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POST-MATCH THREAD: Wigan Athletic v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 10th August 2024: KO 17:30
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I think you are right but the same could be said about us and we both agree that it was the bounce that the defender misread that led to the goal, I think we both agree it was probably our defence that won us the day, and you haven't heard that phrase too often in the last few years.Garrymanilow said:
I'm not, I covered them when I said that we dealt with everything before they got the shot away. That's the point, it's all very well Wigan trying to create but we were so organised and had such good shape that we didn't even let those chances register as shots on goal. It's not like we lived dangerously, even in their best passages Wigan found themselves unable to trouble Mannion. You can't win if you can't even get a shot away.Bailey said:
You are forgetting Ramsey's saving tackle and Edwards saving diving header. Both sides created little, Jones finish is great but it comes from a mistake by there defender in misjudging the bounce, we didn't make that sort of mistake and probably deserved to win it on that stat alone.Garrymanilow said:
I don't think Wigan could have won it. On the very rare occasion they got a sight of goal there was a defender there to deal with it. Aside from a deflected shot wide we dealt with everything before they even got the shot away. Wigan were tidy and had a lot of the ball but that back 5 weren't letting them near it todayBailey said:That was an excellent performance in a very tight game, either side could have won it but we looked more certain at the back with Jones and Mitchell outstanding. The last ditch header away by Edwards and the saving tackle by Ramsey were highlights but the two centre backs won everything in the air. Midfield worked hard but didn't seem to want to push on, maybe because of Campbell not being able to find space.0 -
I thought Wigan away was a tough start and we came through it by getting a clean sheet. Something we struggled with all of last season. Our passing was a bit off but I think the fact we were focussing on a defensive display contributed to that as as we got higher up the pitch there were fewer options. I think from hearing recent Jones interviews, he prioritised that and this is the start not the finish. When you play the formation we did, it can be offensive depending how high the wing backs play. Mostly they focused on the defensive side yesterday.
We have to be honest, and whilst we limited Wigan to acouple of half chances and one really good chance, which was thwarted by a great tackle, Asgaard took far too long with it though, on another day we could have drawn or lost that match. So still work to do, but I am satisfied. It felt before we scored we were starting to look for a goal. It still felt a bit like we were undercooked and it probably won't happen but I think we should play a strong team in the cup game as some players out there still need game time IMO.3 -
Pretty terrible match, but a lovely three points! Thought we looked solid, hoping we can add some more flair and creativity over the coming weeks but will take that as a starting point.Great away day in the sun, lots of nice pubs.3
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Still in Wigan , stayed in hotel .
fucking petrolhead wanted to go to an away game I really didn’t wanna go so him and Peter Kay came with me , I’d rather have watched boffins 🦆 playing cricket (they tied with 3 off the last ball ) or stayed at home with little shit but mrs said she’d drive then (when she clearly meant if you don’t take them then I’d be kicked in to whatever is lower than the dog house I’m always in )
over 4 hours drive to watch 3rd division guff
thank fuck for the result but that was dull, proper dull , zero guile
wigan were shit and won’t make top 6 we could make top 6 but need some attacking threat
ahadme is £1m if we win the womens World Cup cos he’s not worth £10k on that showing
on to the good bits
Edwards brilliant
defensIvely so solid
doc solid
Campbell has 🥩’d up
mitchell although a slight lack of pace will die for the cause , Coventry was all action .
No one will roll over us and we won’t roll over anyone on that showing .
Defensively 8.5/10
attacking wise 4/10
good finish from Lloyd Jones too
the result is all that matters and we got that so we move on .
’Sky Tv , fucking shit ‘ the best Nostradamus chant of the day , having skimmed the match thread Uboat actually is Nostradamus 🙌
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The game wasn't a good watch. Maybe last season would have been a better one but we would have conceded and quite probably lost. (I know we beat them last season but I am talking generally). As for Wigan they had a few spells where they played a bit of football but lacked an attacking cutting edge. Our goal was down to a defensive error which is what plagued us last season. I was thinking they were missing a player like Leaburn and then I realised, we were too. The sooner he is back and fully fit the better.3
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I thought Ahadme did well, won a lot of flicks and worked hard19
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The three points were what mattered, and we were pretty solid, particularly defensively, but we were a tad lucky to get more than a draw.Still, our odds for the title , which were 14/1 before kick off - and 16/1 for most of the summer - have been cut to 10/1.
Meanwhile Kamala Harris has gone from 3/1 to 4/5 in the same period. Co-incidentally we’re about 4/5 to beat Orient on Saturday.
We look like a very different Charlton this season. Let’s hope the momentum continues to build. Green shoots, an’ all that.4 -
Lloyd Jones said that, not Nathan JonesSouthbank said:
Edwards proved he is an excellent full back today.fenaddick said:Thierry Small might struggle for minutes if Edwards can play like that most weeks. Don’t think any of us predicted saying that in May
But he did nothing really as a wing back leaving Campbell completely unsupported on the left side of the attack.
We got a good result today without creating any real chances after the Docherty one at the start.
Slightly alarming to see NJ say that 1-0 is the best result in football. I would prefer 3-0 myself, or even 3-1.
But it looks like a season of attrition ahead.0 -
I thought so too. He even pronounced Chuks Aneke exactly like Chuks does. And of course Terry and Greg commentate as if it’s radio, which they have to of course, but it’s not 100% ideal.SoundAsa£ said:What a monumental fuck up from Sky…..mind you, the commentator for our game was top class.2 -
The cross was a bit high and slightly behind him, so wasn't the easiest of chances.Jac_52 said:We didn't really offer much in the final third and on another day could have conceded but for some excellent interventions from both our fullbacks and a bit of luck that their sub fluffed his header straight into mannions arms. Clean sheet on the road and 3 points though so job done.0 -
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I think we need to put to bed the idea that these three points were a smash and grab result. That implies something completely different to what we saw yesterday. We were never dominated or rode our luck. It was a controlled back foot display where I think Jones saw the most important thing was to keep hold of the point we started with. Wigan isn’t the easiest places we’ll visit this season and the tactics were pretty flawless if not expansive. I think we’ll see a lot of what we saw yesterday when we’re on our travels this season. As long as we can be a more front foot team at The Valley, I think we might be onto something. That defensive display was definitely top six.18
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I do fear for Wigan this season, this really does call the manager's judgment into question.ButtleJR said:Just watched the Wigan managers post match interview. He predicts we'll finish in the top 2! Hope he's right lol. Great defensive performance and day, that's how you win away in this league. Delighted.7 -
"Almost impossible to play intricate passes through them in the final third." Don't think a manager will have thought that about us for yearsGribbo said:17 -
Gracious and pleasant. Very likeable, this one. Hope Wigan have a good seasonGribbo said:11 -
Indeed got thrown by the 'Jones says' headline, apologies.crookester said:
Lloyd Jones said that, not Nathan JonesSouthbank said:
Edwards proved he is an excellent full back today.fenaddick said:Thierry Small might struggle for minutes if Edwards can play like that most weeks. Don’t think any of us predicted saying that in May
But he did nothing really as a wing back leaving Campbell completely unsupported on the left side of the attack.
We got a good result today without creating any real chances after the Docherty one at the start.
Slightly alarming to see NJ say that 1-0 is the best result in football. I would prefer 3-0 myself, or even 3-1.
But it looks like a season of attrition ahead.2 -
An away win (or draw) is always to be celebrated.
As to our prospects for the season let's look at the table after 10 games.3 -
Aside from the fact negativity has become a badge of honour for some on here and force of habit for others, I think it will take about 6 or 7 games of this working as intended before people are willing to accept it's a feature and not a bug. In the Powell season towards the end we started creaking a little bit and some knees started knocking. We got three consecutive miserable 1-0s though and secured promotion. We did the same against both the Sheffield clubs and then Exeter who we beat with an accidental Green goal. People just saw that as what you do to get through the league though, because we had plenty of good performances and results in the bank at that point. It's hard to get super excited off one result without any context but it's not worth complaining about either when you've got a clean sheet win away first game of the season. Jones teams tend to do this, and then sometimes the press kills a team and they score 4 or 5 - or 7 on a couple of occasions. I'm completely happy with some decent results at home, the odd big away win for the long-suffering ones who follow everywhere and the rest miserable soul destroying 1-0 wins. I don't want to play Shrewsbury anymore.DDOUBLEE said:We were NEVER going to get a free flowing performance on the first game of the season away at Wigan, we’ve won, we’ve kept a clean sheet, we’re obviously not completely up to speed yet so I just can’t understand negativity
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There are some take outs. Yesterday's game suggested we are going to be harder to beat this season. I don't think we can know how good a season it will be but the things we can take from one game are positive overall. I agree, we need to see over a number of games but this was a good start.0
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Not sure what the Wigan fans will make of that Shaun Maloney post match interview. The way he talked up his players and their performance seemed a tad deluded to me. I’m not suggesting Wigan were poor because they weren’t but I think some of the superlatives used were lacking in reality. They didn’t dominate any more than they were allowed to and created very little. I think Wigan will be up there challenging for top six, I really do but that interview was very rose tinted.6
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I think he was actually complementing us as he was judging their performance based on our quality. Time will tell if he was right but it is still early days.ShootersHillGuru said:Not sure what the Wigan fans will make of that Shaun Maloney post match interview. The way he talked up his players and their performance seemed a tad deluded to me. I’m not suggesting Wigan were poor because they weren’t but I think some of the superlatives used were lacking in reality. They didn’t dominate any more than they were allowed to and created very little. I think Wigan will be up there challenging for top six, I really do but that interview was very rose tinted.0 -
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we are a weird bunch of supporters 😂 first game away at Wigan and we get 3 points and a clean sheet ! But somehow that’s because Wigan are poor and will struggle this year !For the first time in years there seems to be a plan which the players can buy into. I personally would take any amount of 1-0 victories against poor teams this season 😂16
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Sometimes the post match interview is more for the players and for morale than anything else. It's the first game of the season, they did what he asked but found themselves up against a brick wall. That won't happen every week and he's trying to keep his players feeling positive and together at the very start of a new season as well as keeping a positive energy for the fans. If he'd been miserable and frustrated he could have sucked the air out of the start of their season. I think he's just done his job there.ShootersHillGuru said:Not sure what the Wigan fans will make of that Shaun Maloney post match interview. The way he talked up his players and their performance seemed a tad deluded to me. I’m not suggesting Wigan were poor because they weren’t but I think some of the superlatives used were lacking in reality. They didn’t dominate any more than they were allowed to and created very little. I think Wigan will be up there challenging for top six, I really do but that interview was very rose tinted.
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I thought first half Wigan passed the ball quite well and broke our press a few times. Matt Smith played some nice intricate balls through the lines but they had nothing in the final third at all.Also not sure Adahme deserves stick, thought he made himself a handful on what were pretty aimless 50 yard balls clipped forward towards his vicinity.Three points away at one of the better sides in the league on the opening day coupled with a clean sheet. Happy days.14
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Feels good, doesn’t it!0
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Solid, well organised back line. Haven’t been able to say that in an eternity. 3 points a bonus from a tough opener.Would have rather seen Kanu partner Gass, but I understand why jones went the way he did. Look forward to see how we set up to dominate.0
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There was nothing negative about our display yesterday.
Wigan are credible, the vast majority of their acquisitions are from the premier league.Presumably we had to travel up on Friday and twiddle thumbs waiting for that stupid kick off time and we kicked the wrong way for them so they got the glare of the sun second half after we rode the glare out.Godden wasn’t available in order to add a bit more of an option, absolutely no player hid, Alex Mitchell was (in my opinion) thrown a bit by his early head injury (note to medical staff, a great big white head bandage looks so much better than what Mitchell was given yesterday), the substitutions were excellently timed and Nathan Jones held his nerve to see what Wigan would do with their substitutions first. The goal from Jones was beautifully taken, the tackle from Ramsey was Costaesque, the interventions from Fraser were superb and we saw his long throw for the first time, every player made a good contribution as long as they were on the pitch (you paying attention Fraser?), and our away support was terrific.
So what are the downsides?
None apart from the stupid yellow cards for Anderson and Nathan Jones.How can there be any other downsides with a clean sheet away win first game of the season and three lovely points?2 -
Hard to tell at this stage, but I think people are sleeping on Wigan a little bit.
They are technically good and very well coached.They made the pitch super small for us, and overloaded us in the middle by pushing their full backs into the middle of the park - with Matt Smith dropping inbetween the lines to keep the ball moving.i
We defended exceptionally well as their manager said, and should all be positive about that.
I’m interested to see how we perform when we are meant to be the ‘dominant’ team. Something we have not been great at.4 -
Fraser !!!!!!!!seth plum said:There was nothing negative about our display yesterday.
Wigan are credible, the vast majority of their acquisitions are from the premier league.Presumably we had to travel up on Friday and twiddle thumbs waiting for that stupid kick off time and we kicked the wrong way for them so they got the glare of the sun second half after we rode the glare out.Godden wasn’t available in order to add a bit more of an option, absolutely no player hid, Alex Mitchell was (in my opinion) thrown a bit by his early head injury (note to medical staff, a great big white head bandage looks so much better than what Mitchell was given yesterday), the substitutions were excellently timed and Nathan Jones held his nerve to see what Wigan would do with their substitutions first. The goal from Jones was beautifully taken, the tackle from Ramsey was Costaesque, the interventions from Fraser were superb and we saw his long throw for the first time, every player made a good contribution as long as they were on the pitch (you paying attention Fraser?), and our away support was terrific.
So what are the downsides?
None apart from the stupid yellow cards for Anderson and Nathan Jones.How can there be any other downsides with a clean sheet away win first game of the season and three lovely points?2 -
Has he been transferred out?ShootersHillGuru said:
Fraser !!!!!!!!seth plum said:There was nothing negative about our display yesterday.
Wigan are credible, the vast majority of their acquisitions are from the premier league.Presumably we had to travel up on Friday and twiddle thumbs waiting for that stupid kick off time and we kicked the wrong way for them so they got the glare of the sun second half after we rode the glare out.Godden wasn’t available in order to add a bit more of an option, absolutely no player hid, Alex Mitchell was (in my opinion) thrown a bit by his early head injury (note to medical staff, a great big white head bandage looks so much better than what Mitchell was given yesterday), the substitutions were excellently timed and Nathan Jones held his nerve to see what Wigan would do with their substitutions first. The goal from Jones was beautifully taken, the tackle from Ramsey was Costaesque, the interventions from Fraser were superb and we saw his long throw for the first time, every player made a good contribution as long as they were on the pitch (you paying attention Fraser?), and our away support was terrific.
So what are the downsides?
None apart from the stupid yellow cards for Anderson and Nathan Jones.How can there be any other downsides with a clean sheet away win first game of the season and three lovely points?1 -
I agree however when he did win and knock the ball down there was nobody there to feed off them. However he is painfully slowmattinfinland said:I thought Ahadme did well, won a lot of flicks and worked hard0
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