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Abuse Messages at Charlton
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Leave Dennis Rommedahl out of this.Bournemouth Addick said:
Wait, this can't be right can it?Ollywozere said:The announcement is very specifically in response to some incidents that took place earlier in the season.
Unfortunately, there has been a sudden growth in racist/sexist/homophobic abuse since the return of fans. This has ranged from abuse aimed at players, as well as staff and even an agency photographer who received some pretty horrific abuse during the first two home games of the season and as a result, she hasn't returned.
So it's not about grassing up someone who's being a bit sweary towards an opposition player, it's about stamping out the kind of unacceptable abuse which has reared its ugly head more recently.
You're saying that the club are aware of several, recent, distressing incidents targeting individuals and have taken some steps to remind fans how they can help tackle the sort of scum responsible for it? But [insert name of your favourite right winger here] has assured us this is all a figment of the imagination and is just wokeism in action.
It's a right old conundrum.7 -
That's awful. Did anyone do anything about it? I have to admit I'd be frightened to say anything so maybe the text idea is good. Not sure how it would work in practice though.follett said:
My partner has come to 6 Charlton games in the last few years and faced racial abuse at 2 of them. Just because you don’t hear it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Such a poor and ignorant attitude to takeSouthbank said:Like you, I have not heard any racist abuse at Charlton for many decades. The announcements are virtue signalling and should be stopped. We are all treated as if we are naughty children. Is there anybody who comes to Charlton who does not know that smoking is not allowed? The announcements do not stop the crafty smokers.
I come to football partly at least to escape from the stresses of normal life, please let there be 90 minutes when we can just focus on football ( which is stressful enough).
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Cheers Olly. Is there not a way they can become part of the pre-match, half time routine of the announcer rather than during the game? Or if you have to during the game, just as a big screen segment like the fish stuff?Ollywozere said:The announcement is very specifically in response to some incidents that took place earlier in the season.
Unfortunately, there has been a sudden growth in racist/sexist/homophobic abuse since the return of fans. This has ranged from abuse aimed at players, as well as staff and even an agency photographer who received some pretty horrific abuse during the first two home games of the season and as a result, she hasn't returned.
So it's not about grassing up someone who's being a bit sweary towards an opposition player, it's about stamping out the kind of unacceptable abuse which has reared its ugly head more recently.
I understand the reasons why, and it’s no big thing, but it’s a bit of a mood killer12 -
Me too. And I don't care when it is aimed at me. However, I am able to practice "empathy" and "sympathy" and appreciate that not everyone is as thick skinned as me. And as abuse aimed at me washes over me, so do tannoy announcments.Major said:Being an old git, I remember being taught, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'.
Works well. The Precious Brigade might like to try it.2 -
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I wish I was more thick skinned. You're right though, not everyone is. Sadly I'm not and easily get upset by names or snide remarks and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.Algarveaddick said:
Me too. And I don't care when it is aimed at me. However, I am able to practice "empathy" and "sympathy" and appreciate that not everyone is as thick skinned as me. And as abuse aimed at me washes over me, so do tannoy announcments.Major said:Being an old git, I remember being taught, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'.
Works well. The Precious Brigade might like to try it.
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Yes - but you are a nice person, I am a bit of a git, so I deserve it... 😝😲🤣Arsenetatters said:
I wish I was more thick skinned. You're right though, not everyone is. Sadly I'm not and easily get upset by names or snide remarks and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.Algarveaddick said:
Me too. And I don't care when it is aimed at me. However, I am able to practice "empathy" and "sympathy" and appreciate that not everyone is as thick skinned as me. And as abuse aimed at me washes over me, so do tannoy announcments.Major said:Being an old git, I remember being taught, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'.
Works well. The Precious Brigade might like to try it.2 -
Olly - thank you for your clarification. It is very depressing and upsetting to hear about these incidents and of course I am entirely supportive of any message designed to stamp out that behaviour. Can I just say though , I'm not complaining about 'someone who's being a bit sweary towards an opposition player' because many of us do that- including me. Maybe I am in a minority of one but my belief is that the level of consistent, persistent and tirading abuse calling players and officials fuc--ng c-nts has increased over the last couple of years. It would be great if the club would consider a message which asks supporters to be considerate to those sitting around them.
Anyway, I've said my bit now. I'll give up and move on, maybe I need to buy some ear plugs !3 -
"Sticks and stone may cause temporary physical injuries, but names may cause long term psychological damage that effects every aspect of ones life"
Admittedly not quite as catchy, but probably a lot more accurate.
Of course, physical violence can cause psychological damage as well. Maybe we should simplify it down to "Stop attacking people you psychopathic fucks". The great thing being that if they complain about being called psychopathic fucks we can just refer them to their own inane rhyme.10 -
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I suppose the question is.AFKABartram said:
Cheers Olly. Is there not a way they can become part of the pre-match, half time routine of the announcer rather than during the game? Or if you have to during the game, just as a big screen segment like the fish stuff?Ollywozere said:The announcement is very specifically in response to some incidents that took place earlier in the season.
Unfortunately, there has been a sudden growth in racist/sexist/homophobic abuse since the return of fans. This has ranged from abuse aimed at players, as well as staff and even an agency photographer who received some pretty horrific abuse during the first two home games of the season and as a result, she hasn't returned.
So it's not about grassing up someone who's being a bit sweary towards an opposition player, it's about stamping out the kind of unacceptable abuse which has reared its ugly head more recently.
I understand the reasons why, and it’s no big thing, but it’s a bit of a mood killer
How would we feel if a female relative was abused over a couple of games.
To the point they didnt want to attend.
The club then try to sort the situation out, to have someone say it's a bit of a mood killer?3 -
clb74 said:
I suppose the question is.AFKABartram said:
Cheers Olly. Is there not a way they can become part of the pre-match, half time routine of the announcer rather than during the game? Or if you have to during the game, just as a big screen segment like the fish stuff?Ollywozere said:The announcement is very specifically in response to some incidents that took place earlier in the season.
Unfortunately, there has been a sudden growth in racist/sexist/homophobic abuse since the return of fans. This has ranged from abuse aimed at players, as well as staff and even an agency photographer who received some pretty horrific abuse during the first two home games of the season and as a result, she hasn't returned.
So it's not about grassing up someone who's being a bit sweary towards an opposition player, it's about stamping out the kind of unacceptable abuse which has reared its ugly head more recently.
I understand the reasons why, and it’s no big thing, but it’s a bit of a mood killer
How would we feel if a female relative was abused over a couple of games.
To the point they didnt want to attend.
The club then try to sort the situation out, to have someone say it's a bit of a mood killer?
Would you think the same if the announcement was made during a theatre or cinema performance? Before the game and at half time would surely work the same.1 -
Bit of a nonsense comparison.Southbank said:clb74 said:
I suppose the question is.AFKABartram said:
Cheers Olly. Is there not a way they can become part of the pre-match, half time routine of the announcer rather than during the game? Or if you have to during the game, just as a big screen segment like the fish stuff?Ollywozere said:The announcement is very specifically in response to some incidents that took place earlier in the season.
Unfortunately, there has been a sudden growth in racist/sexist/homophobic abuse since the return of fans. This has ranged from abuse aimed at players, as well as staff and even an agency photographer who received some pretty horrific abuse during the first two home games of the season and as a result, she hasn't returned.
So it's not about grassing up someone who's being a bit sweary towards an opposition player, it's about stamping out the kind of unacceptable abuse which has reared its ugly head more recently.
I understand the reasons why, and it’s no big thing, but it’s a bit of a mood killer
How would we feel if a female relative was abused over a couple of games.
To the point they didnt want to attend.
The club then try to sort the situation out, to have someone say it's a bit of a mood killer?
Would you think the same if the announcement was made during a theatre or cinema performance? Before the game and at half time would surely work the same.
Firstly you try to pretend the problem doesn't exist, now it's been established it does, you're trying to push the measures the club has taken as a result to the boundaries.3 -
I think everyone would be pissed off, but mostly because when you got to the cinema you're sort of entirely trying to listen to what's going on with the dialogue and plot happening in front of you. At a football match most of your time watching the football, where the ball is out of play anywhere from 35-50% of the time, is spent hearing the people around you shout advice at professional footballers (supportive), suggestions at opposition managers (actionable), complain about the molten core of their pie, or just natter on about their weekend plans. If you can't focus on the game because there's noise around you then football matches must be a very confusing experience for you. Also, I don't know where you live but if there's enough abuse going on at your local cinema that they have to do an announcement about it there's probably an alternative Cineworld you could go to; your one sounds horrible.Southbank said:clb74 said:
I suppose the question is.AFKABartram said:
Cheers Olly. Is there not a way they can become part of the pre-match, half time routine of the announcer rather than during the game? Or if you have to during the game, just as a big screen segment like the fish stuff?Ollywozere said:The announcement is very specifically in response to some incidents that took place earlier in the season.
Unfortunately, there has been a sudden growth in racist/sexist/homophobic abuse since the return of fans. This has ranged from abuse aimed at players, as well as staff and even an agency photographer who received some pretty horrific abuse during the first two home games of the season and as a result, she hasn't returned.
So it's not about grassing up someone who's being a bit sweary towards an opposition player, it's about stamping out the kind of unacceptable abuse which has reared its ugly head more recently.
I understand the reasons why, and it’s no big thing, but it’s a bit of a mood killer
How would we feel if a female relative was abused over a couple of games.
To the point they didnt want to attend.
The club then try to sort the situation out, to have someone say it's a bit of a mood killer?
Would you think the same if the announcement was made during a theatre or cinema performance? Before the game and at half time would surely work the same.
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When you say 'woke', you mean people who have educated themselves, or just have good manners, and understand that being a racist, or a homophobe or sexist isn't a good thing. and in addition, you find, being a racist/homophobe or sexist a good thing?addick1956 said:
Now known as the woke brigade because of their almost vicious response to anyone who disagrees with them .Major said:Being an old git, I remember being taught, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'.
Works well. The Precious Brigade might like to try it.25 -
The modern day equivalent used is “Man Up”Major said:Being an old git, I remember being taught, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'.
Works well. The Precious Brigade might like to try it.
My Fathers suicide note in 1965 to my mother, told her she was wrong.Words not only hurt they can have further consequences.8 -
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I love the cinema that much that I go 4 times a month ,the same cinema.Southbank said:clb74 said:
I suppose the question is.AFKABartram said:
Cheers Olly. Is there not a way they can become part of the pre-match, half time routine of the announcer rather than during the game? Or if you have to during the game, just as a big screen segment like the fish stuff?Ollywozere said:The announcement is very specifically in response to some incidents that took place earlier in the season.
Unfortunately, there has been a sudden growth in racist/sexist/homophobic abuse since the return of fans. This has ranged from abuse aimed at players, as well as staff and even an agency photographer who received some pretty horrific abuse during the first two home games of the season and as a result, she hasn't returned.
So it's not about grassing up someone who's being a bit sweary towards an opposition player, it's about stamping out the kind of unacceptable abuse which has reared its ugly head more recently.
I understand the reasons why, and it’s no big thing, but it’s a bit of a mood killer
How would we feel if a female relative was abused over a couple of games.
To the point they didnt want to attend.
The club then try to sort the situation out, to have someone say it's a bit of a mood killer?
Would you think the same if the announcement was made during a theatre or cinema performance? Before the game and at half time would surely work the same.
I'm then told by the cinema that someones been abused in the cinema and hasn't returned to the cinema.
The cinema then stop the film for a minute half way through, putting up a message to report abuse.
Yes , the message wouldn't bother me.
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Weve moved on though the year is 2022.addick1956 said:
Now known as the woke brigade because of their almost vicious response to anyone who disagrees with them .Major said:Being an old git, I remember being taught, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'.
Works well. The Precious Brigade might like to try it.
Sure I could brush off being called a cripple as I was called at school.
But should someone else have to put up with it , er no.2 -
I think if people are put off attending football matches by racist, homophobic or sexiest comments, then messages should be used to help reduce and prevent those comments.
But I also think that if people are so offended by the use of anti-racist messages and the fact the club is being horrible to racists, that they stop attending... the club should continue to use the messages.9 -
If you find announcements giving people a way to combat racism and homophobia annoying, then you are condoning it. You just like to pretend to yourself you’re not.redman said:Personally I find it rather annoying. I go to watch football. And before anybody starts I am not in any way condoning racist or homophobic behaviour.11 -
What did shine day??bobmunro said:0 -
Moanist!Bedsaddick said:Moan moan moan moan moan - it’s what we do3 -
Bet if the announcer done an Elvis "Ah ha ha" your ears would prick up thoughAlgarveaddick said:
Me too. And I don't care when it is aimed at me. However, I am able to practice "empathy" and "sympathy" and appreciate that not everyone is as thick skinned as me. And as abuse aimed at me washes over me, so do tannoy announcments.Major said:Being an old git, I remember being taught, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'.
Works well. The Precious Brigade might like to try it.1 -
How are things back in 1955?Major said:Being an old git, I remember being taught, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'.
Works well. The Precious Brigade might like to try it.Got your new gramophone from the shop yet?
Why don’t you focus on staving off incontinence you dozy old bugger.7 -
Amazing the amount of abuse Major has received on a thread about reporting abuse...11
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Thankfully no announcements tonight. Blessed relief.
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