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MATCH THREAD [+POST p11]: Reading vs Charlton Athletic: B.S.M Trophy: Wed 6th Dec 2023 | KO 19.00
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another route to Wembley gone - oh well
not sure I get the Hector love in - yes he had a better game but still made some very questionable passes across our own back 4. He can go from 'Beckenbauer to Berry' in seconds
Also thought AMB's positioning for their goal was pretty poor, it was a screamer that hit the top corner that's for sure
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Really hope Jones isn't injured, as Thomas looked really dodgy when he came on1
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It wasn't just his passing (or penalty), it was the constant goal-saving challenges and proactive interceptions to stop attacks, it was absolutely imperious stuff - he's played like that a few times in between the occasional error. He's a scapegoat for some reason (the errors I suppose) but at his best he's one of our two or three best players, easilyElthamaddick said:another route to Wembley gone - oh well
not sure I get the Hector love in - yes he had a better game but still made some very questionable passes across our own back 4. He can go from 'Beckenbauer to Berry' in seconds
Also thought AMB's positioning for their goal was pretty poor, it was a screamer that hit the top corner that's for sure1 -
Both Dobbo and Jones sounded precautionary from Apples post match stuff, so should be fine...🤞Covered_End_Lad said:Really hope Jones isn't injured, as Thomas looked really dodgy when he came on0 -
I didn't attend or watch so I can't judge the team. I just wanted to comment on our own fans having a pop at our own fans.
I don't see a positive outcome from it. The fan who was yelling at the end, has forked out cash, travelled and is fed up of watching bad football (from how it sounds). I am not saying he is right for going a bit mental, but I have no issue with fans who go to games and actually care about the team. That particular fan will be here long after any of those players or manager will be, so jumping on him isn't going to do any good.
I've seen comments online (not here) such as 'I hate our toxic fan base' 'he should never be allowed back to the valley' Jesus wept mate, do you think we are the only club that has fans like that?
I am not endorsing players abuse, but the more these players put in terrible performances and are not criticised for it, the more they'll feel comfortable doing it.
I am not saying start calling players shit and booing, but if they keep no showing, they're hardly worth staying behind for and clapping.12 -
Attempts to divide the fan base always fail because we all want the same thing,RaplhMilne said:Not caring about this cup is absolutely irrelevant. We have now been absolute turd for 3 games on trot… an are highly likely to be so again on Saturday. If the happy clappy never allowed to criticise fans are ok with that, then fine. But, some of us are VERY DISAPPOINTED
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I also find it largely concerning that Appleton has approached fans and encouraged that bloke in saying so much. It is never a good sign when managers start interacting with fans like that in a negative way, it's a complete slip up.
Replying back to a fan saying 'we are not' when he's calling you shit just comes across immature. He's completely focused on the one toxic fan which tells me has confrontational issues. Engage with the fans who are positive, do your little clap, walk away and turn it around next game. What good is going to come from repeatedly arguing with one fan? School playground stuff that.
It's a bit different if it's unavoidable, but to actually stand there and encourage it just shows he's feeling the pressure a bit imo. I didn't like his demeanour from that video at all
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Yeah he's played well a few times, last night being one of them. No one will convince me he's been anything other than poor overall this season though.Leuth said:
It wasn't just his passing (or penalty), it was the constant goal-saving challenges and proactive interceptions to stop attacks, it was absolutely imperious stuff - he's played like that a few times in between the occasional error. He's a scapegoat for some reason (the errors I suppose) but at his best he's one of our two or three best players, easilyElthamaddick said:another route to Wembley gone - oh well
not sure I get the Hector love in - yes he had a better game but still made some very questionable passes across our own back 4. He can go from 'Beckenbauer to Berry' in seconds
Also thought AMB's positioning for their goal was pretty poor, it was a screamer that hit the top corner that's for sure5 -
I tend to agree @Braziliance although the fan in question might get more respect if he didn't seem so off his head. Think in general, our fans are a lot more forgiving and light than most fanbases.
I remember Ipswich at The Valley under Paul Cook when we beat them 2-0. I think one of their fans got on the pitch and pushed the goalkeeper alongside their row with Nsiala.
I also recall Curbs' story about the difference between managing us and West Ham, and the Hammers fan he bumped into at the petrol station who shoved a finger in his chest and told him to "fcking sort it out!"
The fact is, we are at our lowest ever ebb and we have every right to be absolutely sick of it.9 -
Terry Jones - "obviously the fans, players and management all wanted to win the game".Callumcafc said:Reasonable assessment here I thought.
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I would never personally shout abuse at our players, don't enjoy it but unless it is done in a bigoted way then those fans have put in the effort and money to turn up, fair play.
Weirdly I thought we played quite well though and enjoyed the match until Appleton gambled and lost by throwing on too many kids.
It may due to Saturday being so god awful that anything would seem better in comparison though.1 -
It certainly won't make a player play better if fans act like that Ipswich fan did, that's disgusting.Chunes said:I tend to agree @Braziliance although the fan in question might get more respect if he didn't seem so off his head. Think in general, our fans are a lot more forgiving and light than most fanbases.
I remember Ipswich at The Valley under Paul Cook when we beat them 2-0. I think one of their fans got on the pitch and pushed the goalkeeper alongside their row with they with Nsiala.
I also recall Curbs' story about the difference between managing us and West Ham, and the Hammers fan he bumped into at the petrol station who shoved a finger in his chest and told him to "fcking sort it out!"
The fact is, we are at our lowest ever ebb and we have every right to be absolutely sick of it.
I can say with confidence though, if you keep clapping off underperforming players, they will keep showing up half arsed. It's in most humans nature's to get away with the bare minimum, you see it in all jobs in life, it's no different from sports. It's all about separating the wheat from the chaff, finding out who's here to improve themselves and who's here cause it pays them.
How many of these do you truly think will be gutted if we don't get promoted? I reckon there'd be more less bothered than bothered personally. Some already know they'll get an opportunity to play at a higher level, some know they've already got lucky to be playing at this level.
It's characters like Alfie May who get you progressing through the football pyramid, we need more like him with the combined skill if we are to get anywhere.6 -
Excellent comments as always Braziliance, saw the Appleton post match interval ''Fans only disappointed because we lost'' talk about stating the obvious! Sadly think we're going to get used to more of these disappointments.Braziliance said:I didn't attend or watch so I can't judge the team. I just wanted to comment on our own fans having a pop at our own fans.
I don't see a positive outcome from it. The fan who was yelling at the end, has forked out cash, travelled and is fed up of watching bad football (from how it sounds). I am not saying he is right for going a bit mental, but I have no issue with fans who go to games and actually care about the team. That particular fan will be here long after any of those players or manager will be, so jumping on him isn't going to do any good.
I've seen comments online (not here) such as 'I hate our toxic fan base' 'he should never be allowed back to the valley' Jesus wept mate, do you think we are the only club that has fans like that?
I am not endorsing players abuse, but the more these players put in terrible performances and are not criticised for it, the more they'll feel comfortable doing it.
I am not saying start calling players shit and booing, but if they keep no showing, they're hardly worth staying behind for and clapping.2 -
And less and less fans.Silverdreammachine said:
Excellent comments as always Braziliance, saw the Appleton post match interval ''Fans only disappointed because we lost'' talk about stating the obvious! Sadly think we're going to get used to more of these disappointments.Braziliance said:I didn't attend or watch so I can't judge the team. I just wanted to comment on our own fans having a pop at our own fans.
I don't see a positive outcome from it. The fan who was yelling at the end, has forked out cash, travelled and is fed up of watching bad football (from how it sounds). I am not saying he is right for going a bit mental, but I have no issue with fans who go to games and actually care about the team. That particular fan will be here long after any of those players or manager will be, so jumping on him isn't going to do any good.
I've seen comments online (not here) such as 'I hate our toxic fan base' 'he should never be allowed back to the valley' Jesus wept mate, do you think we are the only club that has fans like that?
I am not endorsing players abuse, but the more these players put in terrible performances and are not criticised for it, the more they'll feel comfortable doing it.
I am not saying start calling players shit and booing, but if they keep no showing, they're hardly worth staying behind for and clapping.1 -
Think we have to remember we haven't seen the whole exchange so must of us don't know what made Appleton go over. I think someone said the individual was hurling abuse at the young players and don't see a problem with Appleton wanting to protect them. If my boss stepped in to stop someone having a go at me I'd want to work even harder for them10
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Yeah, you didn't watch, clearly. They played pretty well and tried hard. They could easily have won. To be abused by some coked-up twat afterwards is absurd. I don't give a shit if that fan is one of ours and he forked out cash and travelled, he's completely out of orderBraziliance said:I didn't attend or watch so I can't judge the team. I just wanted to comment on our own fans having a pop at our own fans.
I don't see a positive outcome from it. The fan who was yelling at the end, has forked out cash, travelled and is fed up of watching bad football (from how it sounds). I am not saying he is right for going a bit mental, but I have no issue with fans who go to games and actually care about the team. That particular fan will be here long after any of those players or manager will be, so jumping on him isn't going to do any good.
I've seen comments online (not here) such as 'I hate our toxic fan base' 'he should never be allowed back to the valley' Jesus wept mate, do you think we are the only club that has fans like that?
I am not endorsing players abuse, but the more these players put in terrible performances and are not criticised for it, the more they'll feel comfortable doing it.
I am not saying start calling players shit and booing, but if they keep no showing, they're hardly worth staying behind for and clapping.7 -
You could have watched the match, Golfie.golfaddick said:
As is becoming the norm the opposition are having a lot more chances than us. I know "highlights" dont always tell the full story but looks like we could have been beaten in normal time by 3 or 4.clive said:
Sure Reading missed some clear chances from which they should have scored, but so did we.
It was actually quite a decent match to watch becoming increasingly open and end to end stuff in that last 10 or15 minutes, played with all the fervour of a proper cup tie.
The highlights rarely show the balance of play, as you say.
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"Beckenbauer to Berry"Elthamaddick said:another route to Wembley gone - oh well
not sure I get the Hector love in - yes he had a better game but still made some very questionable passes across our own back 4. He can go from 'Beckenbauer to Berry' in seconds
Also thought AMB's positioning for their goal was pretty poor, it was a screamer that hit the top corner that's for sure
Dear old Les Berry. The epitome of the loyal club servant and defender with occasionally unreliable tendencies.
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Are you ok mate? My opening line covered that I didnt watch the game. I've not even had a pop at Hector this time.Leuth said:
Yeah, you didn't watch, clearly. They played pretty well and tried hard. They could easily have won. To be abused by some coked-up twat afterwards is absurd. I don't give a shit if that fan is one of ours and he forked out cash and travelled, he's completely out of orderBraziliance said:I didn't attend or watch so I can't judge the team. I just wanted to comment on our own fans having a pop at our own fans.
I don't see a positive outcome from it. The fan who was yelling at the end, has forked out cash, travelled and is fed up of watching bad football (from how it sounds). I am not saying he is right for going a bit mental, but I have no issue with fans who go to games and actually care about the team. That particular fan will be here long after any of those players or manager will be, so jumping on him isn't going to do any good.
I've seen comments online (not here) such as 'I hate our toxic fan base' 'he should never be allowed back to the valley' Jesus wept mate, do you think we are the only club that has fans like that?
I am not endorsing players abuse, but the more these players put in terrible performances and are not criticised for it, the more they'll feel comfortable doing it.
I am not saying start calling players shit and booing, but if they keep no showing, they're hardly worth staying behind for and clapping.
Football fan abuses players on pitch, what's new? Happens at every level and every club. I am far more concerned about a club that's evidently falling away, than a singular fan who's got wound up.
Trying hard is the minimum and I've seen these lot enough times to know playing well is a bit of a myth, teams who play well don't fail to win so consistently.
The stats from the team that could have 'easily' won.
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I just think the optimism dies sooner now.Silverdreammachine said:
Excellent comments as always Braziliance, saw the Appleton post match interval ''Fans only disappointed because we lost'' talk about stating the obvious! Sadly think we're going to get used to more of these disappointments.Braziliance said:I didn't attend or watch so I can't judge the team. I just wanted to comment on our own fans having a pop at our own fans.
I don't see a positive outcome from it. The fan who was yelling at the end, has forked out cash, travelled and is fed up of watching bad football (from how it sounds). I am not saying he is right for going a bit mental, but I have no issue with fans who go to games and actually care about the team. That particular fan will be here long after any of those players or manager will be, so jumping on him isn't going to do any good.
I've seen comments online (not here) such as 'I hate our toxic fan base' 'he should never be allowed back to the valley' Jesus wept mate, do you think we are the only club that has fans like that?
I am not endorsing players abuse, but the more these players put in terrible performances and are not criticised for it, the more they'll feel comfortable doing it.
I am not saying start calling players shit and booing, but if they keep no showing, they're hardly worth staying behind for and clapping.
It is groundhog day, every transfer window, manager, performances, sound bites, owners, everything. It's the same every season.
I don't blame anyone for getting pissed off, I don't think it's the right thing to do but I can see why.
Like I said Saturday, never booed players, never abused players (at the game). I am not someone who is aggressive but I did find myself telling the players not to bother and I wanted to vent at them proper. I can see the players hiding every week.
They're very lucky our fans are a reasonable bunch collectively, as over the years it would have been hell for some of these frauds who put on the shirt with some of these performances they turn in3 -
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Aren't stats a wonderful thing..
Truth be known either side could have won in open play, looking at that stat, the fouls stand out at 15, (one in particular when Rylah was hauled back when through on the right), and a lot of those broke up promising openings for us, but we had a useless ref, who, if he had stamped a bit of authority early doors (only one yellow card), we could have maybe had a better shots stat, anyway we lost, so we move onto Saturday, and a game that actually matters...2 -
Beckenbauer to Berry !!!Elthamaddick said:another route to Wembley gone - oh well
not sure I get the Hector love in - yes he had a better game but still made some very questionable passes across our own back 4. He can go from 'Beckenbauer to Berry' in seconds
Also thought AMB's positioning for their goal was pretty poor, it was a screamer that hit the top corner that's for sureShowing your age there !!0 -
OK we lost on penalties
But the worrying thing is
they played a simple long ball & was winning every second ball off of them
They done this most of the game & neither the manager or our players reacted to this & just allowed them to carry on & if they was a better side they would have beaten us easy
We need to work on this side of our game ASAP
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PWR: I had the game on, but I wasn't too invested in it. All this has proved (what we already knew) is that our squad has absolutely no depth and it will take the mother of all January windows to get us anywhere near the play-offs and I simply don't see that happening.
As for May's penalty, the GK got into his head and stood there pointing left & right, so it was obvious Alfie was gonna smack it dead centre.2 -
The stats do not reveal the quality of chances, the balance of play before and after Dobson went off, the number of times Campbell lost the ball in the last third, or that their goal was a 30 yard hit without which they'd have lostBraziliance said:
Are you ok mate? My opening line covered that I didnt watch the game. I've not even had a pop at Hector this time.Leuth said:
Yeah, you didn't watch, clearly. They played pretty well and tried hard. They could easily have won. To be abused by some coked-up twat afterwards is absurd. I don't give a shit if that fan is one of ours and he forked out cash and travelled, he's completely out of orderBraziliance said:I didn't attend or watch so I can't judge the team. I just wanted to comment on our own fans having a pop at our own fans.
I don't see a positive outcome from it. The fan who was yelling at the end, has forked out cash, travelled and is fed up of watching bad football (from how it sounds). I am not saying he is right for going a bit mental, but I have no issue with fans who go to games and actually care about the team. That particular fan will be here long after any of those players or manager will be, so jumping on him isn't going to do any good.
I've seen comments online (not here) such as 'I hate our toxic fan base' 'he should never be allowed back to the valley' Jesus wept mate, do you think we are the only club that has fans like that?
I am not endorsing players abuse, but the more these players put in terrible performances and are not criticised for it, the more they'll feel comfortable doing it.
I am not saying start calling players shit and booing, but if they keep no showing, they're hardly worth staying behind for and clapping.
Football fan abuses players on pitch, what's new? Happens at every level and every club. I am far more concerned about a club that's evidently falling away, than a singular fan who's got wound up.
Trying hard is the minimum and I've seen these lot enough times to know playing well is a bit of a myth, teams who play well don't fail to win so consistently.
The stats from the team that could have 'easily' won.2 -
Do we have any proof of this?Leuth said:
Yeah, you didn't watch, clearly. They played pretty well and tried hard. They could easily have won. To be abused by some coked-up twat afterwards is absurd. I don't give a shit if that fan is one of ours and he forked out cash and travelled, he's completely out of orderBraziliance said:I didn't attend or watch so I can't judge the team. I just wanted to comment on our own fans having a pop at our own fans.
I don't see a positive outcome from it. The fan who was yelling at the end, has forked out cash, travelled and is fed up of watching bad football (from how it sounds). I am not saying he is right for going a bit mental, but I have no issue with fans who go to games and actually care about the team. That particular fan will be here long after any of those players or manager will be, so jumping on him isn't going to do any good.
I've seen comments online (not here) such as 'I hate our toxic fan base' 'he should never be allowed back to the valley' Jesus wept mate, do you think we are the only club that has fans like that?
I am not endorsing players abuse, but the more these players put in terrible performances and are not criticised for it, the more they'll feel comfortable doing it.
I am not saying start calling players shit and booing, but if they keep no showing, they're hardly worth staying behind for and clapping.1 -
Well yeh! We lost on penalties...JohnnyH2 said:
Do we have any proof of this?Leuth said:
Yeah, you didn't watch, clearly. They played pretty well and tried hard. They could easily have won. To be abused by some coked-up twat afterwards is absurd. I don't give a shit if that fan is one of ours and he forked out cash and travelled, he's completely out of orderBraziliance said:I didn't attend or watch so I can't judge the team. I just wanted to comment on our own fans having a pop at our own fans.
I don't see a positive outcome from it. The fan who was yelling at the end, has forked out cash, travelled and is fed up of watching bad football (from how it sounds). I am not saying he is right for going a bit mental, but I have no issue with fans who go to games and actually care about the team. That particular fan will be here long after any of those players or manager will be, so jumping on him isn't going to do any good.
I've seen comments online (not here) such as 'I hate our toxic fan base' 'he should never be allowed back to the valley' Jesus wept mate, do you think we are the only club that has fans like that?
I am not endorsing players abuse, but the more these players put in terrible performances and are not criticised for it, the more they'll feel comfortable doing it.
I am not saying start calling players shit and booing, but if they keep no showing, they're hardly worth staying behind for and clapping.0 -
Great penalty by Hector. Had one of his better games
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It is pretty clear that our youth just aren’t ready for professional football yet. Asiimwe isn’t good in defense (which is a problem when you are a defender), Anderson is horrible on the ball, rylah is lightweight and worst of all Campbell gives no effort unless he is in the final third. Maybe they will develop and get there eventually but right now we can’t count on any of them.0
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Gets blamed if he plays ‘em, gets blamed if he doesn’t play ‘em.Athletico Charlton said:So Dobson and Jones needing assessments after injuries tonight. If those two are out for any time then by the time Jan comes it will be about shoring up the squad to stop us drifting to the bottom 4 as the top 6 will be miles ahead. Mental playing the key first teamers in such an utterly pointless competition.7
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