I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

se9addick said:

JustFloydRoad said:

SouthLincsAddick said:

Callumcafc said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Callumcafc said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Scoham said:

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

We’re playing the worst football the valley has ever seen, have only managed to beat bottom placed Burton (who had 10 men) in the last 8 league games & are on track to repeat our ‘lowest finish for 98 years’ record but the owners do not see any immediate concern??

I think Gavin Carter’s new role suggests they have concerns but expect they don’t want to keep sacking managers. We’d likely end up with an appointment part way through the transfer window which isn’t ideal.

Unless there is a dramatic turnaround in our fortunes very soon, I will be amazed if Methven, Rodwell and Scott are still at Charlton come the start of next season.

At last, it looks like you're coming around to the fact we are in trouble.

If by trouble you mean treading water in League One, I know.

If by trouble you mean relegation, you’ve been saying that the last three years…

In the last 12 game form table we are firmly in the relegation zone. It took two changes of management to get us out of this position last season.

Think we are above Northampton now (also don't think today's game did harm to the goal difference) 😉

And in the last 1 game form table we’re top of the league!

Now we got Nathan we're fu**** clobblers
Allez Allez Allez

Said it on the post match thread. I’m not convinced. We shall see. 

thenewbie said:

fenlandaddick said:

Give the bloke some time. When it clicks, which I hope was  yesterday, we will have a great chance if getting promoted.

Let's see over the next few games if we can keep performing l.

Too much manager sacking when things don't look rosy in my opinion. Enjoy the journey and the lows make you appreciate the highs even more.

I'm sorry but I'm not buying this at all, the "when it clicks" stuff is bollocks. We've been absolutely awful for months, literally. We've not been unlucky, we've not been creating chances that we just failed to put away, we've not been letting in an unfortunate number of worldies.

We've been toothless up front, error prone in defence and had a midfield that can run around a lot but looks terrified of the actual ball itself.

That system, that method, never ever looked like "clicking" at all. Any POSSIBLE recovery (and even that is not confirmed yet) is by FINALLY giving up on the sufferball shite and attempting more progressive football.

Jones gets more time based on the latest couple of results and signs he might just change his system... but he's still been a massive disappointment so far this season, no matter how many goals we put past Northampton.

fenlandaddick said:

thenewbie said:

fenlandaddick said:

Give the bloke some time. When it clicks, which I hope was  yesterday, we will have a great chance if getting promoted.

Let's see over the next few games if we can keep performing l.

Too much manager sacking when things don't look rosy in my opinion. Enjoy the journey and the lows make you appreciate the highs even more.

I'm sorry but I'm not buying this at all, the "when it clicks" stuff is bollocks. We've been absolutely awful for months, literally. We've not been unlucky, we've not been creating chances that we just failed to put away, we've not been letting in an unfortunate number of worldies.

We've been toothless up front, error prone in defence and had a midfield that can run around a lot but looks terrified of the actual ball itself.

That system, that method, never ever looked like "clicking" at all. Any POSSIBLE recovery (and even that is not confirmed yet) is by FINALLY giving up on the sufferball shite and attempting more progressive football.

Jones gets more time based on the latest couple of results and signs he might just change his system... but he's still been a massive disappointment so far this season, no matter how many goals we put past Northampton.

I watched two of our academy graduates enjoy seeing their winning contributions to the game and they made a difference.

I can only imagine spending that much of ones life for those few moments, and then when I don't quite perform seeing grownup people shout and berate me from the stands and  also now from social media try and tell me I am not worthy.

Then as a manager of the game, when I try to change a whole club, that has been losing its way for so many years and for so many reasons, that this can be achieved in less than 12 months is quite frankly laughable.

There is no quick fix, there is no spend lots of money and become a Manchester club.

We need a complete rebuild, from culture, finance and structure. Perhaps Nathan can't take us to the Premiership but I believe he can, with all the support, take us to the top 4  EFL.

It is a journey, accept the lows.

We cannot keep sacking managers

I actually agree. I did say also that based on more recent performances I think Jones should and will get more time to make changes and hopefully see progress.

However that doesn't mean that the results and performances before that weren't awful, because they absolutely were. Jones has said for a long time that he's not happy with them himself but it's only been the last game (well game and a half technically) that he's tried anything different.

I fully accept the lows but that does not mean enjoying them or pretending that they are not lows - and the last few months under Jones have been about as low as it gets.

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Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Braziliance said:

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

Braziliance said:

Still not convinced, he beat a team who are in woeful form and without a manager. 

Win 5 in a row, then give some back to the fans. The little pops back are pathetic. 

There was nothing wrong with his post match interview.

He himself said…

”we need to follow this up & ensure Cambridge isn’t a damp squid”

&

”he’s happy for the fans who were magnificent & created a great atmosphere”

Didn’t see any pops at the fans at all in what he said yesterday.

More or less the first words he said were "we've had a lot of criticism, some justified, some not" 

As soon as he said that I switched off. Can't be fucked with that. You win 1 in 9 league games in this division, you're lucky you ain't sacked, let alone criticised. Especially with a transfer window and a pre-season to address it all.

Let's see where we are after the next 2 games, which are both very winnable home games. 

I don't really see that as a pop at the fans, he could mean anything. For all we know he might have been criticised by the board or the owners and told he has to do better.

I do agree that any criticism would be fully justified though, so not sure how he can say "some not".

I also think you're being a bit harsh, we were a mess last season and 1 transfer window and 1 pre-season is definitely not enough to address it all. He's definitely sorted the defence out, but clearly other areas need improving now as well. Look at a club like Man U, they (like us) have been a mess for years, and 1 transfer window won't be enough to address their problems.

Whoever it was a pop at, it was sulky and a reason why a fair few people can't stomach his interviews anymore. 

I don't think we are comparable to Man United. The Premier league is a different beast entirely. This is poxy league one. It's such a poor quality league. 

I understand you're comparing a club with expectations, but it's not the same. A better comparison for me would be "Look at Bradford in League2" who are way below where they should be, and are making a right mess of it. That's the situation we're in.

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

Braziliance said:

Still not convinced, he beat a team who are in woeful form and without a manager. 

Win 5 in a row, then give some back to the fans. The little pops back are pathetic. 

There was nothing wrong with his post match interview.

He himself said…

”we need to follow this up & ensure Cambridge isn’t a damp squid”

&

”he’s happy for the fans who were magnificent & created a great atmosphere”

Didn’t see any pops at the fans at all in what he said yesterday.

More or less the first words he said were "we've had a lot of criticism, some justified, some not" 

As soon as he said that I switched off. Can't be fucked with that. You win 1 in 9 league games in this division, you're lucky you ain't sacked, let alone criticised. Especially with a transfer window and a pre-season to address it all.

Let's see where we are after the next 2 games, which are both very winnable home games. 

Wycombe are unbeaten in 18 games and top of the league. Not sure that counts as very winnable 

7 points from the next 3 would be a very good showing 

Context again though. It would be very good if we weren't chasing a pack. It's a good return if we want mid-table. If the team want promotion, they  need to win the majority of home games. 

Luton were on a run in our last promotion and we stopped that. We gave Birmingham their first loss. It's poxy league1, any team should be fair game.

I'll be blunt, I will always be critical while we are in this league. I think it's a complete and utter joke of a league 

Jones is a good person who is sensitive to criticism. That is no reason to dislike him. 

If Jones gets offended and takes a pop at fans, I don't get offended. Communinication in interveiws is clearly not his strength and having an almost blind faith in his ability is actually not a bad thing. If it is unfounded, he will be gone at some point so no harm in him thinking he can turn it round rather than thinking he can't.

Us fans have an absolute right to call it as we see it and I'm sure most of us will continue to do so. Like most fans, I will probably go overboard with the praise  when there is something to praise but I will critcise when things are poor. My advice to Jones would be, don't get angry when fans call out poor performances and if you want to be smug, be smug on the back of sustained performances which of course we won't mind in those circumstances because all we want is this club to sort itself out.

I don't like him with the caveat I don't really know him. But he is not there for me to like him. He is there to get results.

paulsturgess said:

bromleyjohn said:

Jones is a good person who is sensitive to criticism. That is no reason to dislike him. 

Jones is an egotistical / arrogant bad loser who appears incapable of introspection and has treated players poorly on multiple occasions. Not saying he’s a bad person, but there’s a lot one could dislike about him 

Based on what?