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  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,186
    edited June 2021
    Want same team as vs czech republic but change phillips for hendo (at least for a half) and we will tick. 

    Phillips to me always looks 2 yards too short at this level and the german central midfield could exploit that. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    edited June 2021
    Saka was backed in to score on betfair so expect him to start 

  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,946
    Addick Addict said:
    So, if social media is to be believed (and I haven't been through all of this thread to check), Southgate's gone:

    Pickford
    Trippier Walker Maguire Stones Shaw
    Rice Phillips
    Sterling Kane Foden
    Go for 5 at the back if he must, but drop one of the two DMs rather than have essentially a back 7.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300

  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    edited June 2021
    Saka gets the nod.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Rice and Phillips !!!! 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300

  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,346
    Definitely 3 at the back then.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,809
    will take that - decent options on the bench which need to be used early if things aren't going well - not waiting until 10 mins to go
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,973
    No DCL on the bench 
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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    ValleyGary said:
    No DCL on the bench 
    Cant see Kane being subbed in case it goes to penalties

    Would Calvert-Lewin replace anyone else in that team, if we stuck with one Striker
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446



    Werner has a point to prove against England. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,346
    With 8 defensive players on the pitch, this gameplan only works if we don't concede first. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,759
    Thinking 3-4-3 myself. I’d be surprised if Saka played centrally but perhaps Southgate could try to go 3v2 on the German midfield.

    Pickford

    Walker Stones Maguire

    Trippier Rice Phillips Shaw

    Saka Kane Sterling
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    Southgate will get absolutely hammered if we go out with a whimper after fielding possibly the most defensive first XI I've ever seen from an England team. 

    This is either all or nothing from him. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,759
    Goretzka will be a bigger threat in midfield. Very mobile compared to Kroos/Gundogan. Rice and Phillips will need to be on their game against him.
  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED Posts: 3,474
    SELR_addicks said:
    Southgate will get absolutely hammered if we go out with a whimper after fielding possibly the most defensive first XI I've ever seen from an England team. 

    This is either all or nothing from him. 
    He will 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,946
    Callumcafc said:
    Thinking 3-4-3 myself. I’d be surprised if Saka played centrally but perhaps Southgate could try to go 3v2 on the German midfield.

    Pickford

    Walker Stones Maguire

    Trippier Rice Phillips Shaw

    Saka Kane Sterling
    Worry it'll be more 532 (can see Sterling further up than Saka), but the big concern is who is going to link the defence and attack.  Phillips?  Big ask.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,218

  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,905
    It depends if he has given Shaw and Walker instructions to bomb on like they can. If we sit back and try to let the Germans have the front foot we lose. This is a massive day Southgate will either go down as a tactical genius or a bottle job 
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  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,809
    ValleyGary said:
    No DCL on the bench 
    can't understand him not at least being on the bench, better option than Rashford
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    AndyG said:
    It depends if he has given Shaw and Walker instructions to bomb on like they can. If we sit back and try to let the Germans have the front foot we lose. This is a massive day Southgate will either go down as a tactical genius or a bottle job 
    He wont go down as a tactical genius even if we win - Too many will just claim he got lucky
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,346
    Kane has to show up today. Especially with that lineup. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,374
    Scoham said:
    Southgate is cautious so I wouldn’t be surprised to see 5-3-2/3-5-2 with Kane and Sterling up front.
    Close enough.

    Southgate thinks like a Charlton manager, makes it easy to predict. Cautious like Curbs and Powell. Hopefully he’s successful like they were...
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,374
    ValleyGary said:
    No DCL on the bench 
    Who are the other two left out?
  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED Posts: 3,474
    AndyG said:
    It depends if he has given Shaw and Walker instructions to bomb on like they can. If we sit back and try to let the Germans have the front foot we lose. This is a massive day Southgate will either go down as a tactical genius or a bottle job 
    Trippier and Saka could have some Joy down the right
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    Scoham said:
    ValleyGary said:
    No DCL on the bench 
    Who are the other two left out?
    Chilwell is one of them
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,809
    looking at the bench I reckon they'd potentially beat the starting XI
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,759
    edited June 2021
    I know everyone wants to attack attack attack but that means nothing if we end up losing 4-2 a la Portugal.

    We have to be careful of Gosens bombing down that left flank. If Trippier gets too far forward and is caught out of position, they will ping balls behind him to Gosens all day long. Portugal played a back four against Germany and got absolutely ran over by the German overload at the back post every single time.

    In fact I’m glad Trippier is on the pitch today, probably the most solid full back we’ve got while also offering a set piece delivery threat. I feel confident about him handling that threat well.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    ForeverAddickted said:
    AndyG said:
    It depends if he has given Shaw and Walker instructions to bomb on like they can. If we sit back and try to let the Germans have the front foot we lose. This is a massive day Southgate will either go down as a tactical genius or a bottle job 
    He wont go down as a tactical genius even if we win - Too many will just claim he got lucky
    I think the public at large would see him as a genius if we win. Beating Germany and leading us into the easiest side of the draw with only Denmark, Czechs and AN other as rivals would be very appealing. 

    Losing after starting this XI? There's no excuses. 

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