Abuse Messages at Charlton

alburyaddick

I don’t know if anyone on here reads my blog - hopefully some do - but I am perplexed about the Tannoy announcements about sending text messages about Abuse and Hate - I don’t really understand who or what it is aimed at ? I am convinced that there are more individuals using abusive and hateful language to players, referees and opposition supporters than ever before. I’m not a saint and I sometimes swear at games and occasionally lose it a bit but too many people are going over the top with abuse 
I believe they should modify the tannoy messages to make them more meaningful and ask people to be more considerate of others around them 

paulie8290

Maybe that's because you haven't been the subject to such abuse.

Neither have I personally, but have no issue with these messages.

If someone is subject to racist or discrimination abuse then I hope they or someone around them who hears it would use the number and it is swiftly dealt with, if I heard anything I would.

MrOneLung

A lot of people don’t feel comfortable verbally reporting hearing someone being racist or homophobic and would rather send an anonymous text. 

Chunes

I could've used that number in the past. I'm glad they read it out. 

se9addick

Probably need to save the number on your phone because, unless the abuse is taking place at the precise moment that the message is on screen/read out you won’t have it close to hand.

It kind of makes me a bit uncomfortable, but I understand why it might be necessary (which is a shame in of itself ). 

alburyaddick

Ok - I have a question - when the bloke behind me shouts out repeatedly that the opposition goalie is a fuck…ng cheating cu.t - is that abuse that I ought to be reporting ? 

Southbank

Like you, I have not heard any racist abuse at Charlton for many decades. The announcements are virtue signalling and should be stopped. We are all treated as if we are naughty children. Is there anybody who comes to Charlton who does not know that smoking is not allowed? The announcements do not stop the crafty smokers.
I come to football partly at least to escape from the stresses of normal life, please let there be 90 minutes when we can just focus on football ( which is stressful enough).

ROTW

No.

se9addick

alburyaddick said:

Ok - I have a question - when the bloke behind me shouts out repeatedly that the opposition goalie is a fuck…ng cheating cu.t - is that abuse that I ought to be reporting ? 

No, I don’t think that’s the intention. 

paulie8290

alburyaddick said:

Ok - I have a question - when the bloke behind me shouts out repeatedly that the opposition goalie is a fuck…ng cheating cu.t - is that abuse that I ought to be reporting ? 

Obviously not

It's for racism and discrimination I:E Homophobia, Sexism.

Not calling the ref a cheater or swearing at the keeper

PaddyP17

It's a service I could certainly have used in the past. At any rate, I believe it's a league-wide thing, if something I overheard on Saturday was correct.

However, please do let me know if I'm mistaken.

PaddyP17

Southbank said:

Like you, I have not heard any racist abuse at Charlton for many decades. The announcements are virtue signalling and should be stopped. We are all treated as if we are naughty children. Is there anybody who comes to Charlton who does not know that smoking is not allowed? The announcements do not stop the crafty smokers.
I come to football partly at least to escape from the stresses of normal life, please let there be 90 minutes when we can just focus on football ( which is stressful enough).

You think the tannoy announcement is stressful? Fair enough.

That said, someone being called a racial slur might also find that stressful. Or hurtful. Or abusive. Etc etc

paulie8290

Southbank said:

Like you, I have not heard any racist abuse at Charlton for many decades. The announcements are virtue signalling and should be stopped. We are all treated as if we are naughty children. Is there anybody who comes to Charlton who does not know that smoking is not allowed? The announcements do not stop the crafty smokers.
I come to football partly at least to escape from the stresses of normal life, please let there be 90 minutes when we can just focus on football ( which is stressful enough).

So because you haven't heard it does that mean it hasn't happened, I have seen a couple of people say they have heard racist abuse at Charlton this season.

It's better to have the number and not need it than not have it and need it IMO, and at least people know it's there if they do need it and it may make them feel a bit safer about reporting anything they hear

alburyaddick

I believe that it is offensive to use racial or sexual discriminatory language and I deplore anyone doing so but I also find it offensive that people feel they can liberally shout out that people are f.cking cu.ts 

Chunes

There was a massive ruck in the North Lower this season over a bunch of lads shouting racist abuse.

SporadicAddick

I'm surprised the message is needed. Surely players taking the knee and rainbow cornerflags, armbands and laces have eradicated racism and homophobia in society?

No they haven't, which is why such virtue signaling is irrelevant nonsense.

Initiatives such as the text message system, on the other hand, are enabling direct action, and should be welcomed. I'd like the number of reports using the system to be published, broken down by the nature of the complaints made. 

follett

Southbank said:

Like you, I have not heard any racist abuse at Charlton for many decades. The announcements are virtue signalling and should be stopped. We are all treated as if we are naughty children. Is there anybody who comes to Charlton who does not know that smoking is not allowed? The announcements do not stop the crafty smokers.
I come to football partly at least to escape from the stresses of normal life, please let there be 90 minutes when we can just focus on football ( which is stressful enough).

My partner has come to 6 Charlton games in the last few years and faced racial abuse at 2 of them. Just because you don’t hear it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Such a poor and ignorant attitude to take 

JohnnyH2

Would be good if we could hear it clearly in the covered end  upper once instead of hearing a mumbled Brian Cole in both halfs of every.game

se9addick

SporadicAddick said:

I'm surprised the message is needed. Surely players taking the knee and rainbow cornerflags, armbands and laces have eradicated racism and homophobia in society?

No they haven't, which is why such virtue signaling is irrelevant nonsense.

Initiatives such as the text message system, on the other hand, are enabling direct action, and should be welcomed. I'd like the number of reports using the system to be published, broken down by the nature of the complaints made. 

If you thought those individual actions were going to single-handedly eradicate racism and homophobia in society then the blame lies with your unrealistic expectations rather than the initiatives themselves. 

clb74

alburyaddick said:

Ok - I have a question - when the bloke behind me shouts out repeatedly that the opposition goalie is a fuck…ng cheating cu.t - is that abuse that I ought to be reporting ? 

Imo.
If you've got someone constantly swearing through the whole game I'm sure if reported they would act.

SporadicAddick

se9addick said:

SporadicAddick said:

I'm surprised the message is needed. Surely players taking the knee and rainbow cornerflags, armbands and laces have eradicated racism and homophobia in society?

No they haven't, which is why such virtue signaling is irrelevant nonsense.

Initiatives such as the text message system, on the other hand, are enabling direct action, and should be welcomed. I'd like the number of reports using the system to be published, broken down by the nature of the complaints made. 

If you thought those individual actions were going to single-handedly eradicate racism and homophobia in society then the blame lies with your unrealistic expectations rather than the initiatives themselves. 

I didn't, I had (have) zero expectation of them. I think they are pointless virtue signalling initiatives that change nothing. Hotlines on the other hand...

golfaddick

JohnnyH2 said:

Would be good if we could hear it cleary in the covered end  upper once instead of hearing a mumbled Brian Cole in both halfs of every.game

This.

I've sat I'm the East (sorry, Alan Curbishley) stand for years & could always hear what was being said over the tannoy. This season I've sat in the Upper North and can hardly hear a word that is being said. Even RRR is quiet & indistinct.

Didnt hear any of the annoucements on Saturday so if  I was being racially or sexually abused I wouldn't have known where or how to report it. 

Hal1x

golfaddick said:

JohnnyH2 said:

Would be good if we could hear it cleary in the covered end  upper once instead of hearing a mumbled Brian Cole in both halfs of every.game

This.

I've sat I'm the East (sorry, Alan Curbishley) stand for years & could always hear what was being said over the tannoy. This season I've sat in the Upper North and can hardly hear a word that is being said. Even RRR is quiet & indistinct.

Didnt hear any of the annoucements on Saturday so if  I was being racially or sexually abused I wouldn't have known where or how to report it. 

It is on a bleeding big scoreboard!

AFKABartram

alburyaddick said:

Ok - I have a question - when the bloke behind me shouts out repeatedly that the opposition goalie is a fuck…ng cheating cu.t - is that abuse that I ought to be reporting ? 

No. Sit in the East or West Stand 

shirty5

Hal1x said:

golfaddick said:

JohnnyH2 said:

Would be good if we could hear it cleary in the covered end  upper once instead of hearing a mumbled Brian Cole in both halfs of every.game

This.

I've sat I'm the East (sorry, Alan Curbishley) stand for years & could always hear what was being said over the tannoy. This season I've sat in the Upper North and can hardly hear a word that is being said. Even RRR is quiet & indistinct.

Didnt hear any of the annoucements on Saturday so if  I was being racially or sexually abused I wouldn't have known where or how to report it. 

It is on a bleeding big scoreboard!

I watch the game in front of us, not the vidiprinter

colthe3rd

Southbank said:

Like you, I have not heard any racist abuse at Charlton for many decades. The announcements are virtue signalling and should be stopped. We are all treated as if we are naughty children. Is there anybody who comes to Charlton who does not know that smoking is not allowed? The announcements do not stop the crafty smokers.
I come to football partly at least to escape from the stresses of normal life, please let there be 90 minutes when we can just focus on football ( which is stressful enough).

I heard racist abuse towards one of our own players about 3 years ago. At the time I didn't feel comfortable saying anything to the bloke as there was a group of them and just me by myself. I considered going to speak to a steward but wondered if they'd see me doing it so bottled out. I did report it to the club the following day. Tbh it still bothers me I didn't do more at the time as I'm not sure how easy it would be identifying the person after so initiatives like the text number are a good idea imo.

alburyaddick

AFKABartram said:

alburyaddick said:

Ok - I have a question - when the bloke behind me shouts out repeatedly that the opposition goalie is a fuck…ng cheating cu.t - is that abuse that I ought to be reporting ? 

No. Sit in the East or West Stand 

I’ve been sitting in my East Stand seat for 25 years 

JohnnyH2

Hal1x said:

golfaddick said:

JohnnyH2 said:

Would be good if we could hear it cleary in the covered end  upper once instead of hearing a mumbled Brian Cole in both halfs of every.game

This.

I've sat I'm the East (sorry, Alan Curbishley) stand for years & could always hear what was being said over the tannoy. This season I've sat in the Upper North and can hardly hear a word that is being said. Even RRR is quiet & indistinct.

Didnt hear any of the annoucements on Saturday so if  I was being racially or sexually abused I wouldn't have known where or how to report it. 

It is on a bleeding big scoreboard!

Then why read it out, why have a tannoy system that is currently not working 

Uboat

SporadicAddick said:

se9addick said:

SporadicAddick said:

I'm surprised the message is needed. Surely players taking the knee and rainbow cornerflags, armbands and laces have eradicated racism and homophobia in society?

No they haven't, which is why such virtue signaling is irrelevant nonsense.

Initiatives such as the text message system, on the other hand, are enabling direct action, and should be welcomed. I'd like the number of reports using the system to be published, broken down by the nature of the complaints made. 

If you thought those individual actions were going to single-handedly eradicate racism and homophobia in society then the blame lies with your unrealistic expectations rather than the initiatives themselves. 

I didn't, I had (have) zero expectation of them. I think they are pointless virtue signalling initiatives that change nothing. Hotlines on the other hand...

They’re not hurting you and you don’t know what positive effect they might have on those they are intended to support, so I wouldn’t worry about it. 

LargeAddick

golfaddick said:

JohnnyH2 said:

Would be good if we could hear it cleary in the covered end  upper once instead of hearing a mumbled Brian Cole in both halfs of every.game

This.

I've sat I'm the East (sorry, Alan Curbishley) stand for years & could always hear what was being said over the tannoy. This season I've sat in the Upper North and can hardly hear a word that is being said. Even RRR is quiet & indistinct.

Didnt hear any of the annoucements on Saturday so if  I was being racially or sexually abused I wouldn't have known where or how to report it. 

The tannoy is pretty poor in the East Stand too.

AFKABartram

alburyaddick said:

AFKABartram said:

alburyaddick said:

Ok - I have a question - when the bloke behind me shouts out repeatedly that the opposition goalie is a fuck…ng cheating cu.t - is that abuse that I ought to be reporting ? 

No. Sit in the East or West Stand 

I’ve been sitting in my East Stand seat for 25 years 

Then I apologise for my language, but you’ve got to admit that goalie was a bit of a c…

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