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Post-match Thread: Accrington Stanley v Charlton Athletic| Sat 1 May 2021| 3pm
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Awful performance today . Aneke should have started as he is our main goal threat .
Hope Gunter never plays for us again .6 -
we don't even know if Aneke would even want to stay.0
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The blackpool home game was far worse than this2
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So. If we beat Lincoln on Tuesday, then Portsmouth and Oxford lose their final games and we beat Hull, we're in the playoffs. Simple.3
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Oh well we will go again tomorrow , the sun will still be shining and the birds will be singing!1
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Taking this game in isolation, we didn't look good enough to win, and we don't look good enough to be promoted either.However...With the pandemic and everything else, this is the first season that I've seen every game...watching all of them means that you get a different perspective to being a regular at home only fixtures. Possibly slightly more critical.What I don't understand is the mismatch between home and away form. The former really poor, the latter excellent. Had our home form been the same as our away form we'd be in 2nd place with about 84 points. Automatic promotion. If our home form had just been average, we'd have 78 points. Definite play-offs.The hapless mid season spell, with Bowyer making 4-5 starting changes every game as well as "losing" some of the players, seems to have cost us about 10 points.4
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Seasons over after todays result, we wont beat Lincoln or Hull and Pompey will beat Accrington, and Oxford will win. Yeah i know keep the faith and all that, i cant recall a top two going up that have been so weak, shows how bad the rest of the league is.0
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A terrible performance, but one where the management and coaches have to take as much of the blame as the players, as they clearly decided to counter a battling "hoofball" side by playing in a similar way, something which doesn't suit us. We were doing it from the start of the game.
Yes you have to counter the opposition, but not at the expense of your own game. Instead we were out footballed on Tuesday, and out hoofballed today.
Very poor defending by Gunter for their goal, he gives nothing going forward - especially he was playing as a wingback today - and has been nothing special defensively, for a player with his pedigree. I thought Pearce was the best of our 3 centre backs today BUT he still had to have a Pearce grappling moment, which was inches away from being a penalty.
Pleased for Morgan, who while not the finished article, does have quality on the ball. Bizarre that he and Shinnie didn't come on until added time.
Stockley's lack of mobility concerns me, I think he makes us a bit one dimensional, when compared to the movement Chuks gives in addition to the strength and aerial threat both offer.9 - Sponsored links:
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Agree with all this bar one caveat, 5 of those 10 were before Adkins came in so it’s only a 5 game unbeaten run under his stewardship.Henry Irving said:Knives will be out for Adkins now, for a few at least, and yes he's not got everything right but he gave us a sniff of the play-offs and personally I think he's done well.
This squad is limited, too many not fit enough to play 90 mins (and some of our better players like Chuks and Conor) or coming back from injuries (Innis, Famewo), not enough quality or consistency in midfield (we rely too much on JFC).
But before anyone wants to bury Nigel, we did go ten unbeaten and won at Sunderland.
The home form has killed us under both managers but the underlying problem was ESI and Duchatelet with some added salary cap crap on top.
It takes time to recover from that and, despite being the optimist that I am, that recovery will now have to resume next season in league one IMHO.
Now, where is that season ticket application form?Whoever was in charge it’s been quite clear for a long time that this squad doesn’t have the minerals to compete within the top 6 of the third division.Like you say, can’t wait to sign up for a season ticket next season and get back to The Valley.2 -
Well I wouldn’t have been that disappointed if we had lost. Now we still have hope and it goes onto Tuesday.
I’ve said it before, this squad is technically capable of walking this league. However, given their maturity, and experience, and putting aside their technical ability. Their decision making, and spacial awareness has, to a man, been woeful this season. From flowing movement going forward and a misplaced final ball behind, to too far in front, or to the only space a Charlton man isn’t, happened way too often. Short, wrong, or misplaced passes breaking down moves across the park, and in defence, leading to a goal, happened too often. Backwards and sideways passing, and not finding space, or the right pass, happened too often.And the same constants over, and over again. No one in space outside the box for free kicks and corners to attack the knock downs.
JFC taking all the dead ball situations with not enough variety.No one playing off Stockley, or Chucks. Basic stuff!Not enough creativity, quality, composure, and general good play to justify a play off place in my opinion. Ironically, two creative players we did have, and I believe could have done a decent job, were deemed surplus to requirements.There are a couple that can be improved, but the majority have shown their best days are behind them. Probably why they were available in the first place. A good clear out is needed, and a plan put in place and players to fit that plan.
I know we had our hands tied behind our backs early on, and a mish mash of players were brought in, but most of the season was lost trying to find a system, and a strategy to utilise the players, resulting in weird team selections and tactics, and no consistency.No excuse for next season, and I believe the structure is now in place to ensure we win this league.
But for now its a case of missed opportunity. On the positive side, we still have a club, we’ll be back in the ground next season, and hopefully we can enjoy next season properly.5 -
Of course Nigel can only be properly judged when he has had time to build a side playing his style of football, but that doesn't mean that his decisions can't be questioned. No manager, whatever the circumstances, gets a completely free pass!Henry Irving said:Knives will be out for Adkins now, for a few at least, and yes he's not got everything right but he gave us a sniff of the play-offs and personally I think he's done well.
This squad is limited, too many not fit enough to play 90 mins (and some of our better players like Chuks and Conor) or coming back from injuries (Innis, Famewo), not enough quality or consistency in midfield (we rely too much on JFC).
But before anyone wants to bury Nigel, we did go ten unbeaten and won at Sunderland.
The home form has killed us under both managers but the underlying problem was ESI and Duchatelet with some added salary cap crap on top.
It takes time to recover from that and, despite being the optimist that I am, that recovery will now have to resume next season in league one IMHO.
Now, where is that season ticket application form?
That's 2 poor performances in a row, both against clubs with a fraction of the resources we have, even after the ESI/Roland disaster, and who play completely different styles of football.
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Glad I missed this one. In the unlikely event we win the next 2 games I still wouldn't fancy us in the playoffs. We're just not good enough this season.
Big rebuild in the summer with an ambitious owner is what we should all be looking forward to.0 -
Have any of our donkeys posted one of those "onwards" "we go again" twatter posts yet?
Oh thank fuck for small mercies they are boycotting sochall meedya!6 -
If we can beat Lincoln and Hull on the trot, we're probably good enough for the playoffsBigRedEvil said:Glad I missed this one. In the unlikely event we win the next 2 games I still wouldn't fancy us in the playoffs. We're just not good enough this season.
Big rebuild in the summer with an ambitious owner is what we should all be looking forward to.2 -
Bang average squad thrown together, and it shows. Anyone of our players ‘could’ be a lot better if they were playing with better players and I sincerely hope so as some of them will still be here next season.
We need a minimum of five young upwardly mobile Championship quality players to be competitive next season, together with one or two youth players pushing to get in the side.
Surprised that we have been in the mix to be honest.0 -
Isn't there a Twitter ban? Couldn't have picked a better weekend for it.soapy_jones said:Have any of our donkeys posted one of those "onwards" "we go again" twatter posts yet?
Oh thank fuck for small mercies they are boycotting sochall meedya!1 - Sponsored links:
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At least we can begin the rebuilding immediately the season ends, rather than waiting three weeks when we lose the play off final to Sunderland.0
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Trying to rack my brain but in all my time following the club I can’t remember a game where we have been so hoofy and poor quality. Anyone?2
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Honestly the worst game of football I've ever seen and somehow we were the worst of the two teams by a long long way. Outfought, outpassed, outskilled. Again we didn't even deserve the point. Complete clear out needed, again. Just a shame it will be building to another year in this league.0
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I can, in a medium please.ricky_otto said:We are painful to watch. Hopefully Adkins clears these poor excuses for footballers out and gets players in that are fit to wear the shirt.2 -
Good final paragraph. We'll see what Sandgaard is made of in the summer transfer market.Exiled_Addick said:I’ve never believed in this lot. We have 3 or 4 good players but not an especially strong team. We lack too many of the fundamentals required to be real promotion contenders. Bowyer knew this and was pilloried for saying it, but he spoke truth and it’s showing now.It’s not over, Pompey may well drop the points we need them to, but I see the chances of us beating both Lincoln and Hull, even if they are dead rubbers for them, with our utterly pitiful home form, at <15%.
I said last week, but much as I dread the thought of watching at least another 46 games of league one dross, I don’t think missing out on promotion would be the worst thing. This team is miles and miles away from being ready to step up to championship. Would need a complete turnover of almost the whole squad to turn it into a team that could stay up in the championship. Easier said than done, of course, but better to do a partial rebuild in the summer, hopefully get promoted, and then only need another partial rebuild for the championship. More likely to be able to sustain the success then.
I’m disappointed by it all because of course I wanted to get promoted, but I’ve never expected it this season - the turmoil was too much last summer plus the the whole wage cap issue. The cards have just beeen stacked against us.
This summer will be a big test of Sandgaard’s spending power and the scouting system. The foundation is there for us this time - we should be setup to have a proper tilt at it next season.0 -
In successive games we have failed to beat Crewe who outplayed us and Accrington who out muscled us. Whatever formation plays they are not good enough to beat mediocre league 1 teams.
So there must be a clearout and I suggest as follows
Keep definitely Amos.Maynard Brewer,Iniss,Morgan Gilbey(who I think will improve)and DJ
Keep possibly Shinnie,Washington and JFC
All the rest should go and if they on contracts should be paid off.
The squad is too old and recruitment should mirror Chris Powell's first close season, hungry ,young,quick lower division players. Big test for Gallen and Adkins but this season has shown what is needed, there are some good players out there,we need to get them1 -
Tortured is obviously going too far but it's another argument for me to add for why 10 quid a match is overpriced. The quality of camera work is generally poor and the picture quality is poor compared to normal TV. Not worth more than 3-5 quid.Leuth said:Whoever is in charge of replays needs to be tortured0 -
Normally a point today would be a excellent result .. given the way they play the pitch conditions and the very tough winds ... it was difficult to play football which stopped us playing our own game .. but saying that as a defensive unit we were excellent and restricted them .. much better then we did at the valley ... the system worked but NA has to work with what he got and we don’t have wingbacks so it was always going to be tough for players playing in wrong positions
but again we were let down by another poor decision by a very poor ref .. clear foul on Pratley leading to their goal like Peterbro winner when another poor decision cost us there ...
but we still have a sniff against two teams who have nothing to play for now ... like to see a couple of under 23 on the bench next two games .
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Season done and sadly ended with a whimper, in game and on field management completely non existent, there was no captain out there today!However, after getting out from Crooks, ESI and Douchbag in combo, then having to buy rejects and dross, under a salary cap from hell, guess we shouldn’t moan.
So Happy days, we have a good start for next season, hopefully Mr Gallen, Roddy and Adkins have made notes of who is worth acquiring, ASFC Centre Backs are worth a look.Curbs once said “it takes three years to biuld a squad” to have gone up this season would have been a huge bonus.7 -
The only plus from today was I cashed this out before we equalised.0
