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Qatar World Cup - Non Football Related Thread
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More the point is it right that the United States have the World Cup, when it has its current abortion rights?SELR_addicks said:
Didn't realise women were illegal in the USA.MrOneLung said:
of course I am going to watch it, love the world cup and not really bothered about the other stuff just like I dont care the Saudis own Newcastle. My only complaint is that I think World Cups should go to proper footballing nations which Qatar is not.johnnybev1987 said:
Are you going to watch the World cup out of interest?MrOneLung said:all these associations can do one - just don’t go if you are that bothered. That will send the strongest message.If you are going, then you accept the laws and lifestyle of the country.I don’t go on holiday to Turkey then berate them for slowly turning into a dictatorship.
This is exactly the predicament i have, i will be watching and cheering on England, but feels a bit dirty considering but can't really preach too much as that would make me a hypocrite?
Look forward to people not watching the world cup games in USA due to their laws against women based on religious dogma
This is what we're dealing with in Qatar. Homosexuality is illegal full stop.
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Friend Or Defoe said:Japan and South Korea weren't footballing countries and had a great tournament. South Korea can probably be considered a footballing country these days. If the world cup was only to be played at footballing countries it will only be played in Europe and South America. It was great to have it in South Africa.
However, you should be bothered by the other stuff in Qatar.
South Africa was/is a proper football mad countryFriend Or Defoe said:Japan and South Korea weren't footballing countries and had a great tournament. South Korea can probably be considered a footballing country these days. If the world cup was only to be played at footballing countries it will only be played in Europe and South America. It was great to have it in South Africa.
However, you should be bothered by the other stuff in Qatar.
Japan had a well supported league before 2002
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I bet a trip to the Qatari swimming baths is a barrel of fun with no heavy petting on the agenda. They’ll have to stick to bombing…palarsehater said:it is worth also mentioning that public affection is also illegal in qatar to say kiss your mrs walking down the street
Any intimacy in public between men and women (including between teenagers) can lead to arrest. Living together whilst unmarried is prohibited in Qatar, and sex outside of marriage, regardless of whether this is same sex couples or opposite sex couples, is illegal.14 -
Surely he's getting this out there ahead of the FIFA documentary being released on Netflix tomorrow.MrOneLung said:
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He should know .....MrOneLung said:3 -
I would say abortion rights is completely different to opposing a group of people to exist in my eyes.ForeverAddickted said:
More the point is it right that the United States have the World Cup, when it has its current abortion rights?SELR_addicks said:
Didn't realise women were illegal in the USA.MrOneLung said:
of course I am going to watch it, love the world cup and not really bothered about the other stuff just like I dont care the Saudis own Newcastle. My only complaint is that I think World Cups should go to proper footballing nations which Qatar is not.johnnybev1987 said:
Are you going to watch the World cup out of interest?MrOneLung said:all these associations can do one - just don’t go if you are that bothered. That will send the strongest message.If you are going, then you accept the laws and lifestyle of the country.I don’t go on holiday to Turkey then berate them for slowly turning into a dictatorship.
This is exactly the predicament i have, i will be watching and cheering on England, but feels a bit dirty considering but can't really preach too much as that would make me a hypocrite?
Look forward to people not watching the world cup games in USA due to their laws against women based on religious dogma
This is what we're dealing with in Qatar. Homosexuality is illegal full stop.1 -
Qatar think a group of people shouldn't exist and there is capacity in their law to kill them.MrOneLung said:
Can you not read ?SELR_addicks said:
Didn't realise women were illegal in the USA.MrOneLung said:
of course I am going to watch it, love the world cup and not really bothered about the other stuff just like I dont care the Saudis own Newcastle. My only complaint is that I think World Cups should go to proper footballing nations which Qatar is not.johnnybev1987 said:
Are you going to watch the World cup out of interest?MrOneLung said:all these associations can do one - just don’t go if you are that bothered. That will send the strongest message.If you are going, then you accept the laws and lifestyle of the country.I don’t go on holiday to Turkey then berate them for slowly turning into a dictatorship.
This is exactly the predicament i have, i will be watching and cheering on England, but feels a bit dirty considering but can't really preach too much as that would make me a hypocrite?
Look forward to people not watching the world cup games in USA due to their laws against women based on religious dogma
This is what we're dealing with in Qatar. Homosexuality is illegal full stop.
Where did I say that ?
I would say that's slightly more alarming than abortion laws in America.2 -
World Cup shouldn’t be there and quite honestly nor should any country that sees itself as liberal and supporting of minorities. Dreadful and corrupt place and dreadful decision to award it the tournament. I’ll do my level best not to watch it.4
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Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?6
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Don’t need to visit to know about it’s laws and human rights abuses.ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?8 - Sponsored links:
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Not what i asked is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t need to visit to know about it’s laws and human rights abuses.ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?0 -
i've not been to the sun either but I know it's pretty hot thereValleyGary said:
Not what i asked is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t need to visit to know about it’s laws and human rights abuses.ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?24 -
You’ve never been to North Korea but I’m willing to bet you have a pretty good idea about it not being a nice place.ValleyGary said:
Not what i asked is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t need to visit to know about it’s laws and human rights abuses.ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?1 -
Once again, not what i asked.jacob_CAFC said:
i've not been to the sun either but I know it's pretty hot thereValleyGary said:
Not what i asked is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t need to visit to know about it’s laws and human rights abuses.ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?
You've got someone further up the thread saying all fans will be in danger, it wont be fun. That's just simply not true. I work with Qatari nationals, and ex-pats located in Doha on a daily basis and have been there myself. Even the 'you cant even show affection to a woman in public' is bollocks.5 -
I’ve been twiceValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?0 -
I don’t think any visitor is in particular danger at all. I just think it’s a shit regime that persecutes certain groups because of medieval beliefs and allowed 7000 foreign workers to boil to death in order to build their stadia. That not bollocks at all.ValleyGary said:
Once again, not what i asked.jacob_CAFC said:
i've not been to the sun either but I know it's pretty hot thereValleyGary said:
Not what i asked is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t need to visit to know about it’s laws and human rights abuses.ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?
You've got someone further up the thread saying all fans will be in danger, it wont be fun. That's just simply not true. I work with Qatari nationals, and ex-pats located in Doha on a daily basis and have been there myself. Even the 'you cant even show affection to a woman in public' is bollocks.8 -
Is homosexuality being illegal fake news?ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?1 -
Interested in your insights @FumbluffFumbluff said:
I’ve been twiceValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?
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Having the World Cup in Qatar won’t make any difference to their laws once the final whistle is over. Just look at Russia for a good example. What has changed there? The WC is just a money making machine.15
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they have taken that quote from the British Governments foreign travel advice for QatarValleyGary said:
Once again, not what i asked.jacob_CAFC said:
i've not been to the sun either but I know it's pretty hot thereValleyGary said:
Not what i asked is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t need to visit to know about it’s laws and human rights abuses.ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?
You've got someone further up the thread saying all fans will be in danger, it wont be fun. That's just simply not true. I work with Qatari nationals, and ex-pats located in Doha on a daily basis and have been there myself. Even the 'you cant even show affection to a woman in public' is bollocks.1 - Sponsored links:
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https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/qatar/local-laws-and-customsjacob_CAFC said:
they have taken that quote from the British Governments foreign travel advice for QatarValleyGary said:
Once again, not what i asked.jacob_CAFC said:
i've not been to the sun either but I know it's pretty hot thereValleyGary said:
Not what i asked is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t need to visit to know about it’s laws and human rights abuses.ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?
You've got someone further up the thread saying all fans will be in danger, it wont be fun. That's just simply not true. I work with Qatari nationals, and ex-pats located in Doha on a daily basis and have been there myself. Even the 'you cant even show affection to a woman in public' is bollocks.
Any intimacy in public between men and women (including between teenagers) can lead to arrest.
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I'm all for no intimacy in public to be honest, unless it's between 2 (or more) women.
Any other kind generally makes me want to vomit.14 -
If you don't like/agree with the laws of a certain country don't go there.
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Homosexual fans are in danger if they dare to express themselves in public. I don't think anyone on this thread has denied that.ValleyGary said:
Once again, not what i asked.jacob_CAFC said:
i've not been to the sun either but I know it's pretty hot thereValleyGary said:
Not what i asked is it?ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t need to visit to know about it’s laws and human rights abuses.ValleyGary said:Lots of Qatari experts on here. How many of you have actually been and experienced the country, its laws and its people yourselves?
You've got someone further up the thread saying all fans will be in danger, it wont be fun. That's just simply not true. I work with Qatari nationals, and ex-pats located in Doha on a daily basis and have been there myself. Even the 'you cant even show affection to a woman in public' is bollocks."An ambassador for the World Cup in Qatar has described homosexuality as "damage in the mind".
Former Qatar midfielder Khalid Salman, one of the tiny Gulf state’s best-known players, made the incendiary remark in an interview with German television broadcaster ZDF which was immediately halted by an accompanying official.Organisers have repeatedly said everyone is welcome in Qatar during the tournament but Salman said: “They have to accept our rules here. [Homosexuality] is haram (forbidden). You know what haram means?”
When asked why it was haram, Salman said: “I am not a strict Muslim but why is it haram? Because it is damage in the mind.”
The 60-year-old’s remarks emerged barely two weeks after Downing Street was forced to clarify comments made by James Cleverly, the foreign secretary, after he was accused of telling gay fans travelling to the World Cup to “be less queer”."
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It would have to be some pretty heavy intimacy to lead to arrest. I saw plenty of people in hotel bars being intimate. I saw women, drunk and dancing on tables at brunches just like they do in London. Its illegal to be homosexual in the UAE but I know a couple of gay blokes that live there just fine, I got the same vibe of Doha as I did Dubai, just on a smaller scale.
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Maybe, but aren't there different rules in hotels, which aren't necessarily seen as "public" places?ValleyGary said:It would have to be some pretty heavy intimacy to lead to arrest. I saw plenty of people in hotel bars being intimate. I saw women, drunk and dancing on tables at brunches just like they do in London. Its illegal to be homosexual in the UAE but I know a couple of gay blokes that live there just fine, I got the same vibe of Doha as I did Dubai, just on a smaller scale.
I bet it would be a different story in the local Spoons.
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Well actually, (and I'm grateful to whoever on here recco'ed this) he was already given plenty of chance to do this in The Men who sold the World Cup. Basically he argues that FIFA is such a big organisation that he could not possibly control what the naughty national reps were up to. Utterly laughable. And this Netflix doc will have to go some to beat this one..Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Surely he's getting this out there ahead of the FIFA documentary being released on Netflix tomorrow.MrOneLung said:
"not my fault honest, blame Platini"0 -
I agree. That's why I've never been to any of the ME countries. But the problem is they've parked a World Cup there when on footballing criteria there is zero reason to do so. Fucking zero. I never fancied South Africa but it has a football heritage (and don't we know it at Charlton). I don't think Russia should have been awarded it under Putin, but at least there were football arguments for it. If only it had gone in a different direction as a country, it could have been a great one on and off the pitch. Japan and S.Korea are football mad countries even if we had not been aware of their players, but more importantly they are civilised countries who were ready to invest and welcome the world. They didn't particularly need to sportswash like Qatar is doing, they were already respected nations. And it's not that difficult to respect their laws and culture.MrOneLung said:If you don't like/agree with the laws of a certain country don't go there.12 -
The Brewdog anti-Qatar campaign appears to backfiring massively (they are beginning to make a habit of these PR cock-ups)
It's now been revealed that only 3 months ago they signed a deal with a government-owned distributor to sell their beer out there for the tournament... 🤦🏻♂️5 -
They are complete jokers there and only do things for PR - they have a reputation now for a toxic work culture. They will also be showing the football in their pubs which completely defeats the purpose of what they are saying.Rufus is a dogs name said:The Brewdog anti-Qatar campaign appears to backfiring massively (they are beginning to make a habit of these PR cock-ups)
It's now been revealed that only 3 months ago they signed a deal with a government-owned distributor to sell their beer out there for the tournament... 🤦🏻♂️
Not to mention the statement they put on Twitter was dreadful, full of terrible things about Qatar one moment then in the very next sentence they are putting a football pun in there. Dreadful company2
