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Walker - Maguire - Stones
Trippier - Phillips - Rice - Shaw
Saka - Kane - Sterling
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England v Germany - Match Thread
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Whatever the result today, there just has to be a better way. We have a generation of incredible attacking talent and we've only got three of them on the pitch.5
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Bens. Chilwell and WhiteScoham said:
Who are the other two left out?ValleyGary said:No DCL on the bench1 -
Really can't call it today0
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We're the only team that hasn't conceded this tournament.
Good to show we're able to stay organised and kill a game off, but we haven't seen how we react to actually conceding a goal.2 -
People like that are so strange, more focused on being correct than enjoying themselves. I also find people peculiar who are more excited by club football than a game like this. This game is for everyone and unites people who may not normally socialise.MStuartPerm said:
When I say a lot it’s mainly people on a whats app group I play football with. They have been backing against England from the start and doing nothing but moaning and willing us to lose.se9addickhi said:MStuartPerm said:I don’t care who plays, the formation, or the performance as long as we win.Know a lot of so called Englishmen who want us to lose and would love to be able to shut them up.
I am no fan of Southgate, I could forgive the penalty miss but not the profiteering through the adverts after and the fact he’s Palace
At the end of the day he’s trying to get England to a major final and I feel we are better equipped under him than anyone since El Tel in 96 to do so.
What? A lot?I have bitten my tongue so far but if we lose and they start gloating I may be looking for a new team as I am not a good loser( not a good trait for a Charlton fan).
It's a massive occasion, cannot wait1 -
No great surprise to see Southgate going with a defensively looking line up. Let's just hope it works for us. At least with have some good options on the bench0
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No Grealish, no fun. Probably lots of sideways/backwards passing. Sighs...0
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Wait are we using full backs as LM & RM? That's what FotMob has us doing 3-4-3?0
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It's exactly the team I thought we would go with. At least we have options off the bench but I'm disappointed we've got 8 defensive players on the pitch, don't think it's necessary.0
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After the goal fest yesterday, I suspect both games today will be cagey
We DO have some attacking threat down the flanks though, if Trippier and Shaw push on and combine with Saka0 - Sponsored links:
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This. With the attacking talent available to Southgate that’s an unbelievably defensive lineup.cafcfan1990 said:It's exactly the team I thought we would go with. At least we have options off the bench but I'm disappointed we've got 8 defensive players on the pitch, don't think it's necessary.0 -
Bowyer tactics, defend them and there game... rather than playing our most attacking team and having a go. Concede first and its pretty much game over.0
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Let’s hope he’s got it right. I’m okay with the back 3 but think the wing backs are too defensive. Id have gone with James on the right and Saka on the left. Then you can get another attacking player into that front three.0
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Didn't need to though did heShootersHillGuru said:
Didn’t find a way to win that one though did he.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
LOL. Come on, that's a ridiculous exaggeration.ShootersHillGuru said:
I take it you didn’t watch the Scotland game. We were paralysed by fear. If England set up not to lose which seems to be Southgates MO then the Germans will find it easy.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:l think we have a talented bunch who should feel confident that they have enough about them to win this game and progress.
I'd like to think they are not affected by any historic legacy of fear, or "beaten before we kick a ball" mentality that infests some older English football fans.
They are not playing history, they are playing in this game in the here and now.
That said, the German's seem to have a knack of finding a way to win, even when not playing particularly well or when not blessed with an array of star talent.
It is going to be tough, but I hope the players can step up to the plate and as Gareth said, make their own history.
Just please, don't go to penalties
Granted I will certainly be hoping for more from our forward players in this game.
With Scotland I think the performances are always a little skewed by it being their cup final.
Whilst we haven't been free flowing, we have shown some neat play in patches and we have players that can hurt the opposition.
Just maybe Gareth has found a way to win games, that doesn't expose our defenders.
We'll see I guess.0 -
I think our approach today will be too cautious but I hope I'm wrong0
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Southgate is gripped with fear. He has no tactical nous and doesn’t know how to set up in any way other than to hold on to what you’ve got.charlton_hero said:I think our approach today will be too cautious but I hope I'm wrong0 -
Ah so in defence we go 5-2-3 or are we expecting 5-4-1 in defence?Scoham said:
Wing backs to make a back 5 when defending.Dazzler21 said:Wait are we using full backs as LM & RM? That's what FotMob has us doing 3-4-3?Pickford
Walker - Maguire - Stones
Trippier - Phillips - Rice - Shaw
Saka - Kane - Sterling
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Can the BBC please destroy the tapes of 1996?2
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Southgate…. Probably the most boring manager ever.0
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IF it were to win us the tournament, would you care?Hartleypete said:Southgate…. Probably the most boring manager ever.
Like with Charlton, I don't watch for exciting football I watch in the hope that we win, however we win. It's the hope... as they say.1 -
England 3-2 Germany 2, kane with a brace sterling with one0
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God its painful every time seeing Gazza's toe so close to winning it.LawrieAbrahams said:Can the BBC please destroy the tapes of 1996?
And that German who scored the winning pen, puffing his chest with hands on his hips...its etched in my brain and I hate it.0 -
I'm fine with Trippier, it's the two defensive midfielders ahead of 3 centre backs that is overkill.Callumcafc said:I know everyone wants to attack attack attack but that means nothing if we end up losing 4-2 a la Portugal.
We have to be careful of Gosens bombing down that left flank. If Trippier gets too far forward and is caught out of position, they will ping balls behind him to Gosens all day long. Portugal played a back four against Germany and got absolutely ran over by the German overload at the back post every single time.
In fact I’m glad Trippier is on the pitch today, probably the most solid full back we’ve got while also offering a set piece delivery threat. I feel confident about him handling that threat well.
I don't think having say Mount/Foden/Grealish in for one of Rice or Phillips would be "attack, attack, attack", it would.just help us link the defence & attack and play between the lines more than I think we'll now be able to do.
I expect to see a lot of Kane dropping deep to try and get the ball now too.0 -
Fallout from this will be huge if we lose without any of the 'stars' on the pitch.0 -
Agree I would definitely settle for a boring 1-0 win todayDazzler21 said:
IF it were to win us the tournament, would you care?Hartleypete said:Southgate…. Probably the most boring manager ever.
Like with Charlton, I don't watch for exciting football I watch in the hope that we win, however we win. It's the hope... as they say.2 -
Sad to see some of the best attacking players in Europe on the bench, but that's Southgate all over. However...
To put things into perspective, I don't care how boring the game is and who plays and how they play, as long as we win.
Come on England!2 -
And score often.Macronate said:My concern is if we concede first.
I just worry that we won't have the nous to battle back.
Answer = score first.0 -
Definitely 5-2-3 over 5-4-1 but the 5 is never going to be that flat so it's almost always 3-4-3 I would thinkDazzler21 said:
Ah so in defence we go 5-2-3 or are we expecting 5-4-1 in defence?Scoham said:
Wing backs to make a back 5 when defending.Dazzler21 said:Wait are we using full backs as LM & RM? That's what FotMob has us doing 3-4-3?Pickford
Walker - Maguire - Stones
Trippier - Phillips - Rice - Shaw
Saka - Kane - Sterling2 -
Five at the back is shrewd but hard to see the need for Rice and Phillips.
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