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  • CharltonMadrid
    CharltonMadrid Posts: 5,091
    Hopefully Atlético Madrid can capitalise on this chaos again this season. Every year they give a proper challenge to Barcelona and Real Madrid is good for Spanish football.
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,069
    PSG seems such a waste, would love to see him in the PL for a year or two 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    edited August 2021
    CharltonMadrid said:
    Hopefully Atlético Madrid can capitalise on this chaos again this season. Every year they give a proper challenge to Barcelona and Real Madrid is good for Spanish football.
    I don't think we'll see Barcelona challenging for the title for a while as by the sounds of it this mess could take years to fix. Players like Umtiti, Coutinho and Pjanic on ridiculous wages they want rid of but can't, and others like Alba, Pique and Busquets coming to the end of their careers and will need replacing. 

    If La Liga don't budge on the salary cap then without Messi carrying them i can see them being like United post-Fergie and Arsenal post-Wenger, they could take a few years to sort things out.
  • ken_shabby
    ken_shabby Posts: 6,255
    That would be neat. Messi's wages have done bad things to the economy at FC Barcelona and I would enjoy watching him trying to drain the bank at City. What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
    I did note in passing that part of the problem at Barça is not just Messi's sky high wages, but a bunch of others (Griezmann being one) who they can't get off their books. 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    ken_shabby said:
    That would be neat. Messi's wages have done bad things to the economy at FC Barcelona and I would enjoy watching him trying to drain the bank at City. What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
    I did note in passing that part of the problem at Barça is not just Messi's sky high wages, but a bunch of others (Griezmann being one) who they can't get off their books. 
    I would imagine Messi leaving will actually have a detrimental effect on the economy at Barca!
  • ken_shabby
    ken_shabby Posts: 6,255
    Yeah, gonna sell a lot less shirts, and some overseas fans may drift away.
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,307
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    CharltonMadrid said:
    Hopefully Atlético Madrid can capitalise on this chaos again this season. Every year they give a proper challenge to Barcelona and Real Madrid is good for Spanish football.
    I don't think we'll see Barcelona challenging for the title for a while as by the sounds of it this mess could take years to fix. Players like Umtiti, Coutinho and Pjanic on ridiculous wages they want rid of but can't, and others like Alba, Pique and Busquets coming to the end of their careers and will need replacing. 

    If La Liga don't budge on the salary cap then without Messi carrying them i can see them being like United post-Fergie and Arsenal post-Wenger, they could take a few years to sort things out.
    Always have found it strange that the best clubs side of different era always contain a strong nucleus of home grown talents. The great Barca team had Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Busquets and Messi. Could you imagine how much they would have had to spend to sign all of those players.United had the Class of 92 etc.

    Barca have some good young players, but these will probably get picked up by the bigger sides. Imagine it will be a good 5/10 years before we see them at the top table of Europe again.
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,864
    If he has any courage....he will sign for Man United.

    It will severely piss off Ronaldo. Especially if they end up winning trophies.

    Take the number 7 shirt!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58114034

    Messi's exit has taken Barcelona's wage bill is down from 110% of their income to 95%.

    The wages Barca and Real have been paying in recent years were always going to end in financial disaster. 95% is still a crazy number, when you look at their squad
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    killerandflash said:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58114034

    Messi's exit has taken Barcelona's wage bill is down from 110% of their income to 95%.

    The wages Barca and Real have been paying in recent years were always going to end in financial disaster. 95% is still a crazy number, when you look at their squad
    The problem though is that's 95% of their current income. But that income is going to drop a lot post-Messi. Sponsors will pay less, shirt sales will drop, tourists won't flock to the Nou Camp to watch Griezmann and Martin Braithwaite, plus of course the team will be less successful meaning a drop off in ticket sales and CL money.

    In 19/20 they brought in €855m and apparently estimates predict Messi was responsible for around €150-200m euros of that income. So he brought in far far more than the €1m a week he was said to earn.

    So yes they will save 50m+ a year on his wages, but they'll lose 3-4 times that in income.
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  • SomervilleAddick
    SomervilleAddick Posts: 3,575
    If the first report is true, then he was earning 15% of their income. 

    If the second number is true, that would be about €127m - a bit more than €1m a week. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,944
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    CharltonMadrid said:
    Hopefully Atlético Madrid can capitalise on this chaos again this season. Every year they give a proper challenge to Barcelona and Real Madrid is good for Spanish football.
    I don't think we'll see Barcelona challenging for the title for a while as by the sounds of it this mess could take years to fix. Players like Umtiti, Coutinho and Pjanic on ridiculous wages they want rid of but can't, and others like Alba, Pique and Busquets coming to the end of their careers and will need replacing. 

    If La Liga don't budge on the salary cap then without Messi carrying them i can see them being like United post-Fergie and Arsenal post-Wenger, they could take a few years to sort things out.
    Always have found it strange that the best clubs side of different era always contain a strong nucleus of home grown talents. The great Barca team had Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Busquets and Messi. Could you imagine how much they would have had to spend to sign all of those players.United had the Class of 92 etc.

    Barca have some good young players, but these will probably get picked up by the bigger sides. Imagine it will be a good 5/10 years before we see them at the top table of Europe again.
    They need to keep the youngsters and slowly get rid of the likes of Griezmann, Coutinho etc when they can.

    Pedri, De Jong and Fati are very promising and I'd include Araujo, Garcia and Puig in those they need to build around.

    Much easier said than done of course!
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    edited August 2021
    Saying goodbye or have La Liga cracked?

  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,944
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Saying goodbye or have La Liga cracked?

    Next step in the pressure on La Liga attempt?  "I really want to stay, but those meanies at La Liga...."
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,692
    Yeah but would he really want to move to Manchester? I mean, it's a bit grim compared to Barcelona. Plus I hear Messi is quite into mock Tuder houses and his mate Makienok who lived in Petts wood when he was with us told him about the area. Though knowing our luck messi will probably sign for that Surrey lot as they have the same shirts as Barcelona.

  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    North Lower Neil said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Saying goodbye or have La Liga cracked?

    Next step in the pressure on La Liga attempt?  "I really want to stay, but those meanies at La Liga...."
    'I wanted to say a proper 'goodbye' to my friends and supporters here at Camp Nou, before flying off to start my first full week's training at Sparrows Lane...' 
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,864
    Chizz said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Saying goodbye or have La Liga cracked?

    Next step in the pressure on La Liga attempt?  "I really want to stay, but those meanies at La Liga...."
    'I wanted to say a proper 'goodbye' to my friends and supporters here at Camp Nou, before flying off to start my first full week's training at Sparrows Lane...' 

    Adkins: Lionel, put a gosh darn smile on your face, you're now playing for the greatest club in the world you absolute melt.
    New Eltham is what it's all about you absolute misery.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    Obviously not much use to anyone who can't understand Spanish but it'll be interesting to see how many viewers his goodbye press conference gets. Starts at 11am UK time and is being live streamed here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx503iOdD3I


  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    There's an English voice over translation if anyone's interested in watching
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    "It's a sad day to leave my beloved Barcelona, but I'm looking forward to the challenge of playing in League One with Accrington"
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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    For me he is the best in the World but Barca can't afford him. If he is so upset about it, he could take a wage cut.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,163
    Isn't this just sort of all bullshit now though? Messi is 34 years old and he's worth nearly £300 million. His most recent contract was worth £470 million across the four years. I can understand him leaving because he wants to get paid what he thinks he's worth, but the waterworks and the narrative that he's been forced out of Barcelona is a bit daft. If he really, really wanted to stay couldn't he just sign a deal for say £50,000 a week, take home £2.6m for the year and sit on the massive piles of money he already has for the rest of his life?
  • AdTheAddicK
    AdTheAddicK Posts: 3,379
    This man is the reason why I love football. He is the reason I'm a Charlton fan. Not growing up in a football family and watching Messi play inspired me to watch football.

    People saying he should play for free is just ludicrous and even if he did due the circumstances Barcelona find themselves in he still wouldn't be registered. 

    For me anyway it was hard watching Messi earlier, and has made me choke a little.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,973
    Crocodile tears.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,692
    He's still not sure where he is going. saw Leeds were 33/1 to sign him. 
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    Garrymanilow said:
    Isn't this just sort of all bullshit now though? Messi is 34 years old and he's worth nearly £300 million. His most recent contract was worth £470 million across the four years. I can understand him leaving because he wants to get paid what he thinks he's worth, but the waterworks and the narrative that he's been forced out of Barcelona is a bit daft. If he really, really wanted to stay couldn't he just sign a deal for say £50,000 a week, take home £2.6m for the year and sit on the massive piles of money he already has for the rest of his life?
    They can't sign him even for free as they are still above their wage limit
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited August 2021
    Maybe he could pay them to play. Sounds like he is a lot richer than them :)
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,944
    Garrymanilow said:
    Isn't this just sort of all bullshit now though? Messi is 34 years old and he's worth nearly £300 million. His most recent contract was worth £470 million across the four years. I can understand him leaving because he wants to get paid what he thinks he's worth, but the waterworks and the narrative that he's been forced out of Barcelona is a bit daft. If he really, really wanted to stay couldn't he just sign a deal for say £50,000 a week, take home £2.6m for the year and sit on the massive piles of money he already has for the rest of his life?
    And his own last contract is half the reason why they can't now afford to keep him.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    Garrymanilow said:
    Isn't this just sort of all bullshit now though? Messi is 34 years old and he's worth nearly £300 million. His most recent contract was worth £470 million across the four years. I can understand him leaving because he wants to get paid what he thinks he's worth, but the waterworks and the narrative that he's been forced out of Barcelona is a bit daft. If he really, really wanted to stay couldn't he just sign a deal for say £50,000 a week, take home £2.6m for the year and sit on the massive piles of money he already has for the rest of his life?
    I think you're missing the point. They are still a long long way over the salary cap limit. Messi could've said he'll sign for £1 but they can't register him.

    Also he's surely entitled to be a bit emotional, he's basically saying goodbye to a place he's spent 21 years at. Journalists, his team mates and his family were all there giving him a standing ovation.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    If ALL the Barca players agreed a 50% pay cut, they could keep Messi

    As if players would agree to that  :D

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