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  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,884
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    Yes I can read it. It’s you that can’t. I said successful. Not successive. 
    Ask your teacher what it means. 
    Then I stated them and the promotions. 
    Yet your still confused 
    think you should call yourself moronic addict 
    😂 can you read what you wrote at 2.43 today? It’s embarrassing that you can’t see the error in what you are saying…And my teachers taught me the difference between your and you’re…
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,931
    shirty5 said:
    swords_alive said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    mendonca said:
    Charlton fans always want their old players and manager. It's part of our limited search criteria.
    Who was the last successful permanent manager we have had who had no previous connection with the club (playing or coaching)

    Andy Nelson
    Lennie Lawrence / 
    Iain Dowie ?
    Lennie was Reserve team coach before caretaker of the first team and then permanent manager

    Dowie was Murray’s thing to get at Jordan 
    Lennie had those other jobs for a short period. He had minimal Charlton connections before taking over.

    The equivalent would be if Jacko had been sacked in October, and Skiverton took over.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,242
    killerandflash said:
    shirty5 said:
    swords_alive said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    mendonca said:
    Charlton fans always want their old players and manager. It's part of our limited search criteria.
    Who was the last successful permanent manager we have had who had no previous connection with the club (playing or coaching)

    Andy Nelson
    Lennie Lawrence / 
    Iain Dowie ?
    Lennie was Reserve team coach before caretaker of the first team and then permanent manager

    Dowie was Murray’s thing to get at Jordan 
    Lennie had those other jobs for a short period. He had minimal Charlton connections before taking over.

    The equivalent would be if Jacko had been sacked in October, and Skiverton took over.
    Plymouth and Lincoln being 2 of those you mentioned re Lennie 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,040
    Dazzler21 said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Or because he was aware that he might be pushed. Which given how Adkins transformed our play for those 10 games, isn't unrealistic of an outcome.
    He obviously walked before he was sacked. I thought that was a given.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,858
    Covered End said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Or because he was aware that he might be pushed. Which given how Adkins transformed our play for those 10 games, isn't unrealistic of an outcome.
    He obviously walked before he was sacked. I thought that was a given.
    And presumably he's not doing the same thing at Birmingham because he hasn't got another job lined up this time. Hence the very public message to the Birmingham owners - back me or sack me.
  • Kips
    Kips Posts: 690
    My assessment of Bowyer was that he looked a broken man the night we got relegated from the Championship and would have walked that summer for any Championship job that he was offered. I think that he particularly coveted the Birmingham job as an ex player and was pretty close to getting it but they chose Aitor Karanka.

    I never felt that he would see the season out with us from day one and I noticed a change in his demeanour for the 20/21 season from previous ones, digging out players and fans alike. He just came across as negative.

    So really I don't think he would have stayed with us whoever was owner,  he was just biding his time for a move upwards that suited him. In his eyes he'd served his time as a L1 manager with little old Charlton, just like he did as a player all those years ago when he stepped up a division to join Leeds.

    Just my musings on the matter.

  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,079
    Bowyer went at the right time, it wasn't working for either party 
  • boggzy
    boggzy Posts: 3,596
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    It’s dowies fault where we are now biggest purse any Charlton manager had and totally fucked up the useless git. 
    No. That was entirely the fault of the twat who hired him, then gave him the purse.
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Steve Brown comment in SLP

    “It looked as if Lee Bowyer wanted to stay at Charlton but there was a big U-turn and he left. He didn’t go to a club [Birmingham] in a fantastic position or that it was well-run – he went to a club that has two sides of the stadium shut, no-one knows who the owner is and no money is being pumped into the team. He left Charlton for that. Why has he done that?

    Think you are nearer to the reality @fenlandaddick than others want to believe. 
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,704
    StrikerFirmani said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Steve Brown comment in SLP

    “It looked as if Lee Bowyer wanted to stay at Charlton but there was a big U-turn and he left. He didn’t go to a club [Birmingham] in a fantastic position or that it was well-run – he went to a club that has two sides of the stadium shut, no-one knows who the owner is and no money is being pumped into the team. He left Charlton for that. Why has he done that?

    Think you are nearer to the reality @fenlandaddick than others want to believe. 
    Why, ££££ that’s why.

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  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,889
    StrikerFirmani said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Steve Brown comment in SLP

    “It looked as if Lee Bowyer wanted to stay at Charlton but there was a big U-turn and he left. He didn’t go to a club [Birmingham] in a fantastic position or that it was well-run – he went to a club that has two sides of the stadium shut, no-one knows who the owner is and no money is being pumped into the team. He left Charlton for that. Why has he done that?

    Think you are nearer to the reality @fenlandaddick than others want to believe. 
    Championship football? I'm guessing brown doesn't know what conversations bowyer had with the Birmingham board or what promises were made. Didn't bowyer say that he was promised money to spend? 
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,877
    Don't being bowyer back. 

    Start fresh - move on.

    I hope Charlton get a credible decent foreign manager who has a positive track record.

    I obviously don't mean a Belgian ex Sunday league player from the waffle years.

    Someone who will be new and fresh to the league. An Italian or German etc who loves a bit of English football and they want a piece of premier League potential.

    They won't be relying on a crowd cheering them on. They will just get on with the job.
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,788
    boggzy said:
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    It’s dowies fault where we are now biggest purse any Charlton manager had and totally fucked up the useless git. 
    No. That was entirely the fault of the twat who hired him, then gave him the purse.
    Correct and just to put one over Simon Jordan.
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    Hartleypete said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Steve Brown comment in SLP

    “It looked as if Lee Bowyer wanted to stay at Charlton but there was a big U-turn and he left. He didn’t go to a club [Birmingham] in a fantastic position or that it was well-run – he went to a club that has two sides of the stadium shut, no-one knows who the owner is and no money is being pumped into the team. He left Charlton for that. Why has he done that?

    Think you are nearer to the reality @fenlandaddick than others want to believe. 
    Why, ££££ that’s why.
    Nope don't agree with that and Steve Browns comment is not referring to £££. 
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    Todds_right_hook said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Steve Brown comment in SLP

    “It looked as if Lee Bowyer wanted to stay at Charlton but there was a big U-turn and he left. He didn’t go to a club [Birmingham] in a fantastic position or that it was well-run – he went to a club that has two sides of the stadium shut, no-one knows who the owner is and no money is being pumped into the team. He left Charlton for that. Why has he done that?

    Think you are nearer to the reality @fenlandaddick than others want to believe. 
    Championship football? I'm guessing brown doesn't know what conversations bowyer had with the Birmingham board or what promises were made. Didn't bowyer say that he was promised money to spend? 
    Brown's point is Bowyer would have originally wanted to stay and changed his mind and I'm pretty sure he is implying something at CAFC changed his mind rather than Championship.

    Additionally, Bowyer made a couple of comments at the time implying something was a miss at the club and followed it, that however he thought Thomas would be  good owner, (A diplomatic follow on.)  

    I personally think Bowyer was made aware there would be a change in recruitment and he wouldn't have the autonomy.  Events since then give some credence to this thought.

    To your point 'highlighted'. Yes Bowyer did say he was promised money by the Brum board, but @fenlandaddicks point & Browns is about something changed at Charlton that changed Bowyers mined. 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,889
    StrikerFirmani said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Steve Brown comment in SLP

    “It looked as if Lee Bowyer wanted to stay at Charlton but there was a big U-turn and he left. He didn’t go to a club [Birmingham] in a fantastic position or that it was well-run – he went to a club that has two sides of the stadium shut, no-one knows who the owner is and no money is being pumped into the team. He left Charlton for that. Why has he done that?

    Think you are nearer to the reality @fenlandaddick than others want to believe. 
    Championship football? I'm guessing brown doesn't know what conversations bowyer had with the Birmingham board or what promises were made. Didn't bowyer say that he was promised money to spend? 
    Brown's point is Bowyer would have originally wanted to stay and changed his mind and I'm pretty sure he is implying something at CAFC changed his mind rather than Championship.

    Additionally, Bowyer made a couple of comments at the time implying something was a miss at the club and followed it, that however he thought Thomas would be  good owner, (A diplomatic follow on.)  

    I personally think Bowyer was made aware there would be a change in recruitment and he wouldn't have the autonomy.  Events since then give some credence to this thought.

    To your point 'highlighted'. Yes Bowyer did say he was promised money by the Brum board, but @fenlandaddicks point & Browns is about something changed at Charlton that changed Bowyers mined. 
    Fans turning on him, players reporting him to the fa for bullying, mid table, risk of the sack. All probably made Birmingham look a bit more favourable
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    You may be partly right but to be honest its missing the point I think that Brown was likely making.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,889
    StrikerFirmani said:
    You may be partly right but to be honest its missing the point I think that Brown was likely making.
    I struggle to understand steve browns points at times. I find him brilliant or poor as a commentator, there doesn't seem to be an in between with him
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    Bowyer was right to leave under this owner when he did. It did not work out at Birmingham but he has to be happier the last two years there, than here. He certainly made a lot more money.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,931
    Todds_right_hook said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Steve Brown comment in SLP

    “It looked as if Lee Bowyer wanted to stay at Charlton but there was a big U-turn and he left. He didn’t go to a club [Birmingham] in a fantastic position or that it was well-run – he went to a club that has two sides of the stadium shut, no-one knows who the owner is and no money is being pumped into the team. He left Charlton for that. Why has he done that?

    Think you are nearer to the reality @fenlandaddick than others want to believe. 
    Championship football? I'm guessing brown doesn't know what conversations bowyer had with the Birmingham board or what promises were made. Didn't bowyer say that he was promised money to spend? 
    Brown's point is Bowyer would have originally wanted to stay and changed his mind and I'm pretty sure he is implying something at CAFC changed his mind rather than Championship.

    Additionally, Bowyer made a couple of comments at the time implying something was a miss at the club and followed it, that however he thought Thomas would be  good owner, (A diplomatic follow on.)  

    I personally think Bowyer was made aware there would be a change in recruitment and he wouldn't have the autonomy.  Events since then give some credence to this thought.

    To your point 'highlighted'. Yes Bowyer did say he was promised money by the Brum board, but @fenlandaddicks point & Browns is about something changed at Charlton that changed Bowyers mined. 
    Fans turning on him, players reporting him to the fa for bullying, mid table, risk of the sack. All probably made Birmingham look a bit more favourable
    Agreed. Things were grim when he walked out, it's not as if Bowyer's departure was a shock. Indeed Bowyer saved Thomas from having to sack him

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  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,877
    NapaAddick said:
    Bowyer was right to leave under this owner when he did. It did not work out at Birmingham but he has to be happier the last two years there, than here. He certainly made a lot more money.

    His Birmingham side.... based on points, technically did worse this season then when we got relegated.

    I doubt he's that much happier. It's probably just the same old shit for him.

    There's a reason why Birmingham were happy to have a league one manager. They were desperate
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,422
    NapaAddick said:
    Bowyer was right to leave under this owner when he did. It did not work out at Birmingham but he has to be happier the last two years there, than here. He certainly made a lot more money.
    You're really no good with numbers 😉, he's been there *just* over a year. Not two years. 
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,412
    Hartleypete said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Steve Brown comment in SLP

    “It looked as if Lee Bowyer wanted to stay at Charlton but there was a big U-turn and he left. He didn’t go to a club [Birmingham] in a fantastic position or that it was well-run – he went to a club that has two sides of the stadium shut, no-one knows who the owner is and no money is being pumped into the team. He left Charlton for that. Why has he done that?

    Think you are nearer to the reality @fenlandaddick than others want to believe. 
    Why, ££££ that’s why.
    Nope 
    He had a super contract with us. 
    Maybe it wasn’t about the grass being greener, perhaps the grass at home had a bad patch and it was more convenient to move club than have dirty washing thrown on the grass. 
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Valiantphil said:
    Hartleypete said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Steve Brown comment in SLP

    “It looked as if Lee Bowyer wanted to stay at Charlton but there was a big U-turn and he left. He didn’t go to a club [Birmingham] in a fantastic position or that it was well-run – he went to a club that has two sides of the stadium shut, no-one knows who the owner is and no money is being pumped into the team. He left Charlton for that. Why has he done that?

    Think you are nearer to the reality @fenlandaddick than others want to believe. 
    Why, ££££ that’s why.
    Nope 
    He had a super contract with us. 
    Maybe it wasn’t about the grass being greener, perhaps the grass at home had a bad patch and it was more convenient to move club than have dirty washing thrown on the grass. 
    Great analogy.

    left before pushed I believe
  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    Dave2l said:
    Don't being bowyer back. 

    Start fresh - move on.

    I hope Charlton get a credible decent foreign manager who has a positive track record.

    I obviously don't mean a Belgian ex Sunday league player from the waffle years.

    Someone who will be new and fresh to the league. An Italian or German etc who loves a bit of English football and they want a piece of premier League potential.

    They won't be relying on a crowd cheering them on. They will just get on with the job.
    I think we will have more chance of getting Santa Claus.
  • tangoflash
    tangoflash Posts: 10,786
    I personally wouldn't be spending my money to watch another run of Bowyer's tosh. Not only was his brand of football painful to watch, but I think he's a horrible little man with a shit attitude.
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,877
    Hal1x said:
    Dave2l said:
    Don't being bowyer back. 

    Start fresh - move on.

    I hope Charlton get a credible decent foreign manager who has a positive track record.

    I obviously don't mean a Belgian ex Sunday league player from the waffle years.

    Someone who will be new and fresh to the league. An Italian or German etc who loves a bit of English football and they want a piece of premier League potential.

    They won't be relying on a crowd cheering them on. They will just get on with the job.
    I think we will have more chance of getting Santa Claus.

    I don't mean attempt to bring in the likes of Carlo Ancelotti.

    I believe a young foreign manager who can bring in fresh ideas might probably be the answer.

    Russel Slade, Nigel Adkins, Karl Robinson...have all been shit. 

    Them lot have English lower league wear and tear.

    It is something Charlton don't welcome much. Whether we like it or not.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,345
    tangoflash said:
    I personally wouldn't be spending my money to watch another run of Bowyer's tosh. Not only was his brand of football painful to watch, but I think he's a horrible little man with a shit attitude.
    The season 2018/19 was painful to watch?
  • tangoflash
    tangoflash Posts: 10,786
    JohnnyH2 said:
    tangoflash said:
    I personally wouldn't be spending my money to watch another run of Bowyer's tosh. Not only was his brand of football painful to watch, but I think he's a horrible little man with a shit attitude.
    The season 2018/19 was painful to watch?
    By & large, yes. Despite scraping into the play-offs, we played a lot of awful football. As much as football is a results business, for me it also has to have a element of entertainment, something that Bowyer tried his best to eradicate from us. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,389
    edited May 2022
    TS wants attacking football and I'm sure he remembers LB's Pratley & Watson partnership as well as I do. 

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