have to go scouring through loads of different threads looking for them.
Up to 7th… Nathan Jones’ reds go marching on…
Funny how we should evaluate in the summer after a few wins eh…
Allow me to enjoy it folks. Being on this forum wasn’t much fun only a couple of weeks ago, having my name posted all over match threads when we conceded a goal etc.
You've first of all posted saying you are basically digging through posts to see any negative posts about Jones, which could be seen as antagonising.
Then you've posted leave me be, as its been a rough few weeks?
Not being funny, but everyone is entitled to enjoy that win as much as the next fan, why are you trying to separate yourself like you've gone through some hardships? I think I remember one person or maybe two posting at you when we conceded? Hardly your name all over match threads.
If you are opinionated, you create a lightning rod for your back. Please stop with the siege mentality on a football forum, when fans were rightly calling out the shit football for what it was.
It was horrific, it hasn't been horrific for 4 games, it's been great. Simple.16 -
Loved seeing Mitchell and jones today slamming into each other in a aggressive job well done manner and high fiving after a successful block or header, they have such an understanding of each other and both fight for the shirt and a clean sheet, things you love to see. Such a vast difference to our defence this season.19
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One possibly because of the otherNabySarr said:It’s weird how things work out. Everyone slated Jones for putting Small at RWB against Huddersfield and for persisting with TC up front. Both seem to be working pretty well now
Ie the width and directness small offers helps TC be slightly more effective2 -
🎶We concured the cobblersWe concured UniversityWe took the chair to the chairboysThis is Nathan's red and white armyAllez allez allez🎶
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the Crawley performance was the tipping point for me into Jones needing to go territory. It’s not the defeat but the way we were playing too. I’m delighted to have been proven wrong for now and if we can continue with the type of performance we saw today then I’ll be delighted.Never go expecting a win but equally can’t stomach endless hoof ball with zero quality. Hopefully we have turned a corner and we will see a much stronger second half of the season.1
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I said to my cousin they remind me of this:DA9 said:Loved seeing Mitchell and jones today slamming into each other in a aggressive job well done manner and high fiving after a successful block or header, they have such an understanding of each other and both fight for the shirt and a clean sheet, things you love to see. Such a vast difference to our defence this season.
I now greet my cousin George with similar high fives when I see him.
Some duo them two, proper centre backs.1 -
Maybe I paraphrased that wrong. They might have been saying it but deep down they knew there wasn't any quick fixes. We've walked this road before. Many times.se9addick said:
You’ve got to be joking?carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
Onwards and upwards
If we were getting dragged into a relegation fight and he wasn't getting a tune then maybe we'd have had to try something else.
But if Jones goes now realistically who else is there?
we'd only ever end up with another Appleton.0 -
Forums and social media turn everyone mad in terms of having a tribe or a 'stance'.
Who cares? Great thing about this place is that we all want the same thing – Charlton winning.
Everyone was entitled to slag off the terrible football before, and everyone deserves to enjoy this upturn now.
Don't follow Charlton through the prism of the views you and others have put on the internet. It'll drive you mad.10 -
carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
Onwards and upwards
If you read the Vitriol from Nicholas before the 3 game winning run, Nathan Jones must've drowned his puppies, burnt his table tennis table and shagged his...
My criticism was playing the 3 central strikers together for two matches which was a disaster.
I think NJ had a lightbulb moment and we really did start to get players in wider positions more. Both Campbell and Small have gone past defenders in recent matches out wider !
Like many I predicted 7th to 10th back in early August and we need to be more consistent than just 3 matches but if we can keep important players fit then we may at least go close to the play offs.
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Agree. Id add the middle2/3 really seem to know their roles now and are not treading on each others toes.soapboxsam said:carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
Onwards and upwards
If you read the Vitriol from Nicholas before the 3 game winning run, Nathan Jones must've drowned his puppies, burnt his table tennis table and shagged his...
My criticism was playing the 3 central strikers together for two matches which was a disaster.
I think NJ had a lightbulb moment and we really did start to get players in wider positions more. Both Campbell and Small have gone past defenders in recent matches out wider !
Like many I predicted 7th to 10th back in early August and we need to be more consistent than just 3 matches but if we can keep important players fit then we may at least go close to the play offs.
Coventry in particular has really found his feet. He's not an attack minded, 40 yard baller. His job should only be to protect the back 3 and distribute the ball to the attack minded when he wins it back. Anderson is going to have to really up his game to dislodge Cov for me.1 -
Anderson’s always been box to box or an attacking midfielder under Jones, he’s the competition for Docherty and Berry. Taylor’s the alternative to Coventry.carly burn said:
Agree. Id add the middle2/3 really seem to know their roles now and are not treading on each others toes.soapboxsam said:carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
Onwards and upwards
If you read the Vitriol from Nicholas before the 3 game winning run, Nathan Jones must've drowned his puppies, burnt his table tennis table and shagged his...
My criticism was playing the 3 central strikers together for two matches which was a disaster.
I think NJ had a lightbulb moment and we really did start to get players in wider positions more. Both Campbell and Small have gone past defenders in recent matches out wider !
Like many I predicted 7th to 10th back in early August and we need to be more consistent than just 3 matches but if we can keep important players fit then we may at least go close to the play offs.
Coventry in particular has really found his feet. He's not an attack minded, 40 yard baller. His job should only be to protect the back 3 and distribute the ball to the attack minded when he wins it back. Anderson is going to have to really up his game to dislodge Cov for me.2 -
Can't see it. His distribution is awful and he's poor in front of goalScoham said:
Anderson’s always been box to box or an attacking midfielder under Jones, he’s the competition for Docherty and Berry. Taylor’s the alternative to Coventry.carly burn said:
Agree. Id add the middle2/3 really seem to know their roles now and are not treading on each others toes.soapboxsam said:carly burn said:I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager.
The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue.
Onwards and upwards
If you read the Vitriol from Nicholas before the 3 game winning run, Nathan Jones must've drowned his puppies, burnt his table tennis table and shagged his...
My criticism was playing the 3 central strikers together for two matches which was a disaster.
I think NJ had a lightbulb moment and we really did start to get players in wider positions more. Both Campbell and Small have gone past defenders in recent matches out wider !
Like many I predicted 7th to 10th back in early August and we need to be more consistent than just 3 matches but if we can keep important players fit then we may at least go close to the play offs.
Coventry in particular has really found his feet. He's not an attack minded, 40 yard baller. His job should only be to protect the back 3 and distribute the ball to the attack minded when he wins it back. Anderson is going to have to really up his game to dislodge Cov for me.
I see him as a like for like for Coventry myself. Gets a foot in and can cover a lot of ground. Really need to improve his distribution though.
I see Taylor as a Doch/Berry hybrid0
