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Holden sacked?! (Ed. Yes - Confirmed)
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Of course, similar to the transfer window itself.carly burn said:
It's bullshit. They (owners) knew Ferguson would never come and they knew MacAnthony would shout the rebuff from the rooftops.Braziliance said:
I am very very surprised at this. That we were willing to compete with another league 1 rival for their own manager.Bedsaddick said:
Hardly surprising he has rejected us but I think it bodes well we are aiming for that type of manager personally..
It's another part of the game before announcing another underwhelming appointment.
"We tried!"
We will just have to wait and see but at pure face value, it's an impressive go assuming it's genuine0 -
Fuck that, he's a wrongunMendonca In Asdas said:Can’t believe no one’s chucking Joey Barton’s hat into the ring?4 -
They are panicking now with the realisation that they had no one lined up after they sacked Holden and are desperate to get someone in the next couple of days, so they can have half a chance to getting players in before the window closes the Friday night at 113
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Maybe we can go for Diego Simeone next. Then we could play 442. Two birds one stone2
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What do you mean again ? Didn't think we'd been anywhere near signing Nombe or did that fiction suddenly become reality ?CharltontillidieCOYR said:
Yea exactly nice to see a proven successful manager approached but could it be a nombe situation again “oooo we tried but ended up with a cheap loan signing instead” 🙄😂JordanJLD said:
I amended my post with the tweet. Does feel too similar for it to not have some truth behind it though, at least we know what level of manager we’re after though.CharltontillidieCOYR said:
Tbf its not to say he would have been offered the job or even got that far anyway it would have been to discuss/interviewJordanJLD said:I’m sure someone on here or Twitter said last night that they heard a couple weeks ago that Darren Ferguson would be offered the job. Actually happened, worrying leak for the club.
we are always going to be looking at multiple managers abit like signings to see who impresses or wants itOr it’s just a ploy and we’ll end up with Pearce till the end of the season 😂0 -
Don’t panic.It’s Darren Moore.4
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This would be great imo. How do you know?Valiantphil said:Don’t panic.It’s Darren Moore.0 -
Notice on the ever "reliable" transfermarkt that his "preferred" formation is 3-5-2 so thats one bonus at least if true, seeing we've been building a squad with that in mindValiantphil said:Don’t panic.It’s Darren Moore.0 -
Well noone really knows for certain do they unless your part of the SMT but from what i can tell and have seen we went for him but only would pay a certain amount and then gave upBailey said:
What do you mean again ? Didn't think we'd been anywhere near signing Nombe or did that fiction suddenly become reality ?CharltontillidieCOYR said:
Yea exactly nice to see a proven successful manager approached but could it be a nombe situation again “oooo we tried but ended up with a cheap loan signing instead” 🙄😂JordanJLD said:
I amended my post with the tweet. Does feel too similar for it to not have some truth behind it though, at least we know what level of manager we’re after though.CharltontillidieCOYR said:
Tbf its not to say he would have been offered the job or even got that far anyway it would have been to discuss/interviewJordanJLD said:I’m sure someone on here or Twitter said last night that they heard a couple weeks ago that Darren Ferguson would be offered the job. Actually happened, worrying leak for the club.
we are always going to be looking at multiple managers abit like signings to see who impresses or wants itOr it’s just a ploy and we’ll end up with Pearce till the end of the season 😂
annoying and looks abit dodgey if we then dont pay anything at all and get cheap options in on loan instead
so thats what i was referring to in this case with managers and us putting it out there about approaching a club like peterborough if it never really comes off and we went cheap !!??0 -
Wellred said:
I have thought for awhile they are looking to move us from the Valley down to somewhere in Kent hope I am wrong as that would be it for me & many othersvff said:Dean Holden was known to Methven and Scott from last season. He was given a 3 year contract by Methven and pals only a few months ago. That was picked up by Holden, who foolishly believed that he would be backed in the transfer market. This did not happen. Cue disatisfaction, loss of hope from Holden and him losing the plot tactically, and having his weaknesses as a coach / manager exposed.The utter rubbish plan of Methven and the tall tale he told the investors is behind the current fiasco. That and the staggering incompetence and delusion of the plan. Cost cutting, playing and selling youth to reduce losses. The £1m to 2m losses plan, without any significant investment, in league one will take Charlton to League 2 and the National League. the bad things we were told about Methven and his pals is so far proving to be true.Ipswich had sustained and significant backing to get to the Championship. This is not what Charlton are getting currently. Why the hell did Methven bother - apart from the consultancy fees. What is the point ? The only way the plan works to sell the club for more in the championship. On Methven's cost cutting plan, even in a weakened league is just never going to happen.What manager or team is going to manage with the level of cost cutting by Methven ? Maybe at very best lower midtable to avoiding relegation. That is before any decent youngster is sold off. This is what Methven has brought Charlton to. Duchatelet will be happy with the diminishing of the football club. Closer to the day when there won't be a club at the Valley.
Still can't explain why he agreed to let Sandgaard lease it when he could have said no though can you. No one else has either who claim he wants us out.0 -
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Exactly what I thought when I saw it.carly burn said:
It's bullshit. They (owners) knew Ferguson would never come and they knew MacAnthony would shout the rebuff from the rooftops.Braziliance said:
I am very very surprised at this. That we were willing to compete with another league 1 rival for their own manager.Bedsaddick said:
Hardly surprising he has rejected us but I think it bodes well we are aiming for that type of manager personally..
It's another part of the game before announcing another underwhelming appointment.
"We tried!"2 -
You don't have to spend loads - look at Plymouth, but you do need settled and clear management and a sound strategy.ElfsborgAddick said:
Imo you have to spend dough to get success.KingKinsella said:
When long contracts have been offered to players that don't cut the mustard, its going to take a lot longer to improve the squad ,and that millstone of wages is drag on recruiting newer (better) players. Unless you think we have been taken over by wealthy people like the Saudi's.ElfsborgAddick said:
Would like to think one window can totally change things, after that it becomes a touching up process.ShootersHillGuru said:
I’d want to see progression after every window but I’ve thought all along it would take three windows to sort out our squad.ElfsborgAddick said:
3 windows are allowed for our progress, I wonder why!TeeC said:Loving some of the regime ITKs trying blame TS for DH on the other forum. Very very funny
We need to get out of this division lively as we continue to lose.
Having said that, it is easy to spend other people's money.1 -
Darren Ferguson turns down the chance to talk to us .. shows we are willing to pay compensation to get another manager … don’t think Ferguson will leave Peterbro again … he seen the grass is not greener elsewhere14
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I was thinking earlier something similar but a more left field. That Holden was brought in TO be sacked at some point early on. His 3 year contract might just be bollox & there is no pay off required. Just so they can now recruit from within & reduce costs.superclive98 said:Just had a thought that's a bit left field.
Could it be a way of extracting money from the club? Holden was the Methven group's choice of manager and were probably instrumental in him being handed a 3 year deal, which will now have to be paid up.
As I said at the start, just a thought.
But your conspiracy theory is better. He gets a big pay off that they all share.
How cynical are we as a fan base that we would even think this.1 -
Where did you hear that?!RonnieMoore said:Darren Ferguson turns down the chance to talk to us .. shows we are willing to pay compensation to get another manager … don’t think Ferguson will leave Peterbro again … he seen the grass is not greener elsewhere10 -
Like I said it's probably nothing but I just feel our gates have been on the decline & if they keep going that way they will look to cut costsswordfish said:Wellred said:
I have thought for awhile they are looking to move us from the Valley down to somewhere in Kent hope I am wrong as that would be it for me & many othersvff said:Dean Holden was known to Methven and Scott from last season. He was given a 3 year contract by Methven and pals only a few months ago. That was picked up by Holden, who foolishly believed that he would be backed in the transfer market. This did not happen. Cue disatisfaction, loss of hope from Holden and him losing the plot tactically, and having his weaknesses as a coach / manager exposed.The utter rubbish plan of Methven and the tall tale he told the investors is behind the current fiasco. That and the staggering incompetence and delusion of the plan. Cost cutting, playing and selling youth to reduce losses. The £1m to 2m losses plan, without any significant investment, in league one will take Charlton to League 2 and the National League. the bad things we were told about Methven and his pals is so far proving to be true.Ipswich had sustained and significant backing to get to the Championship. This is not what Charlton are getting currently. Why the hell did Methven bother - apart from the consultancy fees. What is the point ? The only way the plan works to sell the club for more in the championship. On Methven's cost cutting plan, even in a weakened league is just never going to happen.What manager or team is going to manage with the level of cost cutting by Methven ? Maybe at very best lower midtable to avoiding relegation. That is before any decent youngster is sold off. This is what Methven has brought Charlton to. Duchatelet will be happy with the diminishing of the football club. Closer to the day when there won't be a club at the Valley.
Still can't explain why he agreed to let Sandgaard lease it when he could have said no though can you. No one else has either who claim he wants us out.0 -
I will be impressed we are after quality experienced managers if we actually get one.
Actions not words, that is the philosophy the new decision makers have been stating since taking over and I hope us fans keep them to that, same with our last few days of summer transfer business.5 -
Should perhaps have done better with those players (and Taylor) at the heart of the team. We have no-one at that level now, with the possible exception of Dobbo.wmcf123 said:
He did alright with Phillips, Dijksteel, Aribo, Konsa, Bielik, Cullen, Gallagher . The robust ones that were goodSmithy said:I cannot even imagine the damage that Bowyer would do to this group of young players. Their confidence must be fragile now as it is.5 -
The more I think about it the more I think Holden wasn’t meant to still be here. TS gave him the extension when Spiegel was in prime position. I think he was a 6 month stop gap and then they could put in whoever they wanted in July and given them a full preseason.0
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If we got Ferguson, at least he's guaranteed a job back at Peterborough when we sack him in May19
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He should have done better than finishing 3rd behind a very good Luton and Barnsley side and winning promotion?JamesSeed said:
Should have done better with those players (and Taylor) at the heart of the team. We have no-one at that level now, with the possible exception of Dobbo.wmcf123 said:
He did alright with Phillips, Dijksteel, Aribo, Konsa, Bielik, Cullen, Gallagher . The robust ones that were goodSmithy said:I cannot even imagine the damage that Bowyer would do to this group of young players. Their confidence must be fragile now as it is.8 -
Was talking about in the Championship. Gallagher wasn't with us in L1.Belv said:
He should have done better than finishing 3rd behind a very good Luton and Barnsley side and winning promotion?JamesSeed said:
Should have done better with those players (and Taylor) at the heart of the team. We have no-one at that level now, with the possible exception of Dobbo.wmcf123 said:
He did alright with Phillips, Dijksteel, Aribo, Konsa, Bielik, Cullen, Gallagher . The robust ones that were goodSmithy said:I cannot even imagine the damage that Bowyer would do to this group of young players. Their confidence must be fragile now as it is.1 -
Fair enough. I thought you were agreeing that Duchatelet wants us out when he's already passed up opportunities to do that by agreeing to lease with three new owners since he left.Wellred said:
Like I said it's probably nothing but I just feel our gates have been on the decline & if they keep going that way they will look to cut costsswordfish said:Wellred said:
I have thought for awhile they are looking to move us from the Valley down to somewhere in Kent hope I am wrong as that would be it for me & many othersvff said:Dean Holden was known to Methven and Scott from last season. He was given a 3 year contract by Methven and pals only a few months ago. That was picked up by Holden, who foolishly believed that he would be backed in the transfer market. This did not happen. Cue disatisfaction, loss of hope from Holden and him losing the plot tactically, and having his weaknesses as a coach / manager exposed.The utter rubbish plan of Methven and the tall tale he told the investors is behind the current fiasco. That and the staggering incompetence and delusion of the plan. Cost cutting, playing and selling youth to reduce losses. The £1m to 2m losses plan, without any significant investment, in league one will take Charlton to League 2 and the National League. the bad things we were told about Methven and his pals is so far proving to be true.Ipswich had sustained and significant backing to get to the Championship. This is not what Charlton are getting currently. Why the hell did Methven bother - apart from the consultancy fees. What is the point ? The only way the plan works to sell the club for more in the championship. On Methven's cost cutting plan, even in a weakened league is just never going to happen.What manager or team is going to manage with the level of cost cutting by Methven ? Maybe at very best lower midtable to avoiding relegation. That is before any decent youngster is sold off. This is what Methven has brought Charlton to. Duchatelet will be happy with the diminishing of the football club. Closer to the day when there won't be a club at the Valley.
Still can't explain why he agreed to let Sandgaard lease it when he could have said no though can you. No one else has either who claim he wants us out.
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But we’re talking about getting out of League One.JamesSeed said:
Was talking about in the Championship. Gallagher wasn't with us in L1.Belv said:
He should have done better than finishing 3rd behind a very good Luton and Barnsley side and winning promotion?JamesSeed said:
Should have done better with those players (and Taylor) at the heart of the team. We have no-one at that level now, with the possible exception of Dobbo.wmcf123 said:
He did alright with Phillips, Dijksteel, Aribo, Konsa, Bielik, Cullen, Gallagher . The robust ones that were goodSmithy said:I cannot even imagine the damage that Bowyer would do to this group of young players. Their confidence must be fragile now as it is.We started fine in the Championship, and were only relegated after the last kick of the season. If it hadn’t been for covid, we would have stayed up as our main striker wouldn’t have refused to play, there was a few of those players he didn’t have in the Championship anyway.7 -
You can't derail a ship. You can sink ot or hole it below the waterline.Solidgone said:I think this means that HMS Pisstheleague has been derailed. 🥸
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Who have we actually signed that's a 3-5-2 specialist? May needs a partner but that's not necessarily the same thing.ForeverAddickted said:
Notice on the ever "reliable" transfermarkt that his "preferred" formation is 3-5-2 so thats one bonus at least if true, seeing we've been building a squad with that in mindValiantphil said:Don’t panic.It’s Darren Moore.
The full back, and the one we have almost signed, are both "attacking full backs" as opposed to specialist wing backs.3 -
Hendos back as temp GK coach11
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Covid was not the reason Taylor refused to play. Greed wasBelv said:
But we’re talking about getting out of League One.JamesSeed said:
Was talking about in the Championship. Gallagher wasn't with us in L1.Belv said:
He should have done better than finishing 3rd behind a very good Luton and Barnsley side and winning promotion?JamesSeed said:
Should have done better with those players (and Taylor) at the heart of the team. We have no-one at that level now, with the possible exception of Dobbo.wmcf123 said:
He did alright with Phillips, Dijksteel, Aribo, Konsa, Bielik, Cullen, Gallagher . The robust ones that were goodSmithy said:I cannot even imagine the damage that Bowyer would do to this group of young players. Their confidence must be fragile now as it is.We started fine in the Championship, and were only relegated after the last kick of the season. If it hadn’t been for covid, we would have stayed up as our main striker wouldn’t have refused to play, there was a few of those players he didn’t have in the Championship anyway.2 -
Where did you see that?iamdan said:Hendos back as temp GK coach0
