Next England Manager - Thomas Tuchel

Addick Addict said:

The more I hear from Tuchel and the FA's view, via Mark Bellingham, on his appointment, the more I believe that this is a stop gap from both sides. Tuchel is not a long term international manager (as he says "he's used to 18 months") and would prefer to be managing one of Europe's top sides - but who is going to give him that gig at the moment?  Bellingham also indicated that some of those that were interviewed for the job "wanted it more than others but that Tuchel wanted it the most". That suggests to me that, perhaps, the FA have one or two in mind who might be more committed at the end of next season e.g. Pep or Howe. 

Surely that depends on how well he does though right?

First thing I said to everyone when he was appointed was, "I wonder if he's had a tangled love-life."

My main problem with Tuchel is that he is known for playing players out of position to fit whatever formation/system he employs.  At Chelsea he was playing forwards as wingbacks and Mount in a more deeper holding role.  Not sure we have the wingbacks to play his preferred 3421 formation

Rob said:

Addick Addict said:

The more I hear from Tuchel and the FA's view, via Mark Bellingham, on his appointment, the more I believe that this is a stop gap from both sides. Tuchel is not a long term international manager (as he says "he's used to 18 months") and would prefer to be managing one of Europe's top sides - but who is going to give him that gig at the moment?  Bellingham also indicated that some of those that were interviewed for the job "wanted it more than others but that Tuchel wanted it the most". That suggests to me that, perhaps, the FA have one or two in mind who might be more committed at the end of next season e.g. Pep or Howe. 

Surely that depends on how well he does though right? 

Of course it will from our side if he does do well but that might not be in his plans even if he does (if anything, winning the WC will make him worth even more to top clubs) and why it might suit us from the perspective too assuming that we have someone else in mind in 18 months. Capello's first contract was 4.5 years and Eriksson's was 5 years. So why only 18 months for Tuchel and why has he accepted such a short contract? There's no longevity in the relationship in doing so which is why I said that it probably suits both sides to have that relatively short term contract. That's not to say that if everything is going well at that point and Tuchel wants to stay on that won't happen but one or both sides want that door open at that time.    

guinnessaddick said:

Asked the man with a German wife.

Which should underline the point he's not anti German or xenophobic in this statement.

People aren't saying no to German club managers but as usual the lazy narrative is it's xenophobic/ bigoted to think/ desire that a national manager should be of that nation for a football nation of the status of England.

could well be good for England and Tuchel .. he seems to be a man who quickly falls out with those around him, the fact that he will only have the players for very limited amounts of time might allow him to be cooler and more constructive in his interpersonal dealings .. as for the players they will not have him to deal with on a day to day basis .. he is clearly a man who understands tactics and to get his ideas across .. (lastly) the fact that his initial contract is just for 18 months means that if he totally pisses everybody off and fails miserably, it won't cost umpteen €s to get rid of him

Don't care if he's Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, what are these...

Just make me want to watch an England match for entertainment and not as an exercise with thumb screws, yelling "back to fucking Pickford" at the telly like a demented fool!

Bostonaddick said:

My main problem with Tuchel is that he is known for playing players out of position to fit whatever formation/system he employs.  At Chelsea he was playing forwards as wingbacks and Mount in a more deeper holding role.  Not sure we have the wingbacks to play his preferred 3421 formation

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CAFCDAZ said:

I think it's diabolical. Call me old fashioned but how can we genuinely feel happy about a GERMAN managing the national team? if Gareth Southgate was made Argentina manager, i reckon they'd riot. 

Gareth Southgate managing Messi (and getting him to track back). I would love to see that

swordfish said:

Otto Rehaggel (German) won the Euros coaching Greece in 2004, so proving that there's nothing in a non national's DNA that prevents them from achieving success coaching another country's players. See more recently our own women's team success!

I don't suppose the celebrations in Greece were tempered by his nationality, nor the achievement undermined by it, yet I'm sure they are as proud and patriotic about their nation as we are of ours.

The example you have referenced there is the only single instance of a foreign manager winning a World Cup or Euros for their country, ever. 

https://x.com/WeAreTheOverlap/status/1846525428615246081?t=2tLZWMSvXp3WPZUk5GQjng&s=19

I make Neville and Carragher spot on. I disagree there's a credible England coach though, as Neville has said. The only one I'd even like the idea of is Howe (would have preferred him to Tuchel) but Carragher is right about the whole purpose of international football.

Quite shocked at how many silly comparisons have been made on social media, like what food people eat, what car they drive etc. Bloody ridiculous thought process and not even slightly relevant 😂

Hal1x said:

RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

guinnessaddick said:

Asked the man with a German wife.

Which should underline the point he's not anti German or xenophobic in this statement.

People aren't saying no to German club managers but as usual the lazy narrative is it's xenophobic/ bigoted to think/ desire that a national manager should be of that nation for a football nation of the status of England.

So you are saying the Daily Mail isn't xenophobic or bigoted on this one occasion, when its DNA make up is normally xenophobic and bigoted, and we should give them the benefit of a doubt. Well I have thought it over and, I say bullshit!, it's a horrible newspaper and seemingly always works to its own borderline racist little England agenda (oh that and all the Female claptrap!).

No I'm not saying that at all. 

I haven't mentioned the Daily Mail.

RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

guinnessaddick said:

Asked the man with a German wife.

Which should underline the point he's not anti German or xenophobic in this statement.

People aren't saying no to German club managers but as usual the lazy narrative is it's xenophobic/ bigoted to think/ desire that a national manager should be of that nation for a football nation of the status of England.

My other half who is very much on the left said the same thing to me when I said I'm not happy about his appointment "xenophobic", I disagreed purely on the basis that I don't want anyone Scottish/German/Argentinian managing an England team, any other nationality, don't care.
Those nations are our fiercest footballing rivals for different reasons, that's it, no other reason

RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

It's also cheating a bit in my view. Just getting the best coach/ manager regardless of their nationality. Not what international competition is about in my view but perhaps in this global world international competition is on borrowed time and diluting it with non national managers is just a symptom.

Well it's definitely not cheating because any other top level nation could do the same. 

But out of interest seeing as you've been pretty clear on this thread that the manager should be English, which manager who was available would you have given the job to?