Anything other than promotion is a failure for Charlton in League One, but throughout our terrible run I've been of the opinion that if we could see clear building blocks and an attempt to play in a certain way, it would be a lot easier to accept a disappointing league position. There have been signs of that over the last 4 games and if we maintain this style of play for the rest of the season I think most people would be confident of our chances next year. I do think we've left ourselves a bit too much to do this season though.
I didn’t want Jones sacked mainly because we can’t continue to sack managers every six months. What does concern me though is there seems to be an opinion that it took Jones a while for his methods to click. That’s demonstrably not true. His tactics for the first half of the season haven’t “clicked”. They’ve been abandoned for something completely different. Was that a realisation by him and concern about losing his job or was he told in no uncertain terms to change ? Either way I’m not particularly interested in praising Jones too much for this turn around. He’s been dragged kicking and screaming to it. Jury still out for me.
I didn’t want Jones sacked mainly because we can’t continue to sack managers every six months. What does concern me though is there seems to be an opinion that it took Jones a while for his methods to click. That’s demonstrably not true. His tactics for the first half of the season haven’t “clicked”. They’ve been abandoned for something completely different. Was that a realisation by him and concern about losing his job or was he told in no uncertain terms to change ? Either way I’m not particularly interested in praising Jones too much for this turn around. He’s been dragged kicking and screaming to it. Jury still out for me.
Only have to go back to the first few months of the season to find posts about the style of play not being right for this squad. They then proved it when we beat Birmingham, because we definitely passed the ball more that day - I remember that surprising me, while the solid defending wasn’t so much given it’s something Jones is known for.
While he was reluctant to change the style, he does deserve credit for doing so. Many managers we’ve had refused to. Just a shame we weren’t playing this way in preseason and signed a couple more players for TC and Small’s roles.
I didn’t want Jones sacked mainly because we can’t continue to sack managers every six months. What does concern me though is there seems to be an opinion that it took Jones a while for his methods to click. That’s demonstrably not true. His tactics for the first half of the season haven’t “clicked”. They’ve been abandoned for something completely different. Was that a realisation by him and concern about losing his job or was he told in no uncertain terms to change ? Either way I’m not particularly interested in praising Jones too much for this turn around. He’s been dragged kicking and screaming to it. Jury still out for me.
Only have to go back to the first few months of the season to find posts about the style of play not being right for this squad. They then proved it when we beat Birmingham, because we definitely passed the ball more that day - I remember that surprising me, while the solid defending wasn’t so much given it’s something Jones is known for.
While he was reluctant to change the style, he does deserve credit for doing so. Many managers we’ve had refused to. Just a shame we weren’t playing this way in preseason and signed a couple more players for TC and Small’s roles.
Yeah I’ll buy into that but I also think had he not then he was cruising towards unemployment. He got the first half of the season completely wrong. Fair to say something had to change.
How much have injuries affected the decisions Jones has had to make?
It seems to me the addition of just a couple of players to the squad have had a very positive effect.
I would say the big changes have been the return of Jones and playing TC and Small in wide positions. Both possess power and pace. Teams before this change found it too easy to defend against us and the template of always having bodies behind the ball and breaking invariably worked. It isn't so easy now. Jones could have brought in the width earlier but now he has he needs to look at the window in terms of cover as what happens if Small and TC get injured or indeed both of them?
Would just be our luck for Jones to have turned it around, playing better football, looking at a play off push…and then Luton come in for him and he leaves
Would just be our luck for Jones to have turned it around, playing better football, looking at a play off push…and then Luton come in for him and he leaves
Would just be our luck for Jones to have turned it around, playing better football, looking at a play off push…and then Luton come in for him and he leaves
Would just be our luck for Jones to have turned it around, playing better football, looking at a play off push…and then Luton come in for him and he leaves
Could happen, they lost again
I think he will be gone tomorrow. FA cup week so no league game for 2 weeks. Ideal time to sack a manager and have a replacement sorted in time
Would just be our luck for Jones to have turned it around, playing better football, looking at a play off push…and then Luton come in for him and he leaves
Would just be our luck for Jones to have turned it around, playing better football, looking at a play off push…and then Luton come in for him and he leaves
I didn’t want Jones sacked mainly because we can’t continue to sack managers every six months. What does concern me though is there seems to be an opinion that it took Jones a while for his methods to click. That’s demonstrably not true. His tactics for the first half of the season haven’t “clicked”. They’ve been abandoned for something completely different. Was that a realisation by him and concern about losing his job or was he told in no uncertain terms to change ? Either way I’m not particularly interested in praising Jones too much for this turn around. He’s been dragged kicking and screaming to it. Jury still out for me.
Only have to go back to the first few months of the season to find posts about the style of play not being right for this squad. They then proved it when we beat Birmingham, because we definitely passed the ball more that day - I remember that surprising me, while the solid defending wasn’t so much given it’s something Jones is known for.
While he was reluctant to change the style, he does deserve credit for doing so. Many managers we’ve had refused to. Just a shame we weren’t playing this way in preseason and signed a couple more players for TC and Small’s roles.
Yeah I’ll buy into that but I also think had he not then he was cruising towards unemployment. He got the first half of the season completely wrong. Fair to say something had to change.
I agree he was 'cruising to unemployment', and took it as read that Gavin Carter had something to do with the uptick in form. Anyway at the time, only a few weeks ago, someone seems to have had a word with someone and suddenly we are playing with width and have become easier to watch (enjoyable even, lately!). I think Jones is sulking still about this. He has not partaken in aftermatch applause of fans like he did before.
Some supposition there i grant you, but since no-one else has said it so far (as far i could see) i wanted to mention the Gavin Carter effect. It's just possible that that man gets you anything you wish for (within his orbit of influence- e.g not a pay-rise or a new spouse).
Anything other than promotion is a failure for Charlton in League One, but throughout our terrible run I've been of the opinion that if we could see clear building blocks and an attempt to play in a certain way, it would be a lot easier to accept a disappointing league position. There have been signs of that over the last 4 games and if we maintain this style of play for the rest of the season I think most people would be confident of our chances next year. I do think we've left ourselves a bit too much to do this season though.
Absolute nonsense, we have no god given right to success just like any other team in the world.
Wrexham, Birmingham, Bolton, Reading, Huddersfield could all equally say they are as big if not bigger than us as a club. Ultimately you finish where you belong.
Anything other than promotion is a failure for Charlton in League One, but throughout our terrible run I've been of the opinion that if we could see clear building blocks and an attempt to play in a certain way, it would be a lot easier to accept a disappointing league position. There have been signs of that over the last 4 games and if we maintain this style of play for the rest of the season I think most people would be confident of our chances next year. I do think we've left ourselves a bit too much to do this season though.
Absolute nonsense, we have no god given right to success just like any other team in the world.
Wrexham, Birmingham, Bolton, Reading, Huddersfield could all equally say they are as big if not bigger than us as a club. Ultimately you finish where you belong.
You are absolutely correct to say no one has a God given right to success.
But I look at it this way. I believe our natural position in the football league would be mid table in the championship.
So the 4 seasons in the top tier under Lawrence and the 8 seasons under Curbs we were definitely punching above our weight.
But every season we are playing in the 3rd division we are underachieving. This past 10 or 15 seasons we have sustained our longest period in the 3rd division including our lowest league position for 98 years.
So I think it's understandable that fans get frustrated with the way the club is being run and show their frustration on here.
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While he was reluctant to change the style, he does deserve credit for doing so. Many managers we’ve had refused to. Just a shame we weren’t playing this way in preseason and signed a couple more players for TC and Small’s roles.
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Some supposition there i grant you, but since no-one else has said it so far (as far i could see) i wanted to mention the Gavin Carter effect. It's just possible that that man gets you anything you wish for (within his orbit of influence- e.g not a pay-rise or a new spouse).
Wrexham, Birmingham, Bolton, Reading, Huddersfield could all equally say they are as big if not bigger than us as a club. Ultimately you finish where you belong.
But I look at it this way.
I believe our natural position in the football league would be mid table in the championship.
So the 4 seasons in the top tier under Lawrence and the 8 seasons under Curbs we were definitely punching above our weight.
But every season we are playing in the 3rd division we are underachieving.
This past 10 or 15 seasons we have sustained our longest period in the 3rd division including our lowest league position for 98 years.
So I think it's understandable that fans get frustrated with the way the club is being run and show their frustration on here.